ImageImage

It's official: The league is RIGGED

Moderators: ken6199, TMU

User avatar
moofs
General Manager
Posts: 8,077
And1: 537
Joined: Apr 17, 2006
Location: "if the warriors win the title this season ill tattoo their logo in my di ck" -- 000001
Contact:

 

Post#21 » by moofs » Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:26 pm

YaoZai wrote:talk about free speech. jeez.


Free speech only regards the federal government (in theory), any states that have it in their constitutions (would expect all, but don't really know), and businesses in selectively applicable areas. JVG would potentially be covered by whistleblower laws if he had evidence, but he only has knowledge of it. Pretty sure that knowledge without definitive proof is "slander". What would he stand to gain at this point from outing this whole bit anyway? I knew there was no way that he'd affirm Donaghy, whether he was correct or not, but it was disturbing to see it looking like he was nervously reading from a teleprompter all the same.

MaxRider wrote:most people already know that NBA is rigged
i have friends in the gambling business
lots of the final scores are so close to the gambling line is just fishy
there's no proof until Donaghy gambling got out to the public


Did Donaghy have proof? As far as I know, the "proof" thus far depends on his credibility - hence Stern's laughing dismissively at him during halftime last night (phrasing based on assumption that Donaghy is telling the truth).

For the other side of it all, and some of the reasons that I don't personally say the NBA is rigged but rather just that I (rather strongly) suspect it:

http://blogs.chron.com/nba/2008/06/donaghy_points_smoking_gun_at.html wrote:The notion that the league sought the benefit of a seven-game series is ridiculous. If they could manipulate series the way Donaghy alleges, why haven't they not done it in the Finals? These things have ended early almost every year lately. Last season was a sweep.

For that matter, why would they do anything to get Yao Ming out of the playoffs? They love the guy. On top of that, conspiracy theorists, if the league was to do anyone a favor, Mark Cuban would be last on the list.

That would seem like a predictable reaction. Donaghy is a convicted felon. He is a shameless liar. He gives slime a bad name. But sometimes those are the guys that reveal truths. <note: this paragraph feels highly exaggerated>

The 2005 Rockets' playoff series? We knew about that. Anybody with 50 cents to buy a paper at the time could have told you the "inside" information Donaghy tried to purport to be revealing. And we know what it was and what it wasn't.

That was not a fix. It was a call the Rockets didn't like.

There are other allegations in the letter, but if Donaghy is trying to sell the 2005 Rockets playoff series as a sign of "manipulating" results, he really is desperate.


<quote extended beyond 3 "paragraphs" due to shortness of paragraphs in question - 1-2 sentences ea.>
Morey 2020.

Q:How are they experts when they're always wrong?
A:Ask a stock market analyst or your financial advisor
User avatar
Transistor
Bench Warmer
Posts: 1,490
And1: 216
Joined: Sep 20, 2007

 

Post#22 » by Transistor » Wed Jun 11, 2008 2:30 pm

in case anyone missed JVG's comments

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=VWf4JZWi0sY
User avatar
TMU
Forum Mod - Rockets
Forum Mod - Rockets
Posts: 30,188
And1: 10,413
Joined: Jan 02, 2005
Location: O.R.
       

 

Post#23 » by TMU » Wed Jun 11, 2008 2:55 pm

moofs wrote:Did Donaghy have proof? As far as I know, the "proof" thus far depends on his credibility - hence Stern's laughing dismissively at him during halftime last night (phrasing based on assumption that Donaghy is telling the truth).

For the other side of it all, and some of the reasons that I don't personally say the NBA is rigged but rather just that I suspect it:


OMG, did these words come from a poster who loves fantasy stories, the sci-fi channel, and conspiracy theories? Who are you really? Identify yourself!!!
User avatar
Lazy Faizy
Veteran
Posts: 2,838
And1: 1,906
Joined: Aug 09, 2005
   

 

Post#24 » by Lazy Faizy » Wed Jun 11, 2008 2:59 pm

Transistor wrote:in case anyone missed JVG's comments

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=VWf4JZWi0sY



He never once denied that what he said was wrong though.. he just said he brought it up the wrong way (going public) instead of just going to the league office.

"What I said I believed to be true..." - it probably was true.

:x
tisbee
Starter
Posts: 2,206
And1: 0
Joined: Dec 24, 2004

 

Post#25 » by tisbee » Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:09 pm

The only games a crooked ref "exposes" are the ones where the Head Coach was fined for his comments about refs and a game that is in public lore as funny. That's it. No details -or allegations-of any other games,nope,just a retelling of those two. Why this "evidence" my conspiracy theory about the lottery being fixed by Stern selling off the top pick is PROVEN!!! How else did Orlando keep getting the first pick and Portland getting it last yr other than Stern selling it to the highest bidder?
User avatar
moofs
General Manager
Posts: 8,077
And1: 537
Joined: Apr 17, 2006
Location: "if the warriors win the title this season ill tattoo their logo in my di ck" -- 000001
Contact:

 

Post#26 » by moofs » Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:14 pm

T-Mac United wrote:OMG, did these words come from a poster who loves fantasy stories, the sci-fi channel, and conspiracy theories? Who are you really? Identify yourself!!!


