Kings Lakers Trade

[rpa]

Quoting Hoopsworld as a source is akin to quoting the National Enquirer as a source; not to mention that (in my mind) there are 2 major holes in the "article":

1) It says "Multiple Sources". Now, I don't know about you, but I'd think that the only way a backwoods place like Hoopsworld could get MULTIPLE sources on something like this would be if Artest & his agent were running around telling everyone. Which leads me to 2 questions: realistically what are the chances of that happening and, second, if that was happening don't you that that a [ahem] REAL publication would devote an article to it?

2) In the "article" it also says "Unless the Kings are willing to give Artest a long-term extension, he'd be in a similar situation next year." What they fail to mention are the alternatives as well as the HUGE differences in how we got to now and how we'll get to next summer.

Last summer the Kings were reluctant to move any of their core because they wanted to see what Theus could do with a healthy team--Artest, Miller, Martin, Bibby, and the just signed Moore. In fact, the signing of Moore all but cemented the fact that the Kings weren't going to make any quick, rebuilding trades. Since then what's happened? Well, it's become obvious that the Kings won't be winning anything in the next couple years and we saw what Theus could do with the core (though, it wasn't completely healthy). So, whereas last summer you had a team that was very reluctant to move it's core veterans, this summer you have a team that is [probably] looking to move it's vets.

Further, they seem to completely ignore the entire scenario where a team would trade for Artest and immediately offer him an extension.


My personal opinion is that you can see that the article is pure bull based on the way they lay out and ignore the facts. They lay it out in such a way as to make the reader think "wow, so if Artest doesn't opt out he'll be turning down longterm deal, playing for a losing team, and just be putting off the inevitable" when that couldn't be further from the truth. Plus, as mentioned, the fail to mention one of the most likely scenarios.

I'd call it bad journalism but, seeing as how it's Hoopsworld, that'd be an insult to journalism.

[KingInExile]

Artest Rumor

It's only a rumor

And the original trade is horrible. Brad Miller? The Lakers don't really need him.

I was thinking Odom and Vladrad + Mihm? Walton? for just Artest. Don't know if that works out salary wise but yeah that's what I was thinking. Or maybe he'll just sign for the MLE but then we wouldn't need Odom so..

The Kings can no longer trade him to avoid getting nothing if he opts out. The CBA does not allow teams to trade players with expiring contracts or player options after the trade deadline. If he opts out, he's gone and there's nothing the Kings can do about it.

[pillwenney]

Artest Rumor

It's only a rumor

And the original trade is horrible. Brad Miller? The Lakers don't really need him.

I was thinking Odom and Vladrad + Mihm? Walton? for just Artest. Don't know if that works out salary wise but yeah that's what I was thinking. Or maybe he'll just sign for the MLE but then we wouldn't need Odom so..

The Kings can no longer trade him to avoid getting nothing if he opts out. The CBA does not allow teams to trade players with expiring contracts or player options after the trade deadline. If he opts out, he's gone and there's nothing the Kings can do about it.

Well....or he opts out and re-signs. People often forget that that's a real possibility with any player opting out.

[PurpleTestament]

The thing about Hoopsworld you have to remember is that they have the largest collection of online rumors that won't happen. So if you're referencing to see if something is legit see if it comes up on the site. If it doesn't then the trade may be legit.

[Danny Darko]

As a Laker fan:

The original offer is insulting to you guys.

Some of you seem to think Odom has a long or b.s. contract... he's an expiring, so you know- if he doesn't fit well, you can easily move him for any number of things.

I thought Odom for Ron and Kenny sounded reasonable.

[KingInExile]

Artest Rumor

It's only a rumor

And the original trade is horrible. Brad Miller? The Lakers don't really need him.

I was thinking Odom and Vladrad + Mihm? Walton? for just Artest. Don't know if that works out salary wise but yeah that's what I was thinking. Or maybe he'll just sign for the MLE but then we wouldn't need Odom so..

The Kings can no longer trade him to avoid getting nothing if he opts out. The CBA does not allow teams to trade players with expiring contracts or player options after the trade deadline. If he opts out, he's gone and there's nothing the Kings can do about it.

Well....or he opts out and re-signs. People often forget that that's a real possibility with any player opting out.

I assumed most of us already knew that was a potential.

I was just preempting the argument RNN was inevitably going to try to make, which was that the Kings should trade him to the Lakers so they could get something out of him before he opts out. No need to start bickering over an idea that has no possibility of happening.

[tracey_nice]

Looking at this with a complete unbiased, objective view; the Kings should do it. Seriously though, Brad Miller and Artest wtf? Lol, Kings fans what about a Lamar, Artest trade straight-up; maybe with a few fillers but those 2 as the only significant pieces.

[That Nicka]

LOL @ the original offers...

Kings fans, please dont lump all Laker fans into the same group as the OP...

