Trade Ideas NOT including Josh Howard...

[your_dallas_mavericks]

Let's face it, it looks like Josh Howard could be part of this team for a while. I am seeing 8 FA on the roster if Eddie Jones decides to become a FA. I see this team moving forward WITH Howard, not without him. So, who that is currently signed do we trade?

Great Chance
Bass
Stack

Slight Chance (if teams are willing to take on contract)
Terry
Damp

NO Chance
Kidd

Wouldn't want to trade
Josh Howard
Dirk

Basically, let's look at trading Stack and Bass and maybe signing and trading our own FA instead of trading Josh Howard...

Edit: changed title to Josh Howard

[your_dallas_mavericks]

Okay, here's one...

Bass to OKC for whomever is taken with the 24th pick in the draft.

OKC has a PF in case Wilcox does not re-sign and Bass's an expiring after the 08-09 season.

According to the Mock Draft on RealGM these are the players potentially available at 24:

FC Alexis Ajinca
SF Bill Walker
C Javale McGee
SF Nicolas Batum
SG J.R. Giddens
SF Ryan Anderson
SG Courtney Lee
PF Jason Thompson
PF Serge Ibaka

I say go for JR Giddens, hands down.

Edit: Changed who I say the Mavs should go for...

[mrmreg]

Okay, here's one...

Bass to OKC for whomever is taken with the 24th pick in the draft.

I would say that's not enough for Bass. Bass was a solid contributor last year. I understand that his postion is not the biggest need for the Mavs, but trading him for a mid-twenties pick likely results in a guy who contributes very little. Given Bass's contract situation and position, I wouldn't have a big problem seeing him traded, but I think they need either a first half of round 1 pick, or a solid player at a position of bigger need.

Assuming Chicago takes Rose, they'll have an excess of guards. Ben Gordon would look nice as the starting SG here alongside Kidd. Bass isn't enough to get Gordon, but maybe he could be part of a combination.

How about if Minn takes OJ Mayo. Does that free up Corey Brewer? Does Bass compliment Al Jefferson's game, or does he have the same problem as here with Dirk?

[Pointguard01]

I think Minny wants a big body next to Jefferson to move him to PF. He can play center position, because his size and style of game in comparison to Dirk, but I think MIN doesnt want him taking all the punishment downlow and get another big body. Not sure Bass at 6'7/6'8 is what they want. But I agree that's selling Bass short.

The best bet is to move Bass with Terry/Stack/Howard and bring in an upgrade at a position. I dont hink trading them seperately does anything for us, espically Bass since he's what, 22 or 23 years old right now. He is basically as young and as athletic as anyone in the draft and he damn sure has proved more in the league than risking it on a low first round pick. There would be no point in that trade, except hoping we came away with a steal.

Plus, the likliness that any late 1st round pick is anything more than a backup the next 2 years is unlikely. Bass will be getting much more time off the bench than any late 1st.

[Teffer10]

Drafting Giddens at 24 would be the same as trading Bass for Ager.
Take it from a Jayhawker...no way do we want to waste a pick and our time on that knucklehead. McGee would be an interesting pick though.

I agree that Bass and Stack should be shopped aggressively as a package this summer. If DG needs to be included as a S&T to make something happen, I could see that happening as well.

[Teffer10]

I don't see the Mavs trading Bass for a younger or less experienced player. That simply doesn't make any sense for what the Mavs are attempting to do.

Bass needs to be included in a deal that will land us a 2nd option behind Dirk.

I still think Bass, Jones, George and Stack for VC and Diop has a chance.
Then sign Brian Skinner to vet min as Dirk's backup...a guy who is big enough to be insurance at the center spot if needed.

Kidd/Terry
VC/Wright
Howard/R. Terry
Dirk/Skinner
Damp/Diop

We still have the MLE to fill any area of need (backup SF or PF).
I would even consider Howard and Terry for Marion if that was possible.

[dtownmavs41]

I like that, I'm not sure if the Nets would want to do that but they want cap room to go after LeBron and VC has a contract that goes through that time so who knows, stranger things have happened. I would love if we could do that and get Diop as well to keep our MLE open to other options. I don't think we would be able to get the contracts to work out unless they could get George to S&T for a big amount.

[dirkforpres]

JET for Maggette? I know it was proposed last summer, but its still a good deal

[your_dallas_mavericks]

I don't see the Mavs trading Bass for a younger or less experienced player. That simply doesn't make any sense for what the Mavs are attempting to do.

Bass needs to be included in a deal that will land us a 2nd option behind Dirk.

I still think Bass, Jones, George and Stack for VC and Diop has a chance.
Then sign Brian Skinner to vet min as Dirk's backup...a guy who is big enough to be insurance at the center spot if needed.

Kidd/Terry
VC/Wright
Howard/R. Terry
Dirk/Skinner
Damp/Diop

We still have the MLE to fill any area of need (backup SF or PF).
I would even consider Howard and Terry for Marion if that was possible.

