TOR trade?

[shyn3]

I was just wondering what it would take to Pry-Away that #3 pick from the Wolves.

If Bosh is kept out of the picture, so anyone on the Raptors team except Bosh.

Craig Smith seems to be extremely productive, and so is Al Jefferson so it seems you guys are solid up top.

I see Foye more like a SG compared to a PG, so would you be interested in the #3 pick for someone like Ford/Calderon and maybe some other stuff and picks in the future / this year.

Let me know what you all think.

Don't tell me I'm a "idiot, for that trade idea" I just want to see what the Wolves value as the #3 pick in return from the Raptors.

[RD&KG2]

If you had OJ Mayo, would you trade him for TJ Ford?

[shyn3]

Ofcourse not, but now If I had O.J Mayo and anyone else of the Raptors roster and future picks I'd think about it.

But I agree telling me to Go F myself is a legit idea, because there is a lot up for grabs.

I mean our team has a good- 4-15 and pretty good 2-3, and awesome #1.

So it's a solid team that maybe you can find something you like but again I don't know the make up for the wolves so I'm just asking around as to what they would want for that pick.

[Devilzsidewalk]

I think Calderon is a RFA so it makes a trade impossible. With Calderon on the table, you could argue a Calderon/Bargnani package.

[Winter Wonder]

I think for the #3 pick it is going to be very hard pressed for Toronto to find assets that MN is going to look for. MN has a sizable need at the center (Jefferson is a 4) and currently that spot is manned by Rasho, Bargs, and Humpries for the Rapts. None of which would be considered a legitimate defensive 5 (Hump works hard, but is a 4 playing 5 at best). Calderon/Ford is probably your best trade asset, but Foye is our 1/2 and by simply drafting Mayo, MN has its other 1/2 to complete the backcourt. It would be a younger, cheaper, with probably higher potential version of what you had to offer in the 1 or 2 spot.

Toronto's second biggest need seems to be a star wing or SF more specifically. Regardless, Brewer is a future 3/2 and Gomes is a 3/4. Unless there was a significant young upgrade here, there is little reason to bring in more minutes eaters here.

Toronto's best pieces, Bargs, Calderon, #17, just don't have a great fit in MN and though Toronto may think it way too much for Mayo (possibly Beasley), the three of them together is not likely to draw much interest from MN since they are not the pieces they are looking for (though I nkow I am probably undervalueing Calderon).

If Toronto is interested in a SG prospect with some proven NBA ability. McCants would likely be shipped if it was of interest. McCants for Maceo and #17? Here it is possibly not enough from MN, but may be the basis of something.

[andyhop]

If Calderon wasn't a RFA then maybe you could swing him to a 3rd team for something the Wolves want but seeing as we are looking for similar things I would think if you could achieve that then you wouldn't be after the pick.

[deeney0]

Conversation starts with Bosh, I'm afraid.

[shyn3]

I like the idea of McCants, see I posted on the Chicago forum:

Hughes + #1 for Bosh + #17 was an idea a few guys went for.

Miami forum for #2

I'm still waiting on a real offer it seems there is nothing really Miami would give for Beasley, so I figured I could look at seeing what it would take for Mayo and a complete overhaul. So getting rid of all our big pieces would be nice such as Ford, Calderon.

Then we have $21M in expirings such as: AP (4.5) /Rasho (8.5) /Graham (2.5) /Maceo (1.5) /Moon (700K)/ AP ($6M-Team Option)

We had Garbo but he was bought out.

And moon seems like a big piece that many teams like his flash and it sells tickets, which I don't know about Minny but maybe ticket sales are slumping, but then Mayo would bump it anyways.

[shrink]

I like the idea of McCants, see I posted on the Chicago forum:

Hughes + #1 for Bosh + #17 was an idea a few guys went for.

Miami forum for #2

Its possible we end up with Beasley at #3.

At least Bosh piques my interest, and probably the interest of the casual, ticket-buying fan. Calderon, TJ Ford, and Bargnani do not.

Smith and McCants are very available. Smith's an RFA, so we'd be talking a sign-and trade, and McCants has one more year on his cheap deal before he'd need a qualifying offer.

[Winter Wonder]

FYI, only bad contract in MN is really Jaric's 3 yr deal and he is considered fairly productive (just not up to his contract amount). An expiring for him would help, but any deal for the #3 would have to be centered around Bosh (who I really like, but not sure his fit since Al Jefferson is our 4 and not sure how Bosh/Jefferson would work as 4/5). If there were a Bosh deal and Tor is totally blowing it up, we could cook up something, will have to reference the trade checker though.

Otherwise, Walker and Buckner are expirings (trade checker won't reflect that) due to non or partially guaranteed years. Best bet is a McCants deal if you would like to look into that. McCants, though, is on his last year of his rookie deal I believe; so I could see that complicating things unless an extension was agreed to ahead of time.



EDIT: Don't think the trade checker likes the PPP (Poison Pill Provision). I couldn't get anything to work easily with the values listed in the trade checker. Was shooting for something around #3, Brewer, Walker (big exp) and possibly Buckner (mid size exp). Couldn't get it to not reject. Not sure if two lottery picks (Mayo/Beasley and Brewer) plus some large expirings were enough of a basis, but that was what I had started with. Maybe too much, maybe too little. I will let Shrink play with it if he is so inclined.

[shyn3]

I really like Craig Smith's game and maybe in Toronto he would be a solid fit for Bosh. The only issue is his size which is going to hurt us against big teams so just a T.J. for Smith deal wouldn't work imo.

[Basti]

I really like Craig Smith's game and maybe in Toronto he would be a solid fit for Bosh. The only issue is his size which is going to hurt us against big teams so just a T.J. for Smith deal wouldn't work imo.

as much as I like Smith but this wouldn't be fair value for Toronto IMO...

[Jonathan Watters]

Yeah, there's not much the Raptors could realistically offer for #3. Now TJ Ford for Randy Foye + filler might be something to consider if we do end up drafting Mayo...

[shrink]

TJ Ford is too small for the Wolves to pair with Randy Foye and defend opposing back courts. He's a talented player, but his injuries make me question whether MIN should try to acquire him when he's owed over $25 mil until 2011.

[Jonathan Watters]

TJ Ford is too small for the Wolves to pair with Randy Foye and defend opposing back courts. He's a talented player, but his injuries make me question whether MIN should try to acquire him when he's owed over $25 mil until 2011.

That's why I said we should trade Foye for him. Obviously he couldn't be paired with Foye.

[revprodeji]

I would rather have Foye than Ford teamed with Mayo. With Foye/Mayo we have 2 guys that are physical defenders. 2 guys with legit range to help around Al Jefferson.

[HotelVitale]

Tough to see anything working for Toronto-MIN. Aside from Bosh, Toronto has too many perimeter role players, and their most desirable guys have strikes against them (AP is a bit old, Ford has two broken necks on his medical chart, Calderon is untradeable this summer). Some TOR assets might sweeten up a deal, but since Bosh is off the table and they don't have a high pick this year, they don't have any meat to sweeten up. (If they had a higher pick, then AP plus e.g. the #8 or #9 would warrant more interest.)

And shrink, Bosh "piques" your interest? He's already as good as Mayo's absolute upside. And he's got solid character, good work ethic, etc, and he's what 24?

[shrink]

And shrink, Bosh "piques" your interest? He's already as good as Mayo's absolute upside. And he's got solid character, good work ethic, etc, and he's what 24?

No slight on Bosh intended .. I'd just be curious if Al and Bosh could defend together.