OT Celtics From Tanking for Oden to Champs?

[tk76]

Not that it would happen, but as a concept:

Would you trade to get:

KG + Pierce + Ray Allen

for

Iguodala+Young+Carney+Lou Williams#16+ next years' #1 and Cap space

That would give us
Miller/Allen/Pierce/KG/Sam with Smith, Evans and Green off the bench (+ whomever we can attract as vet cheap fill ins)

This would buy us a great shot at a championship, but blow up our current team.

Who's in?

For the record, I would not do it.

[The Sixer Fixer]

I know you won't understand this dabods but I REALLY like our young players. Maybe I'm hyping them up too much but when the second youngest player in the league comes into the NBA and already looks like a veteran his first season, that gives me reason to believe he's got star potential.

I do understand it, and I was on board with thad before most. That being said, you play this game to win a championship. Boston has already accomplished that. I would trade the shot of someone developing into a star for a championship without blinking twice.

sometimes people are more enamored with the thought of a star down the road than with the star. The celtics ARE a great team. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. If I could trade our young talent for a team that has a legit shot at winning 2-3 championships, as the Celtics do, you take that chance. I can't believe people would like players like Lou Williams and Carney get in the way of that.

Bingo!

I said this before in a post a few weeks back...

I would trade places with the Celtics in a hearbeat! People think that it's easy to build a championship team by collecting a bunch of young assets. Lou Will, Carney, Jason Smith, Thad...please! These guys all could be good, but if you are sitting around and expecting them to bring a title here anytime soon, I gotta tell ya, you are probably going to be very disappointed. I don't care it we are considered sell outs by trading young players for stars like the Celtics did. If that opportunity was here, I would not think twice. If we could get a Tim Duncan level player for a combination of young players like Thad, Carney, Lou, furture #1's, I would do it. If would could find a way to turn our #1 this year and that Utah pick into a very good SG (Rip?) I would do that too.

Could a team of Miller, Hamilton, Iguodala, Duncan & Dalembert win a title? Would we be an attractive team for aging vets like PJ Brown, Cassell, etc. to come play for, at the veteran minimum salary?

I know that team may be a bit far-fetched (I'm sure people thought the same about the Celtics getitng KG and Allen with their assets) but would people really pass on that because they want to let Thad, Lou, Smith, Carney, future draft picks, develop?

I want a title soon...I don't care how we get there. The current team does not make me think we are close at all to accomplishing that goal.

[STChaser]

Not that it would happen, but as a concept:

Would you trade to get:

KG + Pierce + Ray Allen

for

Iguodala+Young+Carney+Lou Williams#16+ next years' #1 and Cap space

That would give us
Miller/Allen/Pierce/KG/Sam with Smith, Evans and Green off the bench (+ whomever we can attract as vet cheap fill ins)

This would buy us a great shot at a championship, but blow up our current team.

Who's in?

For the record, I would not do it.

I'm with you on this one tk76. I wouldn't do it either. There is something really cheap about trading all your young talent and years of excitement watching these guys grow into their potential, just to win it all now with a bunch of strangers.

Let's apply that logic to other realms of life while we're at it. Would I trade away my wife for a prettier woman who's ten years younger? No. Would I trade away my kitten for an adult Cat? No. Would I trade away my 4'' Oscar which only eats flake food for an 18'' Oscar that can swallow goldfish? No. Would I trade away the remaining 25 years of my life so that I can be retired now? No. Would I trade away my 10 month old son for an 21 year old version of him so I could share a few drinks with him? No. Would I trade in my 5' Magnolia for a 30' behemoth? No. My point is that there is a value to watching things grow and mature. You get more pleasure out of earning things the right way.

I'm happy for Garnett and Co. but the truth is, that this victory is still going to feel a little tarnished, a little hollow at the end of the day; because the Celts didn't necessarily earn it, they went out and bought it. Unfortunately, that's what we tend to do these days in pro sports - and in life for that matter. And in the case of the NBA, the real issue is that there are too many teams and not enough trophies to go around. Just as is the case with many sports, at some point, the talent got watered down because the David Stern's of the world were more interested in creating more franchises than facilitating quality franchises. The Bobcats, The Grizzlies, The Mavericks, The Hornets, The Raptors, The Timberwolves, The Heat - these were all teams that came along in the 80's and on. That took the league from 23 to 30 teams. Did we really need more teams or did we really need more qualified athletes competing harder for the teams that already existed? And how much did the odds of winning a championship go up when the league ballooned from 23 teams to 30?

Is it any wonder our franchise is so starved for a championship? Hell, it could be another 30 years before we ever win one. Which is precisely why winning it all now ceases to be my #1 goal. Because it's unrealistic unless we plan on cashing in the journey for the final act. I'd rather watch what we have and enjoy their progress instead of trading them all for a bunch of strangers at the end of their careers who I hardly knew. Again, the journey is the best part. What happens after that? Look at what happened to our Sixers after we made it to the finals - implode, explode, dispose. Look at what happened to the Heat? Same thing. Look at what's now happening in Detroit? The road to the finals is a lot prettier than the road from the finals.

