06/19 ESPN & DX.com Speculation

[DanoMac]

Brevin Knight is a pretty bad comparison. Sessions showed more in what some RealGMers like to call "garbage time" than Knight has his whole career. Knight's best assist season was 9 on a "garbage time" team in 04-05 playing for the Bobcats.

I find it ridiculous how some of the people on this board complain about Mo constantly, and still can't appreciate what Sessions did, even if we were out of it at that time. Even in "garbage time", Sessions still did what players such as Paul, Williams, and others couldn't do in their rookie seasons (in which their respective teams didn't make the playoffs, either).

The biggest knack on Mo is that he's a shoot first PG. Everyone claimed that all the Bucks needed was a pass first PG because we had enough scoring in our starting lineup. A blessing comes from the sky in Sessions and people still fail to appreciate it, and be excited about him. Absolutely stunning.

all we needed was a pass first pg to do what? win at a lower %?

Because we all know that Mo was making a drastic difference.

[Bernman]

He's more explosive and has much better size (5-11/170 vs. 6-3/190 is very significant) than Brevin Knight. I also think he's a better overall offensive player. Knight is a career 41.5% shooter and has scored in double figures twice in eleven seasons.

You're getting hung up on one difference, which for this comparison's sake is relatively trivial, and that's size. Brevin Knight's liability on D is that he gets pushed around and shot over. Ramon's is that he can't stay in front of opposing points. Quite frankly, I'd rather have Knight's liability. At least Knight's only being beaten individually. Penetration corrupts your entire team's defense as we saw with Mo, Sessions, etc. Offensively, 6-3 is not going to help Sessions get in the lane more than Knight. It would help him release his shot, but too bad he cannot shoot. More explosive? You're making that up. In regards to who you "think" is the better offensive player, I don't care what you "think". Back up your opinions. Sessions hasn't established himself as an NBA player offensively or defensively, so you can't say he's appreciably better than Knight in that area. Knight was a higher scorer in college (16.2 to 12.3) in a tougher conference (PAC 10 to WAC). By the way, Sessions averaged an abysmal 4.7 points per game in 26.2 minutes as a soph. You talked about field goal percentages, they shot the EXACT same field goal percentage in college at 41.6. Which is almost exactly the same as Knight has shot in the pros. Sessions shot 2 percent more against lax defenses at 43.6. Knight shot 44 percent from the field during April his rookie year. Ramon Knight.

They aren't similar players at all. And of course he hasn't "established" himself yet, he's only played 17 games. Those 17 games are all we have to go on. It's pretty questionable to tab him as a defender with only 17 games under a horrendous coach on a tanking team. As I stated earlier, the playmaking was more impressive than the defensive was worrisome, by a significant margin.

And I disagree regarding defensive liability. Knight has at best equal lateral quickness to Ramon while being significantly shorter as you stated.

To put it in perspective (and like I said, this is a small sample size but it's all we have to go on) in identical minutes Sessions had more impressive numbers as a rookie than Knight has had for his whole career. And in most cases, rookies do improve.

Herow, McFly. Knight averaged 8.8 assists per game in April of his rookie season in 5.5 less minutes than Sessions. That works out to 2.65 assists per minute to 2.92. He was actually a slightly better points per minute guy and had a slightly better field goal percentage, on second look. He averaged a steal more per game in those fewer minutes......hey don't you need to move your feet laterally to pick up a steal? Knight was one of the best steals guy in college BTW (2.8), while Sessions was awful against slow white guys in the WAC (.9). I queried Wolfpack fans about Sessions' lateral quickness and they said it was average.....for the WAC. You can say Knight has average lateral quickness to conform to your argument, similar to Sessions', but it doesn't make it true.

[jerrod]

Because we all know that Mo was making a drastic difference.

i don't know the %'s, i'm pretty sure it didn't get better though

i just think factoid gets left out a lot.

[midranger]

So, given the improvement that players typically make from year 1 to 2, we should have Sessions down for 15 assists per game next season?

Which one of you guys who think these April stats mean anything want to cosign that one? I'll bet against it.

Show some courage in your convictions.

[aaprigs311]

So anyways.. back to these trade speculations...

[in8]

Sessions will be a better NBA pg than Mo.

Neither are starters on a contender.

