Odom was in he Gasol deal, but Memphis GM pulled him out...

[dockingsched]

why are the celtics/wolves even being talked about? pau and kg aren't even comparable. i mean, some consistency would be nice. when talking about the trade, pau is an elite big man. when talking about the lakers on the court, pau is some no rebounding never won a playoff game before softie.

because some of the lakers fans have a double standard. considering the KG deal they keep saying a package of Odom, Bynum, Kwame and #19 would have been enough (I don't want to go further about this deal) yet when talking about the grizzlies deal they say that adding Odom would make no sense b/c of his contract etc. and last time I checked Memphis is a similar situation as Minnesota (rebuilding). so it makes no sense to say that Odom would have had much value if you'd want to trade him to Minny. don't get me wrong, I think Odom has value but NOT to ANY rebuilding team especially prior to this offseason...

well, andrew bynum is just that good

[QBF]

Or, more realistically, they were in heated agreements with Chicago, who backed out at the last minute. And, the Grizz would have received worthy talent to go along with salary relief. That's enough to hold resentment- I don't really buy into the conspiracy theory and pressure from the NBA. In fact, I would say that it is the opposite effect that the NBA would want for this market. You take out the Spanish viewers who added to the Grizz popularity because Pau was a God overseas. Then you completely dismember your team by not receiving anything close to equal value. So, you scrap your best player for cap relief. That shows a lack of commitment to the fans if anything. In a market with already the second worst attendance numbers, wouldn't you think that the NBA would push for any means to make this organization more successful?

Real GM and logic. I didn't know it was possible!

I'm not sure there were any "heated agreements" or even what a "heated agreement" is. Anyway, there is no indication that Memphis and Chicago had any kind of agreement or that Chicago "backed out" of anything.

Again, if trading is a voluntary process, and if the Grizzlies thought Gasol was such an overrated talent that they couldn't wait to get rid of, then why would they get so offended by Chicago's offer to the point that their owner went public and criticized the Bulls for not offering more?

Apparently, not a single other NBA team, not Orlando, not Miami, not New York, not New Jersey, not Boston, not Philadelphia, not Washington, not Atlanta, not Cleveland, Charlotte, not Milwaukee, not Indiana, not Detroit, not Toronto, not Minnesota, not Dallas, not Houston, not San Antonio, not Utah, not Denver, not the Clippers, not Portland, not Seattle, not Phoenix, not Golden State, not Sacramento offered the Grizzlies young prospects plus salary cap relief for Gasol.

So why weren't Toronto, Cleveland, or San Antonio or any other team attacked for failing to make a better offer than the Lakers? Why was Chicago the only named, public target? Chicago didn't even have an expiring contract to offer the Grizzlies.

Once again, the only logical explanation is that Chicago was the only alternative, and, therefore, the only one attacked.

[QBF]

Wow another one of these threads. Its funny that all the Memphis fans are fine with this deal and everyone else is crying because the Lakers were involved. Memphis said give us a player that we like or give us cap space. They didn't like Odom so they went with the cap space. Whats really annoying is all these threads but people don't suggest what they would give up from there favorite team to get Gasol. I hear Bull fans still on the Chicago board say after watching Gasol they still would not give up Deng or Tyrus for Gasol. I've seen the same hawk fans complain about that trade but ask them if they give up Josh Smith or Horford for him. I would love to hear what these fans that dislike the deal what they would give up to Memphis that would be better from there team.

Well, again, Odom was discussed in relation to also acquiring Mike Miller, which would have justified criminal charges against the Grizzlies ownership and management.

In reality, the Grizzlies never wanted to give up their best players for junk, which is why they wouldn't deal Brian Cardinal and Mike Miller to Miami for tremendous cap relief and draft picks. They had no choice with Gasol, so they did the best they could and put the best public spin on it that they could think of.

Fans are fickle, so I wouldn't ask them about it. I would recommend asking Greg Popovich instead.

[rjgraca]

Wow. Another thread talking about the Gasol donation.

They could at least have used Bynum's name to put spin on this one instead of Odoms which would have maintained the charade.

What choice do Memphis fans have other than moving on from the Gasol donation enema.

[B-Scott]

that would have made it worse for the grizzlies.

You mean the Lakers

C Gasol
PF Turiaf
SF Rad
SG Kobe
PG Fisher

Turiaf is not even servicable anymore. We would be horrible on the boards

[Basti]

why are the celtics/wolves even being talked about? pau and kg aren't even comparable. i mean, some consistency would be nice. when talking about the trade, pau is an elite big man. when talking about the lakers on the court, pau is some no rebounding never won a playoff game before softie.

because some of the lakers fans have a double standard. considering the KG deal they keep saying a package of Odom, Bynum, Kwame and #19 would have been enough (I don't want to go further about this deal) yet when talking about the grizzlies deal they say that adding Odom would make no sense b/c of his contract etc. and last time I checked Memphis is a similar situation as Minnesota (rebuilding). so it makes no sense to say that Odom would have had much value if you'd want to trade him to Minny. don't get me wrong, I think Odom has value but NOT to ANY rebuilding team especially prior to this offseason...

well, andrew bynum is just that good

not that I disagree with you but I think Big Al was better last summer and he probably still is. I don't want to take anything away from Bynum since I really like that kid but playing with Kobe would make Big Al offensively look like Kareem (I'm exaggerating btw). I hope Bynum will fully recover from that injury because I want to see as many good/great big men in the WC for the future.

[NO-KG-AI]

why are the celtics/wolves even being talked about? pau and kg aren't even comparable. i mean, some consistency would be nice. when talking about the trade, pau is an elite big man. when talking about the lakers on the court, pau is some no rebounding never won a playoff game before softie.

because some of the lakers fans have a double standard. considering the KG deal they keep saying a package of Odom, Bynum, Kwame and #19 would have been enough (I don't want to go further about this deal) yet when talking about the grizzlies deal they say that adding Odom would make no sense b/c of his contract etc. and last time I checked Memphis is a similar situation as Minnesota (rebuilding). so it makes no sense to say that Odom would have had much value if you'd want to trade him to Minny. don't get me wrong, I think Odom has value but NOT to ANY rebuilding team especially prior to this offseason...

well, andrew bynum is just that good

Well, Andrew Bynum certainly isn't better/more valuable than Al Jefferson and the #3 pick.

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yeah, i was just kidding around...but al jefferson AND the number 3 pick? explain how that number 3 pick got in there.

[ClubLakers KB8]

This was known right after the trade was completed. Mike Miller and a filler (not sure who) were coming over with Pau, but Memphis decided against it. Heisler in the L.A. Times was the first to report it.

[InsideOut]

Other than to save money, I fail to see how the Gasol trade helps the Griz at all. If you are the Griz and trying to build for the future, trading an all-star big man I'd like to think you'd demand to get back either top picks or young guys with all-star potential. The picks will be very late so they won't help and none of the players they received are being talked about as future all-stars. They did get the expiring deal but what good does that do? Name me the best FA the Griz has ever signed? Now tell me why any great player is going to sign as a FA with a pathetic Griz team. I don't blame the Griz for wanting to rebuild but at least get a high lotto pick or sure fire future great player.