[tk76]

Not that it would happen, but as a concept:

Would you trade to get:

KG + Pierce + Ray Allen

for

Iguodala+Young+Carney+Lou Williams#16+ next years' #1 and Cap space

That would give us
Miller/Allen/Pierce/KG/Sam with Smith, Evans and Green off the bench (+ whomever we can attract as vet cheap fill ins)

This would buy us a great shot at a championship, but blow up our current team.

Who's in?

For the record, I would not do it.

"I'm with you on this one tk76. I wouldn't do it either. There is something really cheap about trading all your young talent and years of excitement watching these guys grow into their potential, just to win it all now with a bunch of strangers.

Let's apply that logic to other realms of life while we're at it. Would I trade away my wife for a prettier woman who's ten years younger? No. Would I trade away my kitten for an adult Cat? No. Would I trade away my 4'' Oscar which only eats flake food for an 18'' Oscar that can swallow goldfish? No. Would I trade away the remaining 25 years of my life so that I can be retired now? No. Would I trade away my 10 month old son for an 21 year old version of him so I could share a few drinks with him? No. Would I trade in my 5' Magnolia for a 30' behemoth? No. My point is that there is a value to watching things grow and mature. You get more pleasure out of earning things the right way. "

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Very amusing post. Obviously you are taking the argument a bit to the extreme- sort of a "Reasonable Proposal" type arguement.

It would be great to see another champion in Philly, but I can still enjoy a season like this last one. In fact, this was one of the 5 most enjoyable seasons as a Sixer fan ('80, '83, '89', 2001) I can remember. Seeing a young team overachieve, and hopefully be on the way up is not as great as watching a champion, but its probably more enjoyable than being a Piston fan and seeing them fall short again with a sense of the window closing.

[STChaser]

Yeah TK, I was definitely doing some exaggerating. But I am serious about watching these kids mature. Also, I'm an optimist. I predicted we'd make the playoffs this past season and got laughed at on this forum when the season first started.

This Season's Crystal Ball Predictions:
I predict we'll get into round II assuming we fill our need at the 4. I just think our team D is too good for anything less and the acquisition of a 4 with a post game will be the difference between getting knocked out of round I and making it to round II. I also think this team plays with a rare sense of urgency and has gotten the timing of the game down. They know how to bring it in the 3rd and end of the 4th and we have clutch players who normally don't fold under pressure. I think this season we're going to see a much improved, much more utilized Thaddeus Young, as well as more minutes from Lou. I also foresee Carney becoming that 3 point specialist we desperately need. And finally, I foresee Miller being traded and us getting very good value in return - with Lou taking over the PG role and doing much better than expected. Good things to come.

STChaser

[LongLiveHinkie]

Boston sucks.

Frauds.

I wouldn't trade Reggie Evans for anyone on their team.

[sixers_610]

I am not impressed.

Danny Ainge had no vision as a GM; so they continued to suck and rack up draft picks. Of course, they didn't work together so he pawned them off on his ol buddy Kevin McHale to get a 7 foot superstar.

One year later, a bunch of hired guns who mean nothing to the Celtics franchise (minus Pierce) have won an NBA title. Big deal.

[LongLiveHinkie]

Exactly. I'd rather have Billy King. Anyone who knows basketball would too.

[SendEm]

If The Celtics won with hired guns, then that means that the Shaq/Kobe Lakers and current Pistons won with hired guns as well. Hell, that Pistons team even won with a hired gun as a coach...

[sixers_610]

If The Celtics won with hired guns, then that means that the Shaq/Kobe Lakers and current Pistons won with hired guns as well. Hell, that Pistons team even won with a hired gun as a coach...

Fine. They did as well. I am talking about the team that won the title last night, not four years ago.


You want to see a team that more or less built themselves; the Spurs.

[SendEm]

If The Celtics won with hired guns, then that means that the Shaq/Kobe Lakers and current Pistons won with hired guns as well. Hell, that Pistons team even won with a hired gun as a coach...

Fine. They did as well. I am talking about the team that won the title last night, not four years ago.


You want to see a team that more or less built themselves; the Spurs.

We forget that the Spurs tanked too. The Admiral could have returned from injury that season but Tim Duncan was coming out in the draft so the intelligent move was made to throw the season. This is something that the Sixers should have been smart enough to do the last couple of seasons. The Chicago Bulls the first time around were more of a built from the ground up team without any sort of "hired guns" and other perceivable foul play. Nowadays seemingly in order to win a title somewhere along the line you have to get extremely lucky. Lucky that high schooler Kobe insists to play for your team and lucky that Shaq wants to be there too. You have to be lucky to steal a bench player in Ben Wallace and lucky to be Danny Ainge who is a good friend and former teammate of another GM who had a HOF forward on the trading block. Also lucky that Seattle, a franchise looking to move wanted to give away a great SG for a #5 pick with little upside.

The Sixers have to get lucky and I see that coming through trading Iggy AND Miller AND using our cap space on a restricted free agent.

[Welfare Fraud]

I was rooting for the Lakers (not easy to do)

The Cletics annoy me.. KGs intensity shtick gets old fast.