POR/ORL

[Dwightmare]

Not to mention all the great players picked who were there at 13 but werent picked. but thats besides the point.

The point to me is that Hedo's value is at an all time high, we could lose him next offseason via FA, and we fill a lot of holes with talented young players.

[MitchellUK]

Hedo and Bogans for #13, Jack and Outlaw? In a heartbeat. Turk's season could have been a flash in the pan, and if it wasn't, he is going to want major $$$ come next summer. Either way, if a good deal is on the table for him, it would make sense to do it. Jack and Outlaw would both need re-signing in the next couple of years, but I would imagine they could be locked down for much less than Turk would be expecting, should his form continue.

[Bensational]

Shoooot,

Nelson/Dooling/Jack
Rush(13th)/JJ Redick
Rashard Lewis/Travis Outlaw
Battie/Dorsey/White/Hendrix(2nd rounder)/Cook
Dwight/Hibbert/Gortat

um yea, I would probably do that...

when you put the trade on paper like that.... damn....

i just wonder, who facilitates the offense in that starting lineup? who's gonna be feeding the ball in to Dwight now? Jameer wasn't able to do it as good as Hedo last season, so he's got a ways to improve. Is Rush any good at the passing game?

[Devin 1L]

im just saying, don't bring up the "memorable #13 picks of the past" and then throw up the worst picks ever and use that as your primary reason why player x at the #13 will be a bust...if you don't have a top 5-9 pick its pretty much a gamble any way...

I don't disagree. I was just pointing out that #13 is by no means a surefire thing. Around draft time everyone gets excited about picks because of potential. When you're drafting you're typically drafting potential, and when you're drafting mid-lottery, the potential has already dropped of quite a bit.

Will a damn good player probably get picked #13 or later? Most likely. But it's a hell of a lot harder to pick 'em out at this point in the draft, as opposed to an early pick, when you've generally got a greater probability of snagging a good player.

this will be a good draft though overall, and I will go on record as saying that 70% of the kids taken in the first round become contributors with their club...

Be honest, where'd you get that number from?

I wouldn't say that number is a stretch at all. In fact, it's right on cue with the numbers provided by Heather N. Allen, Ph.D, and Paul Gearan, from their recent article:

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Link to article.

This projects that of the 30 players taken in the first round, after 5 years, roughly 70% will be a solid bench player/marginal starter, or better.

back on topic, this is a pretty good deal...it would be hard to pass it up, regardless of Outlaw or Webster...

I'll be the first to admit, I've always been a big Webster fan.

[Dwightmare]

looks like Portland is stockpiling picks to send our way in a Hedo trade. good stuff.

[lovehoops01]

Not to mention all the great players picked who were there at 13 but werent picked. but thats besides the point.

The point to me is that Hedo's value is at an all time high, we could lose him next offseason via FA, and we fill a lot of holes with talented young players.

Or, if you're convinced you're going to lose him because he wants too much money, you could deal him at the trade deadline for a known quantity. And why is everyone so convinced that the Magic wouldn't pay Hedo if he deserves it and the front office wants to keep him? The Nuggets have Melo, Camby, Nene and K Mart all making $10 million a year or more. The Celtics have Garnett, Ray Ray and Paul Pierce all making over $13 million. Even the thrifty Pistons have three guys making over $10 million a year and a fourth making $9.5 million and the Spurs have $40 million wrapped up in three players. The Magic are getting ready to open a new building in a couple years. They can't go into that year having a crappy team because they don't want to spend any money on anyone besides Dwight and Rashard. If they take that attitude, they won't ever be going anywhere.

Besides, It just amazes me at the amount of confidence put on unknown quantities (draft picks) on this board, especially considering how poorly the Magic have drafted over the years. But now everyone is so confident that they want to give up a 17.5/6/5 guy for what essentially would be a crap shoot. Even when he wasn't as good as he was last season, Hedo was a 13/5/4 guy. When was the last time other than Dwight or Jameer (or before for that matter, besides Mike Miller) when the Magic have drafted anyone who could put up numbers like that?

[dmac812]

i'm with you on this one lovehoops. most people here are seriously either overhyping those pieces we get from portland or seriously devaluing hedo's worth to this team. i honestly think that without hedo in the starting line up we drop down to a 5-8 seed in the east. he has the best court vision on the team, ability to dribble penetrate, and has several go to offensive moves. unless we can acquire a true distributing point guard to replace nelson. moving hedo probably isn't in our best interest. outlaw is a good offensive threat who is very athletic. and webster is a strict jumpshooter who we do not need another one of. so i guess the best part of this trade would be moving up in the draft. not worth it to me...

