06/19 ESPN & DX.com Speculation

[ReasonablySober]

I said in the guess the draft pick thread......I believe CV and Mo will traded and any extra expensive part they can deal. I will also guess that Mo nation in the end will be livid with what the Bucks get for him.

It's probably not happening until mid-July, if it's happening at all.

If we could get a late lotto pick or even something around #15 I'd probably be fine with it so long as we aren't taking back bad contracts.

[bigkurty]

Well if we are possibly trading Sessions, could it be that we are bringing a veteran PG back? That could help explain the win now thing and we all have heard how important Hammond thinks the PG position is.

But damn I really do not want to trade Ramon. That guy could be special. Seriously we have that thread about his value in the draft, well anyone who does not think he would not be drafted in the top ten right now is out of their mind. Seriously what if they had an intern program or something where you got to see Augustin play 20 games in the NBA before getting drafted and say he put up those types of numbers. People would be raving about him and how he has proven himself at the NBA level already. But thats for another thread I guess.

[ReasonablySober]

Well if we are possibly trading Sessions, could it be that we are bringing a veteran PG back? That could help explain the win now thing and we all have heard how important Hammond thinks the PG position is.

But damn I really do not want to trade Ramon. That guy could be special. Seriously we have that thread about his value in the draft, well anyone who does not think he would not be drafted in the top ten right now is out of their mind. Seriously what if they had an intern program or something where you got to see Augustin play 20 games in the NBA before getting drafted and say he put up those types of numbers. People would be raving about him and how he has proven himself at the NBA level already. But thats for another thread I guess.

I think you'd be hard pressed to find a team that would take him in the top 20. Again, it all has to do with context. We're talking about a handful of games at the end of the season on a tanking team, against terrible competition.

Now if he had do it earlier in the year against teams and players that actually had something to play for, I'd be more jacked about Sessions.

[MikeIsGood]

Seriously what if they had an intern program or something where you got to see Augustin play 20 games in the NBA before getting drafted and say he put up those types of numbers. People would be raving about him and how he has proven himself at the NBA level already. But thats for another thread I guess.

Very interesting topic. Has this been posed in the other thread?

[LUKE23]

There is no reason to not be excited about Sessions just because it was at the end of the year. Like I stated earlier the excitement for his playmaking far outweighs the concern of his D given the circumstances he was playing in. But that is for a different thread and I don't want to divert this one.

[europa]

When Sessions was drafted last year, the belief was that he would've likely been a first-round pick this year had he stayed in school. Given what he did at the end of the season, I think it's safe to say his stock would have risen dramatically. If he could put up that type of production at the NBA level, it's scary to think what he would've done in college. Plus, this isn't a draft strong for PGs so his stock likely would have risen even more.

With regard to trading Sessions, I'll trade anyone on this team if it results in improvement. But I would prefer not to trade him given what he showed last season.

[bigkurty]

Two other quick ideas that are possible
Warrick, Lowry, #5 for Sessions, CV, #8
or
Miller, Lowry for Mason, CV, Session, #8

[LUKE23]

Two other quick ideas that are possible
Warrick, Lowry, #5 for Sessions, CV, #8
or
Miller, Lowry for Mason, CV, Session, #8

The first deal I'd pass on and the second deal we get absolutely raped.

[LISTEN2JAZZ]

If Sessions' competition was terrible, what was the competition faced by Westbrook and Augustin?

Weak NBA competition is still light years better than D-League competition (which he also dominated), which is quite a bit better than NCAA competition.

Sessions hasn't yet proven anything against highly motivated NBA teams, but he has proven something against tougher competition than any of the college guys have faced. Which of course doesn't mean that those guys wouldn't do just as well or better - but you've got to put an appropriate amount of belief in Sessions' data relative to NCAA data.

[ReasonablySober]

When Sessions was drafted last year, the belief was that he would've likely been a first-round pick this year had he stayed in school. Given what he did at the end of the season, I think it's safe to say his stock would have risen dramatically. If he could put up that type of production at the NBA level, it's scary to think what he would've done in college. Plus, this isn't a draft strong for PGs so his stock likely would have risen even more.

With regard to trading Sessions, I'll trade anyone on this team if it results in improvement. But I would prefer not to trade him given what he showed last season.

He came out as a junior and would now be in one of the deepest drafts in a while. It's possible he makes it into the first round, but as a senior from Nevada? I don't know.

