New trade proposal for michael redd reported

[JDaWg1000]

aaccording to the wiretap article. a the cavaliers wnat to send michael redd to the cavs in exchange for Anderson Varejao and Wally Szczerbiak. what do you all think of this and the possibilitiy of this happening

[BrewCityBBQ]

Wow, and thats highway robbery.

[DariusRickyMilesDavis]

I don't think it's new and nobody thinks it's happening. Piecing through a few rumors I thought that this deal might look a bit more realistic.

Cleveland Out: AV, Wally, 19
Cleveland In: Michael Redd

Milwaukee Out: Michael Redd, 8
Milwaukee In: Brandan Wright, Wally, 14, 19

Golden State Out: Brandan Wright, 14
Golden State In: AV, 8

[Tommy Udo 6]

Chris Mullin is adamant that he is not trading Wright. He said all "rumors" about such a trade have no basis. It's in all Bay Area media.

Forget the Wright part

[DariusRickyMilesDavis]

I'm sure there's about a 0% chance of it happening but I do see some reasons for GS to do it if they are thinking about a small window.

[B Mac]

First of all Jbizness has shown in the only two posts Ive read from him that he is severely overrating what kind of return he is going to get for Redd. While AV and Wally likely isnt enough to get it done, it is a solid base and we can still afford to take back some of the Bucks horrendous contracts as well. Reminds me of how Kings fans ran rampant on our board and ripped all over us for our offers for Bibby, only to have them coming back weeks later and wishing they got an offer half as good in the end.

Secondly, I dont put much stock into GM's saying in public that they arent going to trade so and so... Big deal. We've all heard that a hundred times and then the next thing you know, so and so got traded for a deal that was "too good to pass up". Its all about playing the media games with agents and other GM's. Its probably quite likely that Mullin does not want to trade Wright, but I also highly doubt that he is untouchable.

[Rise Against]

This deal would make me happy.

[TheOUTLAW]

I have no idea why so many people seem willing to just toss in a first rounder. This team is sorely in need of more another big especially if they move Varejao. I just don't see them trading out of the draft.

[DariusRickyMilesDavis]

It's not necessarily a "toss-in." It just made my deal make a whole lot more sense.

Personally I think we are overvaluing our pick more than JBiz is overvaluing Redd. 19 could mean Shannon Brown. It could mean Trajan Langdon. It could mean Desagna Diop. If 19 is the difference between a player like Michael Redd or Elton Brand being on the Cavs or not being on the Cavs, IMO it is pretty close to a non-issue. I'm not saying I'm happy about there being no good young bigs on the roster-but that doesn't really change minus AV and 19.

[pilprin]

Since AV and Yi have the same agent and they play the same position, I'd thing a third team would need to be involved or the Bucks would need to follow up with a Yi trade.

[TheOUTLAW]

Sure the 19th pick can be a bust, but busts happen all through the draft. Langdon was an 11th pick (although he had bust written all over him from the start). There are also contributing players that happen later in the draft like Z, Varejao and Boozer (for that matter Redd himself). The fact is that good players can be found all through the draft and consistently good teams tend to mine the draft like gold and find good players (see the Spurs).

[Benedict_Boozer]

I'm with Outlaw, we can't afford to be dumping 1st rounders if at all possible.

That said I still make the AV+Wally+19 trade for Redd+bad contract filler, because you have to think we can snag a 1st/2nd rounder off a team with multiple picks like Seattle or a team looking to dump a pick like Portland.

There should be some decent bigs still left even in the 2nd round like Dorsey.

[Baseline Runner]

So if we are very, very lucky we may get someone who will become a player of Redd's caliber 3 or 4 years down the road. This is your plan?

Remind me if I'm wrong but we've been on the verge of winning NBA championships for the past two years. We have the MVP caliber superstar, we have the defense and we have the role players. The only missing piece is a secondary scorer that can shore up our offense. There are lots of players other than Redd that might fit that bill, although I think he is one of the best. We need to do all we can to get that secondary player short of gutting our team, even if it means trading our draft pick which has little value to us and does not reduce our depth.

[DariusRickyMilesDavis]

Great post.

And Outlaw I get your point-good players slip...there's no question about it. Does that mean that every team selling a second rounder is stupid because Michael Redd might be sitting there? To cross sports lines, is a 6th rounder worth a ton because Tom Brady got picked there? Just because there might be a good guy at the pick, that doesn't mean the pick is very valuable. The truth is that we have maybe an 20% chance of getting a solid contributor between picks 15-25. It's a crap shoot. The best management teams find gems but since when do we have the best management? We aren't the Spurs. Here are the previous guys taken at 19

95-Randolph Childress
96-Walter McCarthy
97-Scot Pollard
98-Pat Garrity
99-Quincy Lewis
00-Jamaal Magloire
01-Zach Randolph
02-Ryan Humphrey
03-Pavlovic
04-Dorell Wright
05-Gerald Green
06-Quincy Douby
07-Javaris Crittenton

Is there a single one of the guys worth sacrificing Redd/2nd scoring option for? No chance. If we have to move 19 to get it done I bet Ferry moves it.