I hate to burst your bubble but Jones has said if he gets put in a trade offer he will retire. Any trade involving George is fool's gold. George can and will veto it unless he gets a bunch of money. No GM (even Thorn) would want to overpay George (and Jones as well) to get rid of Carter. Carter has value and has expressed specifically he didn't want to play with Kidd in NJ, why would that change in Dallas? C'mon now, don't make me go JES12 on ya here! This trade just doesn't work.

Jersey drafts another C in the draft (probably at 10) and because of that ends up having no reason to re-sign Diop anyway. Diop wants to come home. Trust me, he will cost the team a lot less in a FA signing rather than a sign and trade.

I looked at every trade offer when I made my compliation. Having Carter come here made no sense and I never considered bringing him here. SGs are like RBs in the NFL, they are better younger, not older. JR Giddens is the man.

[Pointguard01]

JET for Maggette? I know it was proposed last summer, but its still a good deal

Clippers wont do it.

JR Giddens is the man.

He wouldnt get any playing time. And even if he did, whats the chances of him being any good.

[MainEv3nt]

we shud go after michael redd

[dirkforpres]

we shud go after michael redd

Highly doubt Milwaukee trades Redd for anyone other than J-Ho

[Teffer10]

I don't see the Mavs trading Bass for a younger or less experienced player. That simply doesn't make any sense for what the Mavs are attempting to do.

Bass needs to be included in a deal that will land us a 2nd option behind Dirk.

I still think Bass, Jones, George and Stack for VC and Diop has a chance.
Then sign Brian Skinner to vet min as Dirk's backup...a guy who is big enough to be insurance at the center spot if needed.

Kidd/Terry
VC/Wright
Howard/R. Terry
Dirk/Skinner
Damp/Diop

We still have the MLE to fill any area of need (backup SF or PF).
I would even consider Howard and Terry for Marion if that was possible.

I hate to burst your bubble but Jones has said if he gets put in a trade offer he will retire. Any trade involving George is fool's gold. George can and will veto it unless he gets a bunch of money. No GM (even Thorn) would want to overpay George (and Jones as well) to get rid of Carter. Carter has value and has expressed specifically he didn't want to play with Kidd in NJ, why would that change in Dallas? C'mon now, don't make me go JES12 on ya here! This trade just doesn't work.

Jersey drafts another C in the draft (probably at 10) and because of that ends up having no reason to re-sign Diop anyway. Diop wants to come home. Trust me, he will cost the team a lot less in a FA signing rather than a sign and trade.

I looked at every trade offer when I made my compliation. Having Carter come here made no sense and I never considered bringing him here. SGs are like RBs in the NFL, they are better younger, not older. JR Giddens is the man.

George only refused the trade because of his bird's rights. This is exactly what he is looking for, a huge amount of money even if it is for one year. If the Nets are looking to dump VCs contract, the Mavs should consider. If him and Kidd can't get along, tough crap. VC is one of the best players that might be available in the off-season and if we can get someone of his caliber without giving up Kidd or Dirk then we have to make it happen. The Mavs don't have alot of options so I would rather take a chance on VC and Kidd not getting along, than on guys like Wright and R. Terry taking their games to much higher levels. The Mavs are not in a position to be picky, they must go after the best player without giving up any of our top players. VC might be the best option because of his contract. NJ might do this deal even if George is "fools gold" because it would save them a ton of money.

Why hold on to VC's huge contract if that isn't the direction they are going? With all of their youth and draft picks, I would think they would be interested in dumping his contract and add some youth and put them in a position to sign some FAs in the next few years. Yes, they might be able to get more for him, but the Mavs should at least go after him because he is one of the best available players which isn't exactly saying much.

[your_dallas_mavericks]

I don't see the Mavs trading Bass for a younger or less experienced player. That simply doesn't make any sense for what the Mavs are attempting to do.

Bass needs to be included in a deal that will land us a 2nd option behind Dirk.

I still think Bass, Jones, George and Stack for VC and Diop has a chance.
Then sign Brian Skinner to vet min as Dirk's backup...a guy who is big enough to be insurance at the center spot if needed.

Kidd/Terry
VC/Wright
Howard/R. Terry
Dirk/Skinner
Damp/Diop

We still have the MLE to fill any area of need (backup SF or PF).
I would even consider Howard and Terry for Marion if that was possible.

I hate to burst your bubble but Jones has said if he gets put in a trade offer he will retire. Any trade involving George is fool's gold. George can and will veto it unless he gets a bunch of money. No GM (even Thorn) would want to overpay George (and Jones as well) to get rid of Carter. Carter has value and has expressed specifically he didn't want to play with Kidd in NJ, why would that change in Dallas? C'mon now, don't make me go JES12 on ya here! This trade just doesn't work.

Jersey drafts another C in the draft (probably at 10) and because of that ends up having no reason to re-sign Diop anyway. Diop wants to come home. Trust me, he will cost the team a lot less in a FA signing rather than a sign and trade.