:-?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=a ... &type=lgns

:-/
Morey 2020.

Q:How are they experts when they're always wrong?
A:Ask a stock market analyst or your financial advisor
bigbreakfast
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,524
And1: 628
Joined: May 03, 2008

 

Post#27 » by bigbreakfast » Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:41 pm

man, does JVG come off looking like a hero or what? His in game assessment was funny, he had to word his speech carefully, but I bet somewhere in the back of his head he was "told you I'm right stern." I was at least. The man is a straight shooter and protected not only his player but also his source.
HarlemHeat37
Banned User
Posts: 6,570
And1: 7
Joined: Sep 14, 2006

 

Post#28 » by HarlemHeat37 » Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:49 pm

I'd like to send my condolences out to you Rockets fans..**** embarrassment..
User avatar
DreamShook34
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,372
And1: 6
Joined: Oct 19, 2007

 

Post#29 » by DreamShook34 » Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:16 pm

don't know whats worse this conspiracy coming out or the way the media is only talking about the rigged lakers game. i understand they are more popular but it would be nice to get a mention. that game in 2005 changed our destiny
Image
User avatar
PocketRockets
Pro Prospect
Posts: 914
And1: 9
Joined: Mar 14, 2008

 

Post#30 » by PocketRockets » Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:58 pm

The league is going down and McMahon is trying to get as much money as he can by extending sweeps (bos-atl, hou-jazz, etc) into 7 games series. I can't blame a man for getting all he can before it explodes. =/
User avatar
PurpleTestament
Rookie
Posts: 1,233
And1: 0
Joined: Jan 05, 2007
Location: Owning joo on a 6 foot rim
Contact:

 

Post#31 » by PurpleTestament » Thu Jun 12, 2008 3:54 pm

To be fair I don't think the intention was to hand the series to Dallas. I think of course with the way officiating is so subjective and inconsistent there is an inclination to go after refs which is entirely the league's fault but focusing on one player setting moving screens shouldn't take him out of the series. I think that's more of a failure on JVG and management's fault for not finding this team someone else to set these picks for Yao to begin with rather than limiting the minutes of your Allstar big who obviously is a commodity that shouldn't be setting so many screens to begin with. I remember how often he would set them under Jeff and I know he's probably one of the better players to do it on our team but not two to three times a set!

Of course Cuban is a hoe for complaining to the league about it but I blame Little d for being whiners and for being the NBA outhouse that they are.
"The horror... the horror."
King Roosk
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 5,832
And1: 85
Joined: Jul 23, 2005
Location: Htown to Cali
   

Re: It's official: The league is RIGGED 

Post#32 » by King Roosk » Mon Jun 16, 2008 5:32 pm

JVG is the f*cking man
CuttingEdge
Banned User
Posts: 1,041
And1: 0
Joined: Dec 07, 2006

Re: 

Post#33 » by CuttingEdge » Mon Jun 16, 2008 5:52 pm

PurpleTestament wrote:Freak Dallas and freak Mark Cuban.


I'm not anti-whatever. But is Cuban a Jew also? I just notice a trend with these people. Biased news coverage. Rigged Sports. Adam Sandler and Ben Stiller movies are not funny but the American pulbic is forced to watch for what? This is not good for anything.
User avatar
TMU
Forum Mod - Rockets
Forum Mod - Rockets
Posts: 30,188
And1: 10,413
Joined: Jan 02, 2005
Location: O.R.
       

Re: Re: 

Post#34 » by TMU » Mon Jun 16, 2008 5:54 pm

CuttingEdge wrote:
PurpleTestament wrote:Freak Dallas and freak Mark Cuban.


I'm not anti-whatever. But is Cuban a Jew also? I just notice a trend with these people. Biased news coverage. Rigged Sports. Adam Sandler and Ben Stiller movies are not funny but the American pulbic is forced to watch for what? This is not good for anything.


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
CuttingEdge
Banned User
Posts: 1,041
And1: 0
Joined: Dec 07, 2006

Re: Re: 

Post#35 » by CuttingEdge » Mon Jun 16, 2008 6:08 pm

T-Mac United wrote:
CuttingEdge wrote:
PurpleTestament wrote:Freak Dallas and freak Mark Cuban.


I'm not anti-whatever. But is Cuban a Jew also? I just notice a trend with these people. Biased news coverage. Rigged Sports. Adam Sandler and Ben Stiller movies are not funny but the American pulbic is forced to watch for what? This is not good for anything.


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Don't hold me liable. I don't want to make it seem so blunt a comment but it's just something to think about buddy. But I guess you put any ethnicity in that position and consipiracy will always be there.

Return to Houston Rockets