Does a championship solidfy HOF careers for The Big Three?

brewcrew08 · Post #1 » by **brewcrew08** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:51 pm

Garnett is in for sure, Pierce and Allen seem likely. Would a championship get all three in the hall of fame. Pierce and Allen have been underrated all through out there career, but i think all three could end up being in the top 100 players in the NBA of all time (I know this list is not real) or maybe the top 50? :clap:

tombattor · Post #2 » by **tombattor** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:53 pm

Yeah, a championship will help, but 2 will help more.

s1ickd · Post #3 » by **s1ickd** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 4:05 pm

they have career averages of over 20ppg and have been all stars over 5 times. hell, reggie miller was considered and ray allen is a lot better than he was.

Bad-Thoma · Post #4 » by **Bad-Thoma** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 4:19 pm

I'd say a definite yes, though they all had a shot anyways.

kmgarnett21 · Post #5 » by **kmgarnett21** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 4:32 pm

lets hope we can close this series out in 5 games, THEN start this kind of talk.

but to the topic, KG was already a 1st ballot HOFer. PP & ray were probably already in too, but a title will def solidify their spot

brewcrew08 · Post #6 » by **brewcrew08** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 4:37 pm

I said IF they win it, i hope they can do it in LA

DJToLarry · Post #7 » by **DJToLarry** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 4:41 pm

They are all in regardless of a ring in my opinion

GuyClinch · Post #8 » by **GuyClinch** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 5:47 pm

Assuming they win yes (forget about the statistic people - remember the sox) though KG would be in anyway.

Pete

Fencer reregistered · Post #9 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 6:51 pm

Yes.

Pierce and Allen go from possibles to highly probables, especially Pierce.

Although if DJ's not in there, anybody can get left out ...

blaha112 · Post #10 » by **blaha112** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 7:23 pm

s1ickd wrote:they have career averages of over 20ppg and have been all stars over 5 times. hell, reggie miller was considered and ray allen is a lot better than he was.

your joking right... reggie miller is the greatest 3 point shooter of all time. watch some old knick pacer playoff games. my personal favorite is the one where the pacers are down by 6 points with 18.7 seconds left. watch the magic on youtube...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrlAj-wXTuE

ray has looked great this finals and i have been rooting for the C's because i hate the lakers. but the idea of ray allen being better than miller is a joke!

nyhuskyfan · Post #11 » by **nyhuskyfan** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 8:16 pm

blaha112 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

ray has looked great this finals and i have been rooting for the C's because i hate the lakers. but the idea of ray allen being better than miller is a joke!

It's not a joke. If Ray stays healthy, he'll probably break Reggie's three-point records. As of now, he's second 480 short (he made 180 this year, so he needs three more similar seasons to break it, plus Reggie got to play three seasons in his prime with a shorter line from 1994-97, enabling to add roughly 100 to his career total). Their career three-point percentages are almost identical (both are a hair under 40 percent), but Ray has averaged more points, rebounds, and assists throughout his career (21.1, 4.5, 3.9 for Ray, 18.2, 3.0, 3.0 for Reggie - those career averages will end up being closer out if Ray plays four or five more years like Reggie did, since his numbers will decline). Reggie's best season scoring was 24.6 ppg, his second best was 22.6. Ray's best was 26.4 and his second best was 25.1. Reggie made five all-star teams. Ray has made eight. Reggie made it to one NBA finals and lost. Ray has made it to one NBA finals and we'll see if he wins or loses.

Reggie had that amazing performance in the playoff comeback against the Knicks, which everyone remembers. Ray had a personal 18-0 run in Game Six of the Eastern Conference finals against Philly - scoring 18 straight Milwaukee points without the Sixers scoring any. Ray has a career playoff scoring average of 21.0, Reggie is 20.6.

They also both have gold medals. Reggie was a three-time third-team All-NBA selection. Ray made the second team once (with the Sonics) and the third team once (with the Bucks).

You can argue for Reggie (played on better teams, had more playoff appearances and more signature shots/moments in the playoffs), but I fail to see where the joke comes from.

