Darrell Arthur....a King?

[SacKingZZZ]

I heard on 1320 (ESPN Radio) That Arthur hurt his back and didn't hire an agent. He canceled his workouts because of the back, and since he didn't have an agent he didn't go about scheduling future workouts properly.

Yeah I remember him saying his back was hurt do to uncomfortable flying conditions on his way to Seattle.

[Ballings7]

The more I think about it, the more I like Arthur as a pick for us. I think he has a lot of untapped abilities. Now I say "abilities" instead of "potential" because I think there are a lot of things that he can already do that weren't on full display at Kansas. He has shown some great passing abilities in certain situations--he's just not great at passing out of the post yet. His rebounding will get better, and isn't as bad as it would otherwise seem anyway. His mid-range shot looks like it can be consistent, he is pretty well-proven as a defender (being foul-prone certainly isn't something to ignore, but it's also not uncommon for young players), and it seems that more than anything he just had a problem with consistency. If he can continue to work on being more consistent, I think a lot of the supposed issues with him won't be so apparent.

Really well said. This is similar to how I feel about his out-look for the NBA.

Especially about his passing ability, which is definitely something he showed to enough of an extent, on a regular basis over his 2 years. And, yeah, learning to pass better out of the post will be something he works on, and will be better able to work on, and be effective with it in the NBA. Not being in the situation he had in college, anymore.

I think what's there with the consistency problem, is just being young, and not having a typical team situation in college. Considering the depth and quality of teams, Kansas had in the last two years. The other factor, like has been mentioned, is getting into foul trouble, effecting his playing time and his play at times.

All of that is quite fixable, along with other lesser areas, and really should be bettered. I also think certain weaknesses that were present in college, mean a lot less in relation to him playing and developing on an NBA team, combined with his maturation and work ethic.

[Smills91]

I like Arthur or Speights at 12 for us if Westbrook/Love are already gone(and the probably will be). I'm just not sold on Randolph. He reminds me Stromile WAYYYYY too much.

[ICMTM]

I agree with Mitch where I see a lot of qualities he has that the Jayhawks didn't ask Arthur to display. Qualities I think Petrie is fond of!

[_SRV_]

That reflects things I've read and seen since I myself found out about him, and to what I've been talking about lately on Alexander with the concerns and with his positives. I only really found out about him from the WVU elimination game, and have seen some more games of him since, and read up on him more.

That's really not what I'm arguing, I'm questioning why is Arthur more fit for PF than Alexander, you're quoting someone questioning Alexander's ability to guard SFs on the perimeter.

[_SRV_]

That's your problem here, like I said, you don't have much familarity with either player. If you're interested in more, go get more around the 'net. I posted a link to where you can watch full games online from the tournament in one of the draft threads here.

I know I don't have much familiarity with the players, but you don't need to watch games to know how tall, long and how much each player weighs...

You said about Alexander

Will be too small to play PF regardless, unless it's on a small-ball, running system based team. Which gets you success, but only a limited amount of it.

That is something that can be said about Arthur also who isn't far from Alexander physically (in fact he's inferior in some places), so I won't dismiss Alexander of size.

[_SRV_]

Yeah, pretty much. There is no question what one or the other is, size really has nothing to do with it. Arthur plays like a PF because he lacks the skill needed to play on the wing and has the physicalilty needed for the spot, and Alexander plays like a wing player.

Size has a lot to do with it, we have a thin center, who will never be a bruiser or anything close, putting a small PF next to him isn't the best solution.
I've been hearing this board complaining about players due to their foot speed, well, we'll solve that with Arthur, but we'll be creating another issue.

[Ballings7]

That's really not what I'm arguing, I'm questioning why is Arthur more fit for PF than Alexander, you're quoting someone questioning Alexander's ability to guard SFs on the perimeter.

There's nothing more I can say that hasn't been said on that already... Arthur's a PF, and Alexander lacks position definition.

It's over, man. Like I and others have indicated, and is just obvious from your lack of perspective - you need to gain increased familarity on each player, if you don't want to take into consideration what's been said by multiple posters in this thread. And if you don't want to do either of the two aformentioned things, I don't know what to tell you, do what you want.

And, the reason I posted that about Alexander above, was in relation to you asking why can't Alexander be a SF (which I previously referenced to as a starter, and his defined position).

And why can't he be a SF?

So, aside from what I've already said in general on the shakyness about Alexander being a SF, I also posted that for extra material. Partly of which I used to learn about him.

