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Post#1 » by Sun Scorched » Tue Jun 24, 2008 8:59 pm

The N.B.A. holds its draft in a Manhattan theater, a setting that evokes drama, colorful characters and wily plot twists. It is, in the best of years, a night of exultation and exclamation marks. This is not one of those years.

Most experts are calling Thursday’s event a two-man draft. One Western Conference general manager called it a one-man draft. An Eastern Conference player personnel director called it “a great draft for solid N.B.A. players,” which was a bit of a backhanded compliment.

Derrick Rose, the Memphis point guard, is a near lock to be taken No. 1 by the Chicago Bulls. Michael Beasley, the Kansas State power forward, will probably be taken second by the Miami Heat. They are, by nearly all accounts, the only players who will make an immediate impact or become future All-Stars.

After those two, the night will belong to players who are too short, too thin or too raw, one-dimensional, immature or simply untested. Many will become useful players, but few are likely to be starters.

So the usual draft-night exclamation points will be replaced by another form of punctuation.

“Every one of these guys has a question mark,” said Jay Bilas, an ESPN analyst. “Every one of them.”

As he ran down the list of prospects in a conference call Monday, Bilas frequently referred to prospects with great “tools” who may or may not have “the key to the toolbox.” That description may fit every player from No. 3 through No. 60.

“For anybody really after 2, I don’t see a guy that’s necessarily going to help put 10 more wins on your board, like some of the guys that have gone 1 through 12 the last couple years,” said the Eastern Conference player personnel director, who, like other team executives, asked to remain anonymous because he did not want to be seen as denigrating future N.B.A. players.

It is a good year to be drafting in the second round, and a bad year to be drafting low in the first round, where the players get two-year guaranteed deals but may not be any better than those taken 15 spots later. The stars of draft night will be Rose and Beasley, freshmen with short résumés but considerable gifts.

Rose, who led Memphis to the N.C.A.A. championship game, has a rare combination of speed and strength, the ability to finish at the basket and the instincts to make the best play. In an era of combo guards and shoot-first point guards, Rose is a true point guard who can score in bunches but looks for his teammates first. He has drawn comparisons to Chris Paul of the New Orleans Hornets.

Beasley is a gifted scorer who can make the game look effortless, whether he is working close to the basket or shooting midrange jumpers. He has drawn comparisons to a young Derrick Coleman. Beasley is listed at 6 feet 10 inches but is believed to be an inch or two shorter, raising questions about his effectiveness as an N.B.A. power forward.

The 6-3, 190-pound Rose has loudly proclaimed his desire to play for his hometown Bulls, and they will almost certainly grant his wish.

“For me, it’s a one-man draft,” said the Western Conference general manager, who called Rose “far and away your best bet.” He said that Beasley was the type of forward who came along once every two years, whereas someone like Rose came along once every five.

At least eight lottery teams — including the Knicks, at No. 6 — are searching for a starting point guard, but they will come away with imperfect alternatives. After Rose, the next best options are all combo guards, or undersize shooting guards, including O. J. Mayo of Southern California, Jerryd Bayless of Arizona and Russell Westbrook of U.C.L.A. The next best true point guard is the Texas sophomore D. J. Augustin, but his height — listed at 5-11 — is a concern.

The strength of the draft is actually in the frontcourt. Ten 7-footers could be drafted, four in the first round, led by Stanford center Brook Lopez; his twin, Robin (also of Stanford); DeAndre Jordan of Texas A&M; and JaVale McGee of Nevada.

“I don’t love the quality of the bigs,” said the Western Conference general manager, who said that there were no Greg Odens or even a Chris Kaman in the bunch. But a team may find a Kendrick Perkins.

Scouts and draft watchers seem to be in agreement on the top 11 players, if not necessarily the order. The group is expected to include Rose, Beasley, Brook Lopez, Westbrook, Mayo, Augustin, U.C.L.A. forward Kevin Love, Indiana shooting guard Eric Gordon, West Virginia forward Joe Alexander, forward Danilo Gallinari from Italy and L.S.U. forward Anthony Randolph.