MyInsatiableOne · Post #12 » by **MyInsatiableOne** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 8:21 pm

Ray is a better rebounder and defender than Reggie, and not a dirty SOB like Reggie was...

brewcrew08 · Post #13 » by **brewcrew08** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 8:23 pm

nyhuskyfan wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

It's not a joke. If Ray stays healthy, he'll probably break Reggie's three-point records. As of now, he's second. Their career three-point percentages are almost identical (right about 40), but Ray has averaged more points, rebounds, and assists throughout his career (21.1, 4.5, 3.9 for Ray, 18.2, 3.0, 3.0 for Reggie - those career averages will end up being closer out if Ray plays four or five more years like Reggie did, since his numbers will decline). Reggie's best season scoring was 24.6 ppg, his second best was 22.6. Ray's best was 26.4 and his second best was 25.1. Reggie made five all-star teams. Ray has made eight. Reggie made it to one NBA finals and lost. Ray has made it to one NBA finals and we'll see if he wins or loses.

Reggie had that amazing performance in the playoff comeback against the Knicks, which everyone remembers. Ray had a personal 18-0 run in Game Six of the Eastern Conference finals against Philly - scoring 18 straight Milwaukee points without the Sixers scoring any. Ray has a career playoff scoring average of 21.0, Reggie is 20.6.

They also both have gold medals. Reggie was a three-time third-team All-NBA selection. Ray made the second team once (with the Sonics) and the third team once (with the Bucks).

You can argue for Reggie (played on better teams, had more playoff appearances and more signature shots/moments in the playoffs), but I fail to see where the joke comes from.

absolutely agree, this is the first year ray, kevin, and pierce have not had to carry the whole load, reggie has always had a good supporting cast but these 3 have been on bad teams

ray>reggie

notque · Post #14 » by **notque** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 8:58 pm

s1ickd wrote:they have career averages of over 20ppg and have been all stars over 5 times. hell, reggie miller was considered and ray allen is a lot better than he was.

Did you ever see Reggie play? You're crazy.

Bucky O'Hare · Post #15 » by **Bucky O'Hare** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 9:05 pm

Ray Allen vs Mitch Richmond is a more valid comparison.

Yes, both may have technically had better stats than Reggie, but it was Reggie's leadership and big game play that easily rises him above the other two career losers. Ray Allen is also a 44.6% career shooter, rather lousy for a guy who's biggest attribute is his scoring.

By the way, did you know that if your translate the name Ray Allen into Iroquois it means "Big Stats, Little Wins"? I've always found that interesting.

notque · Post #16 » by **notque** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 9:06 pm

Ray Allen vs. Mitch Richmond is a better comparison.

And Dale Ellis vs. Reggie Miller seems like a better comparison.

notque · Post #17 » by **notque** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 9:08 pm

Honestly, I'd argue Dale Ellis was better then Ray Allen. And Ray Allen is one of my favorite players in the league.

This is just an incredibly subjective argument, and I don't see how you can compare a guy that was in the playoffs consistently in big moments, and someone that wasn't.

It just isn't comparable, even if it's not Ray's fault.

GreenGrizz · Post #18 » by **GreenGrizz** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 9:36 pm

Lebron has a trophy that belongs to Ray Allen

GreenGrizz · Post #19 » by **GreenGrizz** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 9:41 pm

100% for all three. I won't be very old to see them in the HOF.

nyhuskyfan · Post #20 » by **nyhuskyfan** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 10:32 pm

Bucky O'Hare wrote:Ray Allen vs Mitch Richmond is a more valid comparison.

Yes, both may have technically had better stats than Reggie, but it was Reggie's leadership and big game play that easily rises him above the other two career losers. Ray Allen is also a 44.6% career shooter, rather lousy for a guy who's biggest attribute is his scoring.

By the way, did you know that if your translate the name Ray Allen into Iroquois it means "Big Stats, Little Wins"? I've always found that interesting.

Ask Sacramento fans what they think about Ray's playoff ability. He obliterated them in 2005 with Seattle. Youtube it. Overall in 2005 (11 games), he averaged 26.5 points on 48 percent shooting in the playoffs (even though he only played 13 minutes in game one against the Spurs due to injury). Who knows how far he could have taken them if Rashard Lewis and Radmanovic weren't both injured early in the Spurs series and didn't play in Games 3-6.

In 2001, he averaged 25.1 points on 48 percent shooting in the playoffs (18 games). He almost single-handedly led the Bucks to the finals (38 in Game 2 win, 41 in Game 6 win - Bucks were down seven in the third quarter of Game 7 when he injured his knee in a collision with Eric Snow and still finished with 25).

Miller played on better teams, so he's had more chances for deep playoff runs, but he only made the finals once and lost 4-2. Ray has been to the playoffs fewer times, but has performed comparably well when he's been there.