I'm excited to see what he can do under Skiles. But you'll have to forgive me for playing devil's advocate. I simply think it's silly to get worked up on a guy when he's playing during a period that saw such legends like Walter Herrmann look like KG and Mardy Collins look like Kobe Bryant.

[MikeIsGood]

Two other quick ideas that are possible
Warrick, Lowry, #5 for Sessions, CV, #8
or
Miller, Lowry for Mason, CV, Session, #8

The first deal I'd pass on and the second deal we get absolutely raped.

Agreed. I've never liked Warrick at the NBA level, and Lowry doesn't do as much for me as he apparently does for others.

[TripleDouble]

I guess I was wrong. I think some of you are going to be in for a sad draft night

I want nothing to do with Mobley or TT. It'd be nice to figure out a way to aquire a talent like Mayo without giving up our best scorer. I'd give up Yi and #8 for Mayo. Trade Mo/CV for a banger. I think that's our best shot at contending now rather than down the road. I think we've all had enough of the waiting game. I hope whatever trade is made helps us NOW.

I think everyone is taking these posts far too broadly. IMO, he say's "I guess I was wrong - some of you will be sad" - meaning he thought most would be happy until he read some post(s).

Than he imeediately followed it with a quoted post - no comments of his own. I read it to be that something in aaprigs31's post is on track with what wichmae is hearing, and it is something that aaprigs31 is not happy about. It is also after this post that he says a poster a while back was close.

What was aaprigs31 upset about:
- he did not want TT or Mobley
- he wanted Mayo without giving up the Bucks best scorer
- more likely it is the part about "I hope this trade is made to help us NOW", because it is bolded in wichmae's post.

I think those are the clue's he has given us, and the other theories are what is way off. JMHO.

[europa]

When Sessions was drafted last year, the belief was that he would've likely been a first-round pick this year had he stayed in school. Given what he did at the end of the season, I think it's safe to say his stock would have risen dramatically. If he could put up that type of production at the NBA level, it's scary to think what he would've done in college. Plus, this isn't a draft strong for PGs so his stock likely would have risen even more.

With regard to trading Sessions, I'll trade anyone on this team if it results in improvement. But I would prefer not to trade him given what he showed last season.

He came out as a junior and would now be in one of the deepest drafts in a while. It's possible he makes it into the first round, but as a senior from Nevada? I don't know.

The belief was he'd be a first-round pick - and that was without having any inkling of what he was going to do once he got a chance to play in the NBA. I see no reason to think his stock would have dropped. Given what he did at the NBA level, it's more probable his stock would have risen and perhaps dramatically.

I'm excited to see what he can do under Skiles. But you'll have to forgive me for playing devil's advocate. I simply think it's silly to get worked up on a guy when he's playing during a period that saw such legends like Walter Herrmann look like KG and Mardy Collins look like Kobe Bryant.

I'm not getting worked up about him, but I think it's silly to minimize the production given how it was well above what anyone could have expected. I'm still waiting for someone to show me a rookie PG who put up that type of production and turned out to be a dog. Sessions was damn impressive. None of that guarantees anything but what he did should have people very excited about his potential given what a significant break from the norm it was.

But this thread isn't about Sessions and his place in the draft. We already have a thread for that so my apologies for going off topic.

[carmelbrownqueen]

Let me just say that I hate speculating on trades, it's not my thing, but I love evaluating talent and talking about draft possibilities. With that said, I was just thinking about wichame's choice of wording when he posted the following...So let's break it down a little more:

If something better comes along I wouldnt doubt that we dont go that route, but as of now this is looking pretty solid.

This statements seems to indicates moving someone (perhaps popular could be Redd, CV, or other.. I don't think it's Mo) and not getting value. That this trade isn't the most popular with the front office but would be workable if we went ahead and did it. Seems pretty much like a done deal...

It also depends on the trigger with the other teams management as well. It takes two to tango and they could eventually get more value with their package if a team somehow gets desperate.

I see this as a draft pick or a player and draft pick that some don't expect to be moved (from the other team) for what they would be getting. So this leads me to believe that Redd & Mo aren't a part of is, because what do the teams ahead of us have that most would believe wouldn't be worth trading to get one of these guys? Getting more value for what we would give, seems to say smaller trade too me. And that, perhaps we might not get an experienced veteran player (as part of the package) in return which seems to be the direction Hammond wants to go in, but would instead get a young player or possibly just a draft pick in return.

I will say though expect flurry's of moves to have everything set going into training camp. The way timing works with the deals on the table makes some more realistic than others. Mo is still BYC until after the moratorium so it makes anything involving him difficult if they even decide to go that route.

