Welcome To The New Forum

[MJG]

My issues:

+ Quote box needs to be fixed. This has been mentioned by everyone already, so I won't harp on it.

+ Where's the quick reply box? It's something that I could survive without, but I'd really like to know why this convenience was lost if it's not coming back.

+ Several technical issues, including threads missing and people getting their posts cut off (not going by complaints on the Wizard board; I haven't experience this personally).

I believe the above three will all be fixed easily enough. Now, onto the things that I consider issues that likely won't be changed, as they are probably considered "features" of the new version:

+ I absolutely, positively hate the slide box that replaced the wiretap headlines on top of the page. It's at least twice the size of the old box, and is constantly flashing, rather than nice simple plain text that was there before. If it's not something that the site is going to give me the option to hide or disable, then I'll probably be writing a Greasemonkey script to do it myself.

+ The whole "New posts have been made, you may want to review your post" thing. Seriously, it may happen like once a month where I want to revise my post in light of something else that was posted after I started typing mine up, and I have no problem using the Edit button when that's the case. Compare that to when I don't want to change my post based on what others have post since I started typing, an occurrence that happens every single day. Saving me from having to edit my post once a month by forcing me to click Submit twice pretty much every single day? Terrible trade-off.

+ On a design note, the whole thing feels a lot more cluttered than before. There's a blue box around everything, the icons are bigger, the font size on the forums page is larger. The first thing I thought when I opened up the site was "Where in the world is all the white space?". The funny thing is, there probably isn't all that much less than before. It's just that the new design makes it feel like there is. The site went from having a clean, distinct, simple style to looking like any other random phpBB forum on the net. I'm sure I'll get used to it in time, but it's hard to imagine ever actually liking this design like I did the last one.

[TKF]

I liked the old layout. I wake up this morning and I thought something was wrong with my computer.. LOL.. anyway, lets hope these new changes are for the better..

[evilRyu]

On Safari links like viewforum.php?f=72 work fine. On Firefox, they lose my login if I don't also have the "&sid=<insert long crap here>" part of the url. That means on Firefox I can't follow any simple links to forums or threads and remain logged in. I can't bookmark a link to the Warriors forum that will work for me across logins.

As things stand, things are really too broken to be usable for me.

Hmmm..... I use Firefox religiously, and the link worked fine for me without the session id (sid). Maybe you need to check the "keep me logged in" box when you login?

I do check it. But it doesn't stay checked. Looking at cookies in Firefox and Safari, I appear to not be getting all of the realgm cookies I need under Firefox.

Well I noticed a new "Delete all board cookies" link at the bottom of the page.. maybe try that, do'nt know if that will fix any of your problems though...

[senfono]

[Pats19andO]

Hate it

[candy for lunch]

1. Is there any way to change the number of posts per page? 10 posts/page is downright stupid and it makes a lot more sense to be able to pick larger numbers. I prefer 40, but whatever.

2. All the blues are too similar, making everything look cramped.

3. The RealGM headlines was a lot better than the slides. If it stays I'll make a greasemonkey script to get rid of it.

4. Message body width shouldn't be fixed. It's 2008, we all have decent monitors and there's no reason why the width stays fixed, resulting in half the browser window being filled up with absolutely nothing.

[evilRyu]

1. Is there any way to change the number of posts per page? 10 posts/page is downright stupid and it makes a lot more sense to be able to pick larger numbers. I prefer 40, but whatever.

2. All the blues are too similar, making everything look cramped.

3. The RealGM headlines was a lot better than the slides. If it stays I'll make a greasemonkey script to get rid of it.

4. Message body width shouldn't be fixed. It's 2008, we all have decent monitors and there's no reason why the width stays fixed, resulting in half the browser window being filled up with absolutely nothing.

[HCYanks]

Change? CHANGE? But change confuses the children! Won't somebody PLEEEASE think of the children!

Also, it's pretty safe to assume stuff like quick reply will be back soon... their big task for the past day or so was getting the new boards up and running. So quick reply just isn't coded in yet. So you'll have to click an extra button to pad your post count for the time being.

[Comet]

This is odd.

[Shishnizzle]

Are the signature and avatar limits still the same?

[doclinkin]

Very slow, that's bad enough, but the Wiz board has lost a number of threads that had useful reference information, or well-loved institutions, etc. (The Visitors/links thread, Politics thread, Left-Field analysis thread, Wizboard Hall of Fame, Flamewar/Trolls thread, the Poetry Slam thread).