[mg]

There's about a 0% chance Fegan agrees to a Varajao trade to Milwuakee.

The only very slight chance I see of Redd ending up in Cleveland would be to trade Andy to Golden State for their trade exeption and the #14 pick if the W's are looking for a big man to win now. Then package the #14 with another first rounder and expirings for Redd. That would be steep and the Bucks might even shoot that deal down.

In the meantime it seems Ferry is checking out all avenues to improve through the draft and trades..we'll just have to be patient and see how it all plays out. I still personally prefer a 2 guard who can create a bit more off the dribble than Redd and play a little defense but I certainly wouldn't mind seeing him in a Cavs uni.

[Wise1]

Outlaw is nutz if he wouldn't give up the #19 for a chance to pair Redd with Lebron James. What are you thinking man? lol.

I wonder if your King would rather play with Redd or some unproven collegiate. How would James feel if he found out that the #19 pick in a weak draft was the deal breaker in finally getting a TRUE #2 guy to take pressure off of him? I'm guessing he'd be pissed.

[Rise Against]

It's a bit ludicrous on how unlucky we have been drafting in the first round lately with the exception of LeBron.. Look at all those busts we have been getting. Luke Jackson, Dajuan Wagner, Trojan Condom.. I sure as hell wouldn't mind giving up the 19th pick to get Michael Redd in a Cavs uniform.

[Baseline Runner]

Just to keep the draft in perspective, almost all of the top players in the league were top 10 picks. The chances of getting a franchise player at #19 is almost nil. You name the player whether Duncan, Garnett, Pierce, Chris Paul, Kobe, Bosh, McGrady, Dwight Howard, Baron Davis, Anthony, Iverson, Elton Brand, Ming, Stoudamire, Wade, Nowtizki, Lebron, etc., etc. were all top 10 picks. The only guys that I can think of who are top players that slipped are Gilbert Arenas, Carlos Boozer, Manu Ginobili, Steve Nash, Ron Artest and Michael Redd. Thats 6 guys in the past 10 years out of several hundred picks. And even those 6 players took several years to develop into top players.

If you go back in the past whether Jordan, Olajuwon, Barkely, Shaq, D Rob, Gary Payton, Bird, Magic, Ewing, etc. were all top picks as well. Sure a guy like Tim Hardaway or Reggie Miller slips into the teens once in awhile but all you can really hope for with late picks is a decent role player. The top talent will almost always get snatched up in the top ten.

[BrewCityBBQ]

First of all Jbizness has shown in the only two posts Ive read from him that he is severely overrating what kind of return he is going to get for Redd. While AV and Wally likely isnt enough to get it done, it is a solid base and we can still afford to take back some of the Bucks horrendous contracts as well. Reminds me of how Kings fans ran rampant on our board and ripped all over us for our offers for Bibby, only to have them coming back weeks later and wishing they got an offer half as good in the end.

Secondly, I dont put much stock into GM's saying in public that they arent going to trade so and so... Big deal. We've all heard that a hundred times and then the next thing you know, so and so got traded for a deal that was "too good to pass up". Its all about playing the media games with agents and other GM's. Its probably quite likely that Mullin does not want to trade Wright, but I also highly doubt that he is untouchable.

Ok, maybe I might be overrating Redd in what we can get back for him. But I'm just not ready to dump Redd for AV and Wally. I am actually a fan of Michael Redd (I know, crazy right). I just dont want to see him get dumped for spare parts. The man can flat out play the game, and he catches a lot of flak for his defense. Which is warranted to a degree. But seriously the Milwaukee Bucks last year just gave up. That includes everyone. I honestly think Cleveland, straight up is not a good trade partner for Milwaukee. If they got a third team involved well then we'll see.

[B Mac]

First of all Jbizness has shown in the only two posts Ive read from him that he is severely overrating what kind of return he is going to get for Redd. While AV and Wally likely isnt enough to get it done, it is a solid base and we can still afford to take back some of the Bucks horrendous contracts as well. Reminds me of how Kings fans ran rampant on our board and ripped all over us for our offers for Bibby, only to have them coming back weeks later and wishing they got an offer half as good in the end.

Secondly, I dont put much stock into GM's saying in public that they arent going to trade so and so... Big deal. We've all heard that a hundred times and then the next thing you know, so and so got traded for a deal that was "too good to pass up". Its all about playing the media games with agents and other GM's. Its probably quite likely that Mullin does not want to trade Wright, but I also highly doubt that he is untouchable.

Ok, maybe I might be overrating Redd in what we can get back for him. But I'm just not ready to dump Redd for AV and Wally. I am actually a fan of Michael Redd (I know, crazy right). I just dont want to see him get dumped for spare parts. The man can flat out play the game, and he catches a lot of flak for his defense. Which is warranted to a degree. But seriously the Milwaukee Bucks last year just gave up. That includes everyone. I honestly think Cleveland, straight up is not a good trade partner for Milwaukee. If they got a third team involved well then we'll see.

OK thats fine I can accept that. I definately know Redd is a great talent, thats why I want him so badly on this team.