06/19 ESPN & DX.com Speculation

aaprigs311 · Post #621 » by **aaprigs311** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:39 pm

Couldn't tell ya. Probably has an office position within the organization. Anyways, anyone come closer on trade speculation today Wich?

pilprin · Post #622 » by **pilprin** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:25 am

What do we have that Miami Might want?

I just can't see us having enough firepower to move up to #2.

If they had interest in redd....Maybe, but I doubt it.

The best package I can see for them is Mo, Yi, and #8. I doubt that is enought to go to #2.

For Beasley, I'd do it.

I might consider trading Bogut if I could keep #8. Note the word - Might

aaprigs311 · Post #623 » by **aaprigs311** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:30 am

I'd do Mo, Yi, 8 for Beasley. It's close. Especially if we'd take on Blount's ugly contract.

Post #624 » by **ReasonablySober** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:03 am

when minnesota came up on the radio tonight Ford brought up Milwaukee and CV first as a trade possibility. Is he just that out of touch with reality or have we all just underestimated CV's value? I mean, he is still young, talented and on a r ookie deal.

Post #625 » by **paulpressey25** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:18 am

DrugBust wrote:Is he just that out of touch with reality or have we all just underestimated CV's value? I mean, he is still young, talented and on a r ookie deal.

Where did you hear that? Was Ford just on a Minny station?

I think it is both. Ford is probably hearing what the Bucks have on the table (CV/8) and Minny hasn't said that is good enough, but is waiting until draft night to sort out all offers. It probably won't be good enough.

But I also think CV is undervalued here because we just haven't gotten much out of the guy the last two years. Woelfel made a comment a few months back that one guy in the league told him he thought CV might be the Bucks best trade bait given his potential and cheap contract.

I'll make the case. CV as a starter was 14.9ppg/8.0rpg on 43% shooting/82% from the line/31% from 3. His season high point game was 38 and he had a two 16 rebound games.

For a 6-10" guy that is only 23 years old, there will always be a team in the league that will take a flyer on something like that hoping that it matures or fits well into a better system. Especially since you've got him for two more years if you want on a cheap rookie deal.

You can afford him in your lineup if you've got veteran defenders around him. In our case it was a recipe for disaster with no other defenders and the whole "Yi" situation that Larry K. had to manage.

europa · Post #626 » by **europa** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:23 am

I think there are a few possibilities with regard to Villanueva/8 to Minnesota:

1. It's baseless. Ford and everyone else speculating about it (and plenty of people around the league are - this isn't a rumor just floating around an online fan forum) are speculating on a pure flight of fantasy.

2. This draft isn't all that strong so while Villanueva's value isn't great it's good enough in this particular draft to help the Bucks potentially move up.

3. Villanueva's value is higher than some (most?) of us in this forum believe to be the case. Perhaps a number of people around the league are prepared to ignore his putrid defense, his inconsistent shooting and his inconsistent production to take a chance on a 6-10 guy who can score.

4. Kevin McHale is an idiot. He's still in a state of euphoria from handing his former team the NBA title and he's going to wheel and deal the T'Wolves into oblivion.

5. The T'Wolves absolutely do not want to take anyone on the board at 3 (either Mayo or Love) and want to trade down but Villanueva/8 is the best offer they're getting so far.

I think No. 4 is the most logical option

but I wouldn't rule out No. 5. Perhaps the T'Wolves really want to trade down but they can't get the deal they like so they keep coming back to the Bucks, who keep offering Villanueva/8 for 3.

Simulack · Post #627 » by **Simulack** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:24 am

aaprigs311 wrote:I'd do Mo, Yi, 8 for Beasley. It's close. Especially if we'd take on Blount's ugly contract.

I'd do that without hesitation as well. I'm going to be very bummed out on Thursday if teams move up to acquire either Mayo or Beasley and it looks like a package we could have trumped. I'm probably not as worried about overpaying as some - to me if you peg a guy as having all-star plus type talent, you should be willing to "overpay" because, if you are right, a few years done the line its not going to matter if pieces like CV (as just an example) were added into the trade.

Bernman · Post #628 » by **Bernman** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:26 am

AgainstMe! wrote:
AgainstMe! wrote:sorry that i am asking, im sure it was already answered somewhere, but i couldnt find it...

but who is Wichame, and how does he have inside info?

anyone know? thanks in advance

wichame is wichmae, a poster here at Real. Nobody is positive how he gained connections or who they are specifically. If I recall right he's a UWM grad student and was involved in organizing Michael Redd's speaking engagement at the university where I'm also an alum. That's how he may have acquired his connections.

xTitan · Post #629 » by **xTitan** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:30 am

As of now the Bucks won't trade up...keep 8 or move all the way out.......

El Duderino · Post #630 » by **El Duderino** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:33 am

europa wrote:I think there are a few possibilities with regard to Villanueva/8 to Minnesota:

1. It's baseless. Ford and everyone else speculating about it (and plenty of people around the league are - this isn't a rumor just floating around an online fan forum) are speculating on a pure flight of fantasy.

I don't buy for a second that Villanueva is enough to trade from #8 to #3

Post #631 » by **ReasonablySober** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:33 am

Ford made it sound like Minnesota wants and needs Lopez but they would like to get another asset and feel they could him at 7 or 8.

Ford also said similar things about Miami. Riley is desperate about two things: winning next year and finding a PG. They feel Mayo could play next to Wade but like Minnesota they also want mutiple assets.

europa · Post #632 » by **europa** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:33 am

xTitan wrote:As of now the Bucks won't trade up...keep 8 or move all the way out.......