[SacTown Kings]

^^ From a value point of view for an Artest/Odom trade to come close the Lakers would have to take on Kenny T and throw in a first rounder, and even then I wouldn't do it. With Artest the Lakers are a championship team, no doubt about it. They have to overpay/sacrifice something very good in order for the Kings to hand them a championship and Odom is not that piece. Odom does not even fit in with what the Kings want to do. Kings would be better off signing artest to an extension than trade him for Odom. Why everyone thinks we should trade Artest for Odom is beyond me, it's just a terrible trade for the Kings. If Artest is being traded I would rather see TJ Ford and their #1 pick over Odom and whatever junk the Lakers throw our way. If the Lakers want Artest then give us Bynum, otherwise have fun watching clips of Pierce flat out embarrassing the Lakers game after game, even when he was gimpy he embarrassed them. Props to the Lakers for making it to the finals but it is obvious they were not the better team, add Artest to that team and they win, so they are the ones that need to give up more than Odumb.

[tracey_nice]

The Kings don't have a lot rebounding, Odom can play the 4 spot for you guys and be a top 10 rebounder in the league. While Ford, on the other-hand, is a wild card; his decision making is very questionable, especially for a point guard, and he has poor shot selection; don't forget the injury. I really don't see the Kings getting anything better then Odom for Artest, but, I could be wrong.

[SacTown Kings]

The Kings don't have a lot rebounding, Odom can play the 4 spot for you guys and be a top 10 rebounder in the league. While Ford, on the other-hand, is a wild card; his decision making is very questionable, especially for a point guard, and he has poor shot selection; don't forget the injury. I really don't see the Kings getting anything better then Odom for Artest, but, I could be wrong.

You don't trade one of the best 2 way players in the league to a divisional opponent unless you are getting something great in return you can build upon. Odom does not have a future in Sacramento. He is an idiot. Petrie looks for players with high BB I.Q.'s (miller, hawes, martin, salmons, artest...they all have high BB IQ's, Odom does not). You put too much emphasis on someone who can get 10 rebounds a game, big deal. We could of started Justin Williams and got 10 rebounds a game from him. But he got cut. We can get our pf in the draft (Arthur, Speights,Jordan...) and it will be someone we can build with. There is no need for Odom.

[ICMTM]

I think the Kings would quite possibly do an Artest + Thomas for Odom's expiring deal providing that the Kings aren't winning. I think what people need to understand is you aren't getting Ron Artest without Kenny Thomas.

[SacTown Kings]

I have a better idea. How about a 3 way where the main pieces are Kenny and Ron going to LA, Odom going to Toronto and TJ, the #17, and future 1st from LA going to the Kings. I am pretty sure LA has no problem taking Kenny, although Toronto would probably try and cut the Lakers out of it as they want Ron, I am not sure how they feel about Odom. Probably they don't want him which is understandable.

Edit: LOL I just realized it says analyst under my name, whatever that means.

[dozencousins]

The only way the kings offer artest in a deal for odom is if Petrie does it to save cap space for next season offering artest & k9 for odom though the lakers get the better deal by getting artest Petrie only considers this by ridding k9 contract !

[Gerald3Wallace]

artest said he is really good friends with odom and both were on aau team together..

on his interview with loose cannons, it seems like he WANTS to play with odom....said it would be a no brainer if he got the chance to play with odom..

artest will opt out and sign with lakers

[rpa]

artest said he is really good friends with odom and both were on aau team together..

on his interview with loose cannons, it seems like he WANTS to play with odom....said it would be a no brainer if he got the chance to play with odom..

artest will opt out and sign with lakers

Yes, let's ignore the fact that Artest has said MULTIPLE times that it's highly unlikely he'll opt out and take his friendship with Odom as 100% proof that he's going to opt out. Great idea.

Laker fans

[KingInExile]

artest said he is really good friends with odom and both were on aau team together..

on his interview with loose cannons, it seems like he WANTS to play with odom....said it would be a no brainer if he got the chance to play with odom..

artest will opt out and sign with lakers

You're competing with Knick fans who believe Artest will opt out to play for the Kincks for the "Worst Reasoned Post of the Year" award.

[Smills91]

artest said he is really good friends with odom and both were on aau team together..

on his interview with loose cannons, it seems like he WANTS to play with odom....said it would be a no brainer if he got the chance to play with odom..

artest will opt out and sign with lakers

Naw, Odom will expire and sign with the Kings for the MLE. That's MUCH more likely if they want to play together. Ron loves it in Sacto and who wouldn't. NOR CAL > SO CAL minus San Diego(that place is cool).

[KF10]

LOL at the Lakers poster response. A week ago or so, they didn't even knew that Artest had a relationship with Odom. And now they are going to use that (irreverent) information in regards of a reason to opting out? Incredible.

So, if I use your logic, I could say Artest will opt out from the Kings to go to the Clippers because he and Elton Brand are best friends. Yep, I know it. LOLZ OmG!!!1!1!11!

[Cruel_Ruin]

I can get behind an Odom/Artest deal, but since we're aiming for the 2010 offseason for mega capspace, I'd rather hang on to Kenny Thomas and see if we can get more value from the Lakers. I could get behind a deal like this:

Artest/Salmons
for
Odom/Turiaf/Farmar