Fair Value for Mayo in LAC

shrink · Post #1 » by **shrink** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:10 am

On the RealGM Trade Board, most posters try to make deals that balance, talent-for-talent. Good posters try to make sure the salaries make sense as well. But very few posters keep in mind that for these businesses, the money isn't simply outgoing in contracts. The money is incoming as well, and for these revenues, some players are more profitable in certain cities than others. For example, we had a big discussion over Yi two weeks ago, where GSW posters said they shouldn't have to give up more talent that Yi provides, while others said, "Sure you should, because your team makes more money!" Teams make money through more than wins -- they do it through ticket sales, through merchandising, and through general buzz that a player can create. And that's specificly my point when I look at many of the offers for OJ Mayo.

There is probably no player in the last 3 drafts (with the exception of maybe Oden), that would be a more profitable player specifically for the Clippers. Many LA natives have been waiting for OJ Mayo's draft since he was in ninth grade! Sure, he's a terrific fit, and they cleared out the PG spot right away by dumping Livingston (another lottery pick). Sure, he's demonstrated more loyalty to a town than any draft pick I can think of, with his antics to pick his college team in California. Mayo wants to be a star, so the Clippers know he will be loyal to LA. Moreover, as Kobe ages, Mayo has the skills, the personality, and more importantly, the hype to take Kobe's place as the king of LA, and allow the ugly sister clippers to become the fashionable team. But the big benefit to Mayo in LA is marketing. Imagine the ticket sales! Imagine the merchandising! Imagine the jolt a team like the CLIPPERS would get if they became the future stars of LA over the Lakers! While we dispassionate RealGM posters can step back and look at talent and wins, what owner can say "no" to having the $70 mil he's dropping on salaries come back to him with pats on the back around town?

Let's say that Mayo is worth $1 to MIN, and LAC is offering $1.10. That's fair, right? Maybe not, if Mayo is worth $5 to LAC.

The difference in value of Mayo in MIN vs LAC is huge, so a deal that helps both teams should be pretty easy to find. However, this deal should help both teams equally to be fair. LAC should expect to overpay in on court talent and expect to get paid back in off-court marketing and re-connecting with the casual LA fan. Both teams can win in this trade. Shoot for $3.

shrink · Post #2 » by **shrink** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:15 am

oops- sorry guys, I thought I was on the trade board.

Rev, if you want to delete this post, be my guest -- it seems the "delete post" option doesn't work for us peons.

big3_8_19_21 · Post #3 » by **big3_8_19_21** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:36 am

well, I'll respond anyway...

the whole issue here is finding that $3

Using those ratios, DAMN I hope we can get back triple his value to us

I'm kidding of course, I get your point.

big3_8_19_21 · Post #4 » by **big3_8_19_21** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:40 am

Well, since we don't like 3 for 7 and our pick back and LAC doesn't like 3 for 7 and Kaman, what if we added some sweeteners? Our 2nd rounders? Maybe package our 2nd rounders for another 1st this year and give them someone else they want plus send Walker's expiring? Heck, they could send Brand to Miami for Beasley if they figure out contracts as well and have one heck of an up-and-coming squad.

Mayo
Maggette
Thornton
Beasley
asset we trade them

Of course that all depends on who's there at 7 and what the other asset would be.

shrink · Post #5 » by **shrink** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:24 am

big3_8_19_21 wrote:Well, since we don't like 3 for 7 and our pick back and LAC doesn't like 3 for 7 and Kaman, what if we added some sweeteners? .

I do not believe LAC posters put any of the value in merchandising and business concerns that a REAL GM would. Posters want to make trades to maximize wins, not profit.

I think that the true Cllipper's front office would give Kaman and #7 in a heartbeat.

Post #6 » by **TheFranchise21** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 3:11 am

Many LA natives have been waiting for OJ Mayo's draft since he was in ninth grade!

Proof? Mayo, as far as I know, had no link to LA before he enrolled at USC. How can the LA fans be waiting for him when he had no link to their city pre-college? He went to high schools in Kentucky, Ohio and West Virginia.

I agree with the LAC needing Mayo, but I think the comment you made above was fabricated in order to enhance your argument.

Before everyone goes and annoints him the next Kobe and the savior for LA, let me remind everyone that the Kobes, Jordans, Vince Carters, Tracy McGradys etc. of the world have wingspans of 6'11 or greater. Mayo's is only 6'6. I'm not saying he can't be a superstar like them, I'm just saying all the huge superstar SGs you can think of have large wingspans. History does not prove to be on OJ's side.

Everyone talks about Mayo's "superstar potential" and "star quality" but the fact is, he doesn't have the physical makeup of a superstar. Those players I mentioned are superstars because they have both supreme talent, and freakish physical qualities. Mayo only has one of the two.

As far was for our team, I like Mayo. I think he's a good complementary player to Al Jefferson. I don't think he's going to be a top five SG in the league, but certainly top ten.

shrink · Post #7 » by **shrink** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 3:22 am

TheFranchise21 wrote:
Many LA natives have been waiting for OJ Mayo's draft since he was in ninth grade!

Proof? Mayo, as far as I know, had no link to LA before he enrolled at USC. How can the LA fans be waiting for him when he had no link to their city pre-college? He went to high schools in Kentucky, Ohio and West Virginia.

I agree with the LAC needing Mayo, but I think the comment you made above was fabricated in order to enhance your argument.

I thought he was from the LA area, and that was why he locked into USC? I can say he was on the top of the draft charts since 10th grade, and its only this year that he slid out from #1. I apologize if I made a mistake on his background -- it wasn't intended, and I take offense that you call it "fabricated in order to enhance your argument." That is an insult to my honesty and my character.

Post #8 » by **TheFranchise21** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 3:51 am

I apologize. I didn't mean it to offend you. What I meant was, you were just listing off a bunch of things without looking into if those things were true or not, in an effort to enhance your argument.

D1SGRUNTL3D · Post #9 » by **D1SGRUNTL3D** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 3:56 am

Mayos from West Virginia