This would seem to imply a trade for a veteran player. I'm down with that (assuming the player is a decent one, of course). I will continue to hold out hope Hammond doesn't stand pat at 8. I'll gladly trade the pick for a quality starter.

Simulack · Post #633 » by **Simulack** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:34 am

Although I doubt CV and #8 is going to move us up to 3, I think we overvalue draft picks this time of year and what type of offer it is going to take to move up.

A few years back Chicago wanted Tyrus Thomas and knew Portland wanted Aldridge but all they could get out of Portland for essentially swapping the #2 and #4 pick was Viktor Khryapa. That was only a 2 pick swing instead of the 5 here but that was moving up to a top 2 pick.

Obviously it all depends on where people view the tiers between prospects. I don't know what GM's think but but mocks had both Mayo and Love all the way below 10 at various points after the NCAA season had ended. That was never the case with Beasley or Rose. If the guys available at 3 are viewed as more like the type of prospects available at 8 than Rose or Beasley, then the cost to move up to get one of them might not be exorbitant.

europa · Post #634 » by **europa** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:35 am

DrugBust wrote:Ford made it sound like Minnesota wants and needs Lopez but they would like to get another asset and feel they could him at 7 or 8.

This brings me back to my fifth point - McHale wants to trade down but perhaps the best offer he's getting right now is Villanueva/8 for 3 from the Bucks. Maybe this isn't a deal McHale wants to make but perhaps he'll feel it's the best offer he can make if he's truly determined to trade down.

And it figures McHale would rather have Lopez than Love or Mayo. As much as it can suck to be a Bucks fan, I feel worse for fans of the T'Wolves.

Simulack · Post #635 » by **Simulack** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:37 am

xTitan · Post #636 » by **xTitan** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:37 am

I'll make a prediction...alot could happen by Thursday or they could just choose Alexander....but there is alot of potential for people who have loved the hiring of Hammond and Skiles to question what they are doing as well.......if some things go down, this board could really blow-up on Thursday night. There are alot of teams talking trades and the Bucks are a definite player.

Bernman · Post #637 » by **Bernman** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:38 am

Simulack wrote:Although I doubt CV and #8 is going to move us up to 3, I think we overvalue draft picks this time of year and what type of offer it is going to take to move up.

A few years back Chicago wanted Tyrus Thomas and knew Portland wanted Aldridge but all they could get out of Portland for essentially swapping the #2 and #4 pick was Viktor Khryapa. That was only a 2 pick swing instead of the 5 here but that was moving up to a top 2 pick.

Obviously it all depends on where people view the tiers between prospects. I don't know what GM's think but but mocks had both Mayo and Love all the way below 10 at various points after the NCAA season had ended. That was never the case with Beasley or Rose. If the guys available at 3 are viewed as more like the type of prospects available at 8 than Rose or Beasley, then the cost to move up to get one of them might not be exorbitant.

Ah, a good perspective, Sim. There's obviously a difference between 2/4 and 3/8, but then again Charlie Villanueva is considerably more proven than Khryapa was. Villa + an expiring (Dez) + 8 for 3 and an albatross.....should seem perfectly reasonable in comparison. Those expecting Bogut on Minny's side AND #8, are smoking rock. Redd shouldn't be required to move from 8 to 3, but if we are planning on drafting Mayo, it makes sense. They can't co-exist on the court. But Minnesota should have to give us something else palatable in return.

europa · Post #638 » by **europa** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:40 am

xTitan wrote:I'll make a prediction...alot could happen by Thursday or they could just choose Alexander....but there is alot of potential for people who have loved the hiring of Hammond and Skiles to question what they are doing as well.......if some things go down, this board could really blow-up on Thursday night. There are alot of teams talking trades and the Bucks are a definite player.

I've been hearing a number of things as far as trades, staying put, moving up, moving down etc. The one thing that seems to be pretty consistent is nobody has a good feel for what Hammond is going to do. I'll say this about him - he's got everybody guessing right now.

KingCammo · Post #639 » by **KingCammo** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:42 am

xTitan wrote:I'll make a prediction...alot could happen by Thursday or they could just choose Alexander....but there is alot of potential for people who have loved the hiring of Hammond and Skiles to question what they are doing as well.......if some things go down, this board could really blow-up on Thursday night. There are alot of teams talking trades and the Bucks are a definite player

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Awesome, I love it when this board has hissy fits. I expect midranger to lead with fire and brimstone

xTitan · Post #640 » by **xTitan** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:45 am

europa wrote:
xTitan wrote:I'll make a prediction...alot could happen by Thursday or they could just choose Alexander....but there is alot of potential for people who have loved the hiring of Hammond and Skiles to question what they are doing as well.......if some things go down, this board could really blow-up on Thursday night. There are alot of teams talking trades and the Bucks are a definite player.

I've been hearing a number of things as far as trades, staying put, moving up, moving down etc. The one thing that seems to be pretty consistent is nobody has a good feel for what Hammond is going to do. I'll say this about him - he's got everybody guessing right now.

Actually i think he has been more upfront and honest then you know....if he stays at 8 you know there will be one of 2 players taken......or else he will put together a deal for a vet or 2, using the pick.....I don't see the Bucks moving up as of right now but that could change.

I will tell you this Bogut is going no where for a long time......and Hammond has some tricks up his sleeve and a definite plan.