[paulpressey25]

Which one of you guys who think these April stats mean anything want to cosign that one? I'll bet against it.

If he's the starting PG next year he'll average at least 8.0 apg. I have no problem with that statement.

And the only thing preventing him from being the starter is if Mo is still on the roster or we make a deal for a veteran PG. If he's got to split time or platoon he won't get those numbers. But if he platoons it is a result of other deficiencies in his game, not his pure assist generating ability.

But I don't guarantee wins with him as the starter. Just that he'll get to the 8.0apg mark.

[carmelbrownqueen]

I was just reviewing the last 10-12 pages to try to figure this out and look for clues I missed. I found something that I overlooked. Not sure if anyone else caught it. After wichmae said that some of us would be disappointed he quoted my little rant. The last line of the quote I made was "whatever trade they make i i hope it helps us NOW." He put that quote in bold print. It sounds like whatever trade is in the making is for some younger players that will help us rebuild or another draft pick. Not even sure if anyone mentioned the "bolding" of that quote. If you did I'm sorry that to be the "captain obvious" guy right now. Anways, sounds like we're in for a youth movement which does indeed disappoint me.

Actually I think he bolded that part because whatever trade the Bucks do would be to improve us now, I don't think we will go young at all, and look at this as a rebuilding process.. Maybe we might end up getting "a" young guy in the deal but I believe Hammond is willing to get a vet over a player in the draft if the right one is offered. Going young and rebuilding sort of goes against the philosophy he's been talking about for a while now.

[DanoMac]

Possibly a Carmelo trade in the works?

[midranger]

Which one of you guys who think these April stats mean anything want to cosign that one? I'll bet against it.

If he's the starting PG next year he'll average at least 8.0 apg. I have no problem with that statement.

And the only thing preventing him from being the starter is if Mo is still on the roster or we make a deal for a veteran PG. If he's got to split time or platoon he won't get those numbers. But if he platoons it is a result of other deficiencies in his game, not his pure assist generating ability.

But I don't guarantee wins with him as the starter. Just that he'll get to the 8.0apg mark.

Why only 8?

If we're pimping him entirely on the strength of a single stat why should we expect a dramatic decline in that area? Unless that stat is fairly meaningless in the context of how it was achieved.

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[Sigra]

Wichmae said:

Ok, there as of right now looks to be a trade about done and no it doesnt involve Bogut or Yi.

And then he said this:

I guess I was wrong. I think some of you are going to be in for a sad draft night

Most of us thinks that Bogut is not going to be traded. Only DrugBust thinks that Bogut is the man to be traded. And then Wichmae said this:

One poster a lil bit back actually was on to something but some of you guys are WAY off

See you Bogut

[ReasonablySober]

Sigra's post is really pretty interesting considering how he can look at a comment and take it entirely different than most everyone else.

[REDDzone]

Wow, good job Sigra.

Who knows?

[jerrod]

Sigra's post is really pretty interesting considering how he can look at a comment and take it entirely different than most everyone else.

who's to say who's right, but that's not how i interpreted it either


the way sigra hears it, it seems like wichmae went back and got more info from his source but i don't think there's that much time in between the posts

[ReasonablySober]

Sigra's post is really pretty interesting considering how he can look at a comment and take it entirely different than most everyone else.

who's to say who's right, but that's not how i interpreted it either


the way sigra hears it, it seems like wichmae went back and got more info from his source but i don't think there's that much time in between the posts

That's pretty much it. Either wichmae got new info or he was simply saying that a lot of people here are on the wrong track and they won't be happy come draft night.

[Nowak008]

Didn't Wichmae say it didn't involve Bogut already?

[paulpressey25]

It is interesting how Sigra sees the puzzle pieces differently.

That said, I'm going with the interpretation that there was no new information about Bogut being traded, just that a group of guys are going to be disappointed with the deal. My read of the clues is that we will trade for a vet, and that there will not be a blow up the team and start over type deal or a big push for Mayo, etc.

[ReasonablySober]

Didn't Wichmae say it didn't involve Bogut already?

Stay with us, Nowak.

That's what we're talking about. Read Sigra's post.

[REDDzone]

I saw it the way Sigra did from the start (Wichmae talked to his source after his initial post).

I just never connected the dots and thought that maybe Bogut would be involved