Sounds like wichame isn't sure we are committed to moving Mo (based on what we could get in return for him), however they are exploring possibilities.

My only question for wichame is this... In your "opinion" do you think we would agree to a trade in principle (that could possibly be announced) involving Mo but not finalized until much later? Again, just asking for your "informed opinion" here?

[bigkurty]

Two other quick ideas that are possible
Warrick, Lowry, #5 for Sessions, CV, #8
or
Miller, Lowry for Mason, CV, Session, #8

The first deal I'd pass on and the second deal we get absolutely raped.

Yeah I originally had them include their #5 too in the second one but then it looked like we were raping them. Would you guys do that and would they?
Miller, Lowry, #5, for Mason, CV, Sessions, #8
Maybe that idea just sucks I guess unless someone else can think of a way to make it fair to bring in Miller while keeping Redd, Mo, Yi, and Bogut. I am trying to satisfy the win now thing, the disappointed thing, the keep our core guys thing, the upgrading the sf position thing Hammond says is the top priority, etc.

At this point I am starting to think I am WAY off too.

[ReasonablySober]

When Sessions was drafted last year, the belief was that he would've likely been a first-round pick this year had he stayed in school. Given what he did at the end of the season, I think it's safe to say his stock would have risen dramatically. If he could put up that type of production at the NBA level, it's scary to think what he would've done in college. Plus, this isn't a draft strong for PGs so his stock likely would have risen even more.

With regard to trading Sessions, I'll trade anyone on this team if it results in improvement. But I would prefer not to trade him given what he showed last season.

He came out as a junior and would now be in one of the deepest drafts in a while. It's possible he makes it into the first round, but as a senior from Nevada? I don't know.

The belief was he'd be a first-round pick - and that was without having any inkling of what he was going to do once he got a chance to play in the NBA. I see no reason to think his stock would have dropped. Given what he did at the NBA level, it's more probable his stock would have risen and perhaps dramatically.

I'm excited to see what he can do under Skiles. But you'll have to forgive me for playing devil's advocate. I simply think it's silly to get worked up on a guy when he's playing during a period that saw such legends like Walter Herrmann look like KG and Mardy Collins look like Kobe Bryant.

I'm not getting worked up about him, but I think it's silly to minimize the production given how it was well above what anyone could have expected. I'm still waiting for someone to show me a rookie PG who put up that type of production and turned out to be a dog. Sessions was damn impressive. None of that guarantees anything but what he did should have people very excited about his potential given what a significant break from the norm it was.

But this thread isn't about Sessions and his place in the draft. We already have a thread for that so my apologies for going off topic.

Walter Herrmann. Mardy Collins. And that was just last year. I'm just sayin'.

[paulpressey25]

I can't see Lowry coming back this way in a Grizzlies deal where we also get #5. These deals generally are smaller and have less pieces involved than the monsters we create on here.

[carmelbrownqueen]

I guess I was wrong. I think some of you are going to be in for a sad draft night

I want nothing to do with Mobley or TT. It'd be nice to figure out a way to aquire a talent like Mayo without giving up our best scorer. I'd give up Yi and #8 for Mayo. Trade Mo/CV for a banger. I think that's our best shot at contending now rather than down the road. I think we've all had enough of the waiting game. I hope whatever trade is made helps us NOW.

I think everyone is taking these posts far too broadly. IMO, he say's "I guess I was wrong - some of you will be sad" - meaning he thought most would be happy until he read some post(s).

Than he imeediately followed it with a quoted post - no comments of his own. I read it to be that something in aaprigs31's post is on track with what wichmae is hearing, and it is something that aaprigs31 is not happy about. It is also after this post that he says a poster a while back was close.

What was aaprigs31 upset about:
- he did not want TT or Mobley
- he wanted Mayo without giving up the Bucks best scorer
- more likely it is the part about "I hope this trade is made to help us NOW", because it is bolded in wichmae's post.

I think those are the clue's he has given us, and the other theories are what is way off. JMHO.

I like your spin on it.. Interesting.

[LUKE23]

I can't see Lowry coming back this way in a Grizzlies deal where we also get #5. These deals generally are smaller and have less pieces involved than the monsters we create on here.

Why not? It's not like Lowry is a great piece. He's solid, but they have Conley there, who is definitely their PG of the future. And I'd take Sessions all day any day over Lowry based on what both have shown.

[europa]

Mardy Collins averaged 13 assists per game as a starter last season? I must've missed that.