Some part of why our board has succeeded has been a long institutional memory, pooling intelligence, long running conversations on a particular topic. The last major board change (killing all threads over 100 pages) we were promised we'd have access to an archive of past posts. Over a year now and we're still waiting, and now any thread with a depth of discussion has been disintegrated and vaporized into the ether.

So again we skew the dialogue towards short-term memory, loud pronouncements quickly forgotten, lack of 'investment' in the community. The only institutional reward for longstanding participation becomes the total post count. Quantity, not quality.

It's a real loss. I'm disappointed. I understand it must take a ton of work to keep things up and running, to support them, to predict and deflect crashes, to upgrade as traffic demands-- but from the user perspective it's important to let you know what the effect of your efforts are, and in this case the results are: a less enjoyable product/ experience.

Not to get too hi-falutlin'-- just letting you know why a user like me, say, participates in the first place. Ultimately many of the better, smarter, busier participants in the discussion will lose interest and find better things to do with their time, since without History there's less emotional/intellectual investment. Novelty wears off, nostalgia builds loyalty. That's how, in sports, teams build lifetime diehards and a fanbase. Without memorabilia / tape/ film/ and a Hall of fame, replay of classic plays, additions to the 'Storied History' to be reflected on and enshrined -- it becomes clear you're just watching a bunch of genetic freaks running around in stupid clothing performing improbable but ultimately pointless acrobatics-- If we're honest about it. Nobody remembers the street mime they passed yesterday, even if it really looked like he was trapped in that invisible box.

Or something like that. Just saying. If you reduce the ego-investment, then wordy relatively bright bastids like myself start to care less and waste less time in the discourse and palaver. Which I read as a loss. That's what drew me to the board in the first place, and why I stuck around long enough to actually give a crap.

There have been some really great discussions on these boards. I count their disappearance as a real loss in my life, and you don't know me from Joe Jagoff, I understand, but I'm saying, it's not just me, seems like it matters.

Never one to give a complaint without a solution: we need that long-promised archive, and the ability to extract a quote or two from it, to re-activate the ability to say "remember when?' and reflect on posters now lost, or epic statistical swordfights, etc. Don't let the forums become a victim of their own success. [/jeremiad].

your pal.

-doc

PS: re-enable the 'type your own font size' deally. We actually had a useful function for that.

[evilRyu]

doclinkin, never knew about the tradition over at the Wizards board... unfortunate, hope something can be worked out so you can at the very least get an archive.

[Low-Ki]

This new layout is really hard on the eyes. I've been here for less than five minutes and am already experiencing eye strain. Overall it seems cluttered and amateurish. This is my first post so I don't know about the other issues being talked about, so I might be back with more belly aching.

[mojomarc]

+1 for changing the background on quotes and doing automatic indentation again and for quick reply. Also, is it possible to move the "options" box that is below the box I'm typing in right now to reply to a tabbed feature, perhaps at the top where we have the FAQ and Members and Logout options? Since we don't have quick reply, it makes it so I have to scroll back and forth a lot in order to see whatI'm replying to if I'm not quoting someone but instead replying to a bunch of users in one post.

Oh, and a strange bug--I tried replying to this thread from the general announcements, but it wouldn't let me submit from there (gave me that "a new post has already been submitted" message). Go to the mods board and find the announcement post there, and it's easy peasy. Shouldn't a thread visible from anywhere be posted to from anywhere?

[NjNeTs1029]

bring back quick reply!!!

[Double Dribble]

This new layout sucks.

[ICEMANRC]

I've been trying to give it a couple hours just to see, but I have to say, the new layout is (unfortunately) one of the worst I have ever seen.
It's way to busy, and amateur looking. The old format was crisp, but now you can easily get a headache trying to read thread titles, and trying to decipher a quote from a post. Not that I'm a major poster or anything, but I do come to the forums a whole lot (just don't post that much), and I have to say, my lurking will be greatly reduced, because this new layout induces headaches, haha.

[JRG]

I understand what your trying to do here but I no likey at all. Few issues

Everyhitng mish mashes together no division in posts

When I click forums now it give me a choice of all the forums instead of directly to the basketball one.

Also i like having the OT forums visible as well at the bottom of the basketball forum. So like the media lounge, and OT Canada.

Too much clicking is required to get anywhere with this new layout.

Id like to vote for a change back if possible.

[underdog33]

No Quick Reply? Does Not Compute... AHHH