The real suspense may not be about who gets drafted and when, but where each player ends up by the end of the night. For a variety of reasons — mainly the dearth of elite talent — league executives expect an active trade market. It could be similar to 2006, when five of the top eight picks were traded in a generally weak draft.

The Knicks, the Portland Trail Blazers and the Los Angeles Clippers are among the lottery teams who could try to trade down because they need proven veterans more than they need prospects.

“But it’s a tough call,” the Eastern Conference player personnel director said. “You don’t want to get caught passing up a Randolph or Gordon because they could take three or four years to develop. It’s easier to write about doing it and say a team could do it than it is for a team to actually do it.”


Hmm. All teams that we have been talking with. Kerr seems to know what he's doing.
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Post#2 » by NashtyNas » Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:02 pm

Even with all the critism, I will always believe Kerr knows what hes doing, especially since he let D'Antoni go and got a great hire in Terry. With this group of guys and a few additions that he may be able to pull off because of his great history in the NBA and the people he knows, our team might just get past the WCF for once.. and beat those god damed Spurs. If the Maggatte trade falls through and we get Corey, I think we're in for a hell of a season. Lets all just pray :D but i would like the 6th pick from new york as well and dont want anything to do with any of their players except Lee or Robinson. SO PFFTTT new york. and we cant trade barbosa to two teams (UNFORTUNATELY LOL).. so diaw needs to net us some PICKS!!
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Post#3 » by Sun Scorched » Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:38 pm

sd1306 wrote:But i would like the 6th pick from new york as well and dont want anything to do with any of their players except Lee or Robinson. SO PFFTTT new york. and we cant trade barbosa to two teams (UNFORTUNATELY LOL).. so diaw needs to net us some PICKS!!


Diaw seems likely headed towards TOR or NY.

Barbosa towards POR or LAC.

At least we have options, that's never a bad things.
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Post#4 » by Sun Scorched » Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:40 pm

I would be ecstatic with Diaw heading to New York for Lee, Rose and the #6.

Don't tell anybody, but if the Knicks refused to let Lee go in that trade.. I'd still do it.
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Post#5 » by WTFsunsFTW » Wed Jun 25, 2008 12:51 am

Again, Scorched, you're delusional.
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Post#6 » by NashtyNas » Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:21 am

I dont think Rose+Lee+6 works for us, but JJ+Lee+6 for Diaw+Tucker works for us. We get 6.6mil expiring for 2010 (adds to the SHAQ+BELL+NASH EXPIRINGS WE HAVE of 36million+) that means 42million come off in 4 players... im pretty sure we can sign TWO 2003 class free agents with THAT much cash lmao. can you say LBJ + WADE on the same team? (that was a joke, imagine the horrible outside shooting on this team then, LOL!) But thinking of the present, JJ+Lee+6 for Diaw+Tucker works for us financially. IM ALL FOR IT! Git 'er done STEVE!
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Post#7 » by Sun Scorched » Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:30 am

WTFsunsFTW wrote:Again, Scorched, you're delusional.


The #6 and Rose's expiring > Diaw and his awful contract. We get out of 3 years and $27,000,000.
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Post#8 » by VinnyTheMick » Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:52 am

Sun Scorched wrote:
WTFsunsFTW wrote:Again, Scorched, you're delusional.


The #6 and Rose's expiring > Diaw and his awful contract. We get out of 3 years and $27,000,000.



Which is why Donnie Walsh won't make that deal. No NY news outlets have a NY-PHX draft day deal as a real possibility. He wants to cut salary & D'Antoni wants to grab a pg out of the draft, neither of which happens with the proposed deal.
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Post#9 » by Sun Scorched » Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:14 am

VinnyTheMick wrote:Which is why Donnie Walsh won't make that deal. No NY news outlets have a NY-PHX draft day deal as a real possibility. He wants to cut salary & D'Antoni wants to grab a pg out of the draft, neither of which happens with the proposed deal.