Also, the questions and concerns about Alexander that I and that guy mentioned are of the consensus view on him, as well.

Alexander absolutely has the will and work ethic to advance along as a player - but, will he have the right kind of physical make-up to be a defined foward? Only time will well there, really.

[BMiller52]

That reflects things I've read and seen since I myself found out about him, and to what I've been talking about lately on Alexander with the concerns and with his positives. I only really found out about him from the WVU elimination game, and have seen some more games of him since, and read up on him more.

That's really not what I'm arguing, I'm questioning why is Arthur more fit for PF than Alexander, you're quoting someone questioning Alexander's ability to guard SFs on the perimeter.

I already told you bro. Arthur has a stronger base and is a better post defender, he has a better standing reach, he's a better rebounder, a better shotblocker, a better offensive game, and is a similar athlete. Alexander wants to play as a SF, is hyped he'll get to be shooting NBA 3s(saw that in an interview somewhere, don't remember where though), wants to become a better ball handler, etc. Arthur's also a little taller.

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I already told you bro. Arthur has a stronger base and is a better post defender, he has a better standing reach, he's a better rebounder, a better shotblocker, a better offensive game, and is a similar athlete. Alexander wants to play as a SF, is hyped he'll get to be shooting NBA 3s(saw that in an interview somewhere, don't remember where though), wants to become a better ball handler, etc. Arthur's also a little taller.

I know BMiller, I just wanted to make my point clear.

There's nothing more I can say that hasn't been said on that already... Arthur's a PF, and Alexander lacks position definition.

It's over, man. Like I and others have indicated, and is just obvious from your lack of perspective - you need to gain increased familarity on each player, if you don't want to take into consideration what's been said by multiple posters in this thread. And if you don't want to do either of the two aformentioned things, I don't know what to tell you, do what you want.

Whatever rocks your boat, the truth is you dismissed Alexander because he's too "small", which doesn't make sense since he's not smaller than Arthur, but hey, if you don't have more to say, that's indicative of how much you know.

[miamiballer]

if augustin and arthur are both on the board who do you take?

[UKF]

DJ for sure! Of course it would depend on if we re-sign Beno or not, but I think we are in more need of a PG than a PF, and DJ is overall a better player. He would bring leadership at point and is a true PG. My mouth is watering just thinking of Kevin Martin and DJ Augustin filling out the backcourt. The only problem with DJ is that he is a bit under-sized but I think he will be able to make it in this league and eventually become and All-Star because his quickness and true PG skills will keep him afloat. I dont expect DJ to be sitting there when it is our turn, but Arthur most likely will, and that is who I think the Kings will end up drafting.

[Dustin5566]

does anyone else have nightmares that you will hear david stern say the name roy hibbert and the kings in the same sentance?

Hibbert makes Miller look like a track star!

[UKF]

does anyone else have nightmares that you will hear david stern say the name roy hibbert and the kings in the same sentance?

Hibbert makes Miller look like a track star!

I would throw up..

[Ballings7]

We really shouldn't draft Roy Hibbert unless it's with a 2nd 1st rounder, and he's going to be our back-up C (which is a scenario I'd love). I don't expect us to other-wise, because there is a serious lack of credibility in doing so. Consequently, resulting in serious questionability in what we are doing with the direction at PF/C. Or, there is actually a strange answer, in which we are just going to, dismiss, a required aspect for PF/C play, relating to defensive mobility.

I just don't get all the Hibbert talk for us at all. The only thing I can think of is people are trying to get attention and be different from other draft analysts. Chad Ford' had some other strange claims and speculation recently, as well (and in past years).

[SacKingZZZ]

At this point Augustin. Especially if we can get one of the 2nd round PF sleepers.

[Dustin5566]

I also think by drafting Hibbert it would be a big blow to Spencers ego!

[Smills91]

I also think by drafting Hibbert it would be a big blow to Spencers ego!

We republican's don't have egos.

[BMiller52]

I also think by drafting Hibbert it would be a big blow to Spencers ego!

We republican's don't have egos.

So that's how humiliating voting for Bush was

[Smills91]

I also think by drafting Hibbert it would be a big blow to Spencers ego!

We republican's don't have egos.

So that's how humiliating voting for Bush was

I'd do it again, ESPECIALLY when the alternative is John 'i got three purple hearts' Kerry or Al 'I went green and my energy bill went up' Gore.