I looked at every trade offer when I made my compliation. Having Carter come here made no sense and I never considered bringing him here. SGs are like RBs in the NFL, they are better younger, not older. JR Giddens is the man.

George only refused the trade because of his bird's rights. This is exactly what he is looking for, a huge amount of money even if it is for one year. If the Nets are looking to dump VCs contract, the Mavs should consider. If him and Kidd can't get along, tough crap. VC is one of the best players that might be available in the off-season and if we can get someone of his caliber without giving up Kidd or Dirk then we have to make it happen. The Mavs don't have alot of options so I would rather take a chance on VC and Kidd not getting along, than on guys like Wright and R. Terry taking their games to much higher levels. The Mavs are not in a position to be picky, they must go after the best player without giving up any of our top players. VC might be the best option because of his contract. NJ might do this deal even if George is "fools gold" because it would save them a ton of money.

Why hold on to VC's huge contract if that isn't the direction they are going? With all of their youth and draft picks, I would think they would be interested in dumping his contract and add some youth and put them in a position to sign some FAs in the next few years. Yes, they might be able to get more for him, but the Mavs should at least go after him because he is one of the best available players which isn't exactly saying much.

You know what teffer, you sold me. You make sense. It's just getting Jones and George to agree on it. Maybe Stack gets waived and returns here. That could even strengthen our team...

Let's set it up with what you said, but with Stack being waived and returning to the Mavs. Let's also add some of the players I mentioned.

Kidd/Terry/McLeod
Carter/Stack/Sebuitis
Howard/Wright/R. Terry
Dirk/#51 pick/Pops
Damp/Diop/Skinner

There would probably be no decent C at #51 so the Mavs would take a PF instead. If they can move up about 20 spots or so to take FC Nathan Jawai it would be absolutely sweet.

Great Starting Five; Solid bench with Terry, Stack, and Diop

[your_dallas_mavericks]

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[Teffer10]

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I'd be happy with that lineup. Nice creativity with the draft picks.

What can you tell me about Jawai?

[your_dallas_mavericks]

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NBA Comparison: Charles Oakley
Strengths: Bruising bigman with a raw, unpolished game but shows a great deal of potential with his soft touch, size, strength and explosiveness ... He's 6-10 but plays bigger with long arms and excellent leaping ability ... Highly aggressive, loves to dunk on guys and really enjoys playing physical ... His attitude is one of his biggest positives. He can get angry and emotional, but that actually helps His game and does not hurt it. He is not foul prone either. he likes to get rough, can do the dirty work and shows passion ... Shows a soft shooting touch from the line at close to 70% which is a good sign that his offensive game can further develop. He's a good mid-range shooter and he displayed a nice variety of offense moves ... Considering his lack of experience playing the game at a high level, his (natural) feel for the game is very good ... He's a quality passer for a bigman, recognizing double teams and finding the open man ...has a good set of hands, catches the ball well, and secures the ball well on rebounds with his strong arms and sure hands ...

Weaknesses: He needs to keep developing his feel for the game and all around skills, but in particular his post skills ... Right now he is very poor at putting the ball on the floor, so getting better at knowing how and when to use the dribble to create shots without exposing the ball is key ... Does not run the floor well and lacks great foot speed ... He's very limited facing the basket and better with his back to the basket ... Still needs a bit of work on his stamina. He can only play stretches before his great size and lack of experience catch up with him and he needs a breather ... Working on conditioning will help him to become more consistent from game to game. He's above 280 right now and would be most effective at around 270 ...

Notes: Considered by International scouts as a potential late first rounder for the 2008 draft ... Jawai is averaging 18 and 10 in his first season of professional basketball (in the Australian league) ...
Aran Smith - 12/29/2007

[MavfanAus]

I've seen a bit of Nathan down here, very good talent, but not ready for the NBA. We need someone who can help us right away, yes the mavericks are in panic mode right now, Kidd won't last forever.

As for Nathan though, he's a huge talent but far too raw. His inside game will help alot of teams out, but his overall basketball IQ is below average.

[your_dallas_mavericks]

I've seen a bit of Nathan down here, very good talent, but not ready for the NBA. We need someone who can help us right away, yes the mavericks are in panic mode right now, Kidd won't last forever.

As for Nathan though, he's a huge talent but far too raw. His inside game will help alot of teams out, but his overall basketball IQ is below average.

I will take it from an Aussie more than anyone here. Thanks for the infor MavfanAus.

[studcrackers]

well since miami is supposedly shopping there pick and a little hesitant on beasley this is the perfect time to get into the miami sweepstakes. for people in favor of rebuilding this would be the time. theres a .5% chance of it happening but id be in favor of a dirk for marion/#2 pick and take beasley off there hands

if i was to do that id ship howard off for another draft pick too and then either try and trade kidd for expirings or make him playout the season so we get his and marions cap relief after the season

the chance to really change this team could begin now but it wont happen in all likelyhood