[DaVoiceMaster]

Sorry guys, I don't see Portland making that trade. They're not moving down in the trade, they're moving up and it is reported that Outlaw may be unavailable (reports are that he's Roy's best buddy on the team and they wanna keep Roy happy). Even if he was available, I still don't see this trade happening. I'm sure the Blazers would be happy to give you #27 & #35 for #22 though.

Good luck Thursday!

[BassMaster]

Sorry guys, I don't see Portland making that trade. They're not moving down in the trade, they're moving up and it is reported that Outlaw may be unavailable (reports are that he's Roy's best buddy on the team and they wanna keep Roy happy). Even if he was available, I still don't see this trade happening. I'm sure the Blazers would be happy to give you #27 & #35 for #22 though.

Good luck Thursday!

Well the one thing I have learned about the NBA draft anything can happen. And what you think would never happen might slap you in the face and happen. On the other hand it might just be a by the book draft, but something tells me that this draft is going to full of a lot of movement. Who is going to be moving none of us here know, but we can't help our guessing. That's what makes all of this so interesting.
Good luck to the Blazers as well this Thursday.

[Catledge]

Lovehoops, I couldn't agree with you more.

Knowing how things turned out, how many of us would trade both of our recent #11 picks in exchange for a player of Hedo's quality? Is there really that much reason to believe that we would do so much better with a worse pick this year?

[theTHIEF]

zing...

[craig01]

everything in the NBA is a gamble...keeping Hedo right now is technically a gamble...

Yeah, ask Donaghy......

[sportsrock37]

While I will agree with you about trading Hedo for #13, we also get guys like Outlaw and Jack who would give us great depth. If Brandon Rush is available, I would probably do it, because we would essentially be gaining a lot more depth and talent on the roster. Outlaw and Jack both have good potential and both could be starters in a couple of years. I might prefer Webster as well, it'd be a close call for me though. I was really high on Webster and he's a very good 3 point shooter and could come in and probably start at SG right away for us.

I'd do Frye and #13 for 22 and JJ easily. Get Rush and a big man, kill 2 birds with one stone.

If Portland wouldn't do it, how bout the same trade and swap 22 and 27 to make it.... Bogans, Hedo, 22 for 13, 27, Outlaw, Jack.

[Dwightmare]

Its funny that some of you wont take a trade that favors us so heavily...

Travis Outlaw, Martell Webster and Jarret Jack are not unknown commodities And then throw in the 13th pick in THIS draft. This is such a deep draft in this range and who knows who is going to be there at #13. All of this while still keeping our #22

This trade is a great way to plug up a lot of holes on our roster and pick up a lot of assets. A good thing since we have almost no tradeable assets. The way this team gets much better is through trades. I have my eye on the 2010 free agency (when Bosh, Lebron and Wade become free agents). We have 10 million dollars in expirings and possibly 13 if Cook picks up his option. If we have a few low salary assets like first round contracts, we could combine them with our expirings for a great player or a few good players from a team trying to cut salary.

[Dwightmare]

While I will agree with you about trading Hedo for #13, we also get guys like Outlaw and Jack who would give us great depth. If Brandon Rush is available, I would probably do it, because we would essentially be gaining a lot more depth and talent on the roster. Outlaw and Jack both have good potential and both could be starters in a couple of years. I might prefer Webster as well, it'd be a close call for me though. I was really high on Webster and he's a very good 3 point shooter and could come in and probably start at SG right away for us.

I'd do Frye and #13 for 22 and JJ easily. Get Rush and a big man, kill 2 birds with one stone.

If Portland wouldn't do it, how bout the same trade and swap 22 and 27 to make it.... Bogans, Hedo, 22 for 13, 27, Outlaw, Jack.

Portland wouldnt do that.

I would do the second trade.

[PhilipNelsonFan]

If you really want Brandon Rush, I'd rather do a trade of #13 and #36 for #22 and two future first-rounders, protected somewhat heavily.

[sportsrock37]

While I will agree with you about trading Hedo for #13, we also get guys like Outlaw and Jack who would give us great depth. If Brandon Rush is available, I would probably do it, because we would essentially be gaining a lot more depth and talent on the roster. Outlaw and Jack both have good potential and both could be starters in a couple of years. I might prefer Webster as well, it'd be a close call for me though. I was really high on Webster and he's a very good 3 point shooter and could come in and probably start at SG right away for us.

I'd do Frye and #13 for 22 and JJ easily. Get Rush and a big man, kill 2 birds with one stone.

If Portland wouldn't do it, how bout the same trade and swap 22 and 27 to make it.... Bogans, Hedo, 22 for 13, 27, Outlaw, Jack.

Portland wouldnt do that.

I would do the second trade.

My bad, I meant with the future 1st. I'd do that easily as well.