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Post#10 » by VinnyTheMick » Wed Jun 25, 2008 4:03 am

Sun Scorched wrote:
VinnyTheMick wrote:Which is why Donnie Walsh won't make that deal. No NY news outlets have a NY-PHX draft day deal as a real possibility. He wants to cut salary & D'Antoni wants to grab a pg out of the draft, neither of which happens with the proposed deal.


Fair enough. And that pipe dream dies.



Hey man you wanna talk about pipedreams you should see some of the crap my fellow knick fans are coming up with on here. "If we get the 5th pick we can trade 5th+6th+Zach Randolph to the Bulls for the #1 pick!"

I think everyone goes a little nuts around draft time. so many rumors, so many possiblities & not much reality.
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Post#11 » by eastsidecrossover » Wed Jun 25, 2008 4:56 am

Portland is about to get N.O.'s pick at 27. So do you really think they will take two more rooks? I doubt it. I think #13 is up for grabs now.

And they got the pick for cash considerations.
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Post#12 » by nba_addict » Wed Jun 25, 2008 5:15 am

Rose + Lee for Diaw is more reasonable.
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Post#13 » by DaVoiceMaster » Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:43 am

eastsidecrossover wrote:Portland is about to get N.O.'s pick at 27. So do you really think they will take two more rooks? I doubt it. I think #13 is up for grabs now.

And they got the pick for cash considerations.


Portland buys a late 1st round pick every year, drafts players to stash overseas. Last year they stashed 2 players ... Rudy Fernandez and Peterri Koponen. Fernandez is coming over this year. The year before they stashed Joel Freeland overseas and actually brought Sergio Rodriguez to town.

This year they'll either do the same or package the #27 pick to get a higher 1st round pick. I don't see the Blazers moving down or out of the draft. The draft is Kevin Pritchards time to shine!!!
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Post#14 » by Sun Scorched » Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:25 pm

I don't think there is a single teams fan that is sitting there, hoping beyond hope, that their team trades down.

The POR board thinks Barbosa is a piece of trash. The LAC board thinks the Barbosa - Maggette trade is unfair... (it is). No one wants Diaw... at all.

The reality of it is that us Suns fans have been on the "dissapointed" end for a couple of drafts now. I think it's only fair that we feel like we got away with some stuff this time around.

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Post#15 » by eastsidecrossover » Wed Jun 25, 2008 4:21 pm

Thats typical of fans who evaluate certain players or puts too much value on players on their team. It happens here on this board too. Fact is, GM's value these players on a different level. If fans ran teams or if GM's did what fans wanted, most likely, they would end up like NYK.

We have not seen this many teams interested in barbs and diaw. Obviously, GM's have more interest than most fans do. These guys have produced at a high level.

I can see Portland making a push to move up in the draft with this extra pick, but I personally do not see it. The package that was being rumored for Barbs was not that great to be honest. Most teams are not going to bite on that either. Maybe 2 picks, but if Portlands GM's "time to shine" is right now, he will bring in the neccessary peices to complement these young studs on their team. (well, its not that hard when you have the richest owner in the nba who allows your team to buy picks each year.) But I think if he is as good as everyone thinks he is, he will find the right vet to fit along side Roy, Aldrige and Oden.
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Post#16 » by BurningHeart » Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:44 pm

Sun Scorched wrote:I don't think there is a single teams fan that is sitting there, hoping beyond hope, that their team trades down.

The POR board thinks Barbosa is a piece of trash. The LAC board thinks the Barbosa - Maggette trade is unfair... (it is). No one wants Diaw... at all.

The reality of it is that us Suns fans have been on the "dissapointed" end for a couple of drafts now. I think it's only fair that we feel like we got away with some stuff this time around.

Call it Draft Night Karma.


I always root for my team in football to trade down, but that's only because you can make a killing with picks. In the NBA, trading down doesnt guarantee you multiple picks so it might be a little less favorable. But if you can trade the, say #5 pick, down to #11 and pick up two future picks, I don't see how anyone could oppose.

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