J.Kim wrote:Everyone makes bad throws yes. But the ones you happened to show me as the "definitive video for Falcons' WR atrociousness" show that Michael Vick could have equally made an attempt to throw a better pass, as much as his Receivers could have tried to hold on to the ball.
That's not the "Definitive" video, the definitive video would have been in excess of 20 minutes. That was ONE GAME. And it was just a sports reporter analyzing THAT GAME, it wasn't a seasonal statistical analysis of Atlanta WRs or such.
BTW since you didn't seem to get it the first time, I will repost what I said earlier..
At some point, your receivers HAVE to make plays. That wasn't even a tough play to make. When your receivers can't catch anything that's not in their chest (and even THAT'S questionable with our receivers), that's the DEFINITION of having horrible receivers. You have to look at it from our perspective. If it was YOUR team's receivers dropping those passes, you would COMPLETELY blame the receiver, no question. We even have a Saints fan defending Vick season last year, and Saints fans give us more hell than anyone.
He's no where as near an accurate passer as you think he is.
Again, missing the point. Where did I say he was a very accurate passer? I said he was SIGNIFICANTLY MORE ACCURATE this PAST SEASON than in prior years. Why don't you actually read what I say instead of reading between the lines.
Not one receiver that has played with Michael Vick has been able to pull his Catch rate over 60% (except Brian Finneran, who I regard as an anomaly, because the trends act against him),
That's because Finneran is the best receiver Vick has ever played with. And since a 60% rate is so vital to you, why don't Chad Johnson and Torry Holt have 60% catch rates, they have probowl QBs don't they?
and that's not just this season, it's the previous 6 seasons over the span of his career. You have said that THIS SEASON his WRs dropped a lot more passes, but yet, all their Catch Rates over the past 6 season suggests is that the problem might not lie in the receivers, but rather with Vick.
It's not surprising, but you've missed the point again. I'm not talking about the previous 6 seasons, I'm talking about LAST YEAR, and he was more accurate last year. If that doesn't register with you, it's because you didn't see the games, and it's already been acknowledged that you didn't.
You havn't actually posted in regards to anything related to his game at all. All you've done is make excuses for Michael Vick, and while some of them may be justified, you still have not yet gave me your full-analysis towards Michael Vick's game, his throwing motion, his stance and anything in regards to his game that might support your argument.
Actually I have, go back and check before you make such an outrageous claim. I have said that he does need to improve. What's there to say of his throwing motion? It's not bad, and certainly not a flaw. His stance is just that, he doesn't have one because DE's are always in his face.
Once again, I don't care if Michael Vick runs like Ladainian Tomlinson every year. What I'm discussing his the passing aspects of his game. And J.P. Losman clearly outplayed Michael Vick in that department.
Actually he didn't. Vick had more passing TD's and less interceptions. The difference in yards has to do with the amount of Attempts Vick had, and also our short WCO passing game. It's no coincidence that Vick threw for 2936 yards on only 30 more attempts in his 2nd year.
And Leinart and yes, even Kurt Warner clearly outplayed Michael Vick in terms of passing offence.
Again, you completely missed the point. Leinart and Warner have 2 PROBOWL RECEIVERS!! As well as a good receiving HB in James.
Michael Vick was a below average Quarterback... There were 36 better Quarterbacks than him last year.
Actually there weren't. Vick was top 10 in passing TD's, ran for over 1000, and accounted for over 3500 yards last year. That certainly factors in. Your only argument is completion%, which would be much higher without our liabilities at WR and OL. Vick was an overall top 10-12 QB last season.
With Vick, passing is only part of his game. That's like saying Al Jefferson is better than Kobe Bryant because Al posts up more.