06/19 ESPN & DX.com Speculation

[Kerb Hohl]

The only way I'd do #8 for Hinrich would be if they take on Simmons deal. Simmons/8 for Hinrich.

I wouldn't even do that. Make them take Gadzuric. A more useless player and his contract lasts a year longer. If we're only getting Hinrich back that's what it would take for me to not hate the deal and even if that was the deal I still wouldn't be a huge fan of it.

The only way I'd do #8 for Hinrich would be if they take on Simmons deal. Simmons/8 for Hinrich.

We'd then be set at PG with Hinrich/Sessions/Bell. Mo/CV/Mason's expiring can be turned into a starting SF and PF/C depth.

I would rather try and make it work for Gadz to replace Simmons there. They don't really need Hinrich seeing as they basically have Rose.

I don't see us making any splash signings next year so Simmons' contract doesn't really affect us at this point and it becomes an asset as an expiring for us next year.

I also have some confidence that Simmons may make some improvements this year and return somewhat close to his old form.

Didn't your parents ever teach you that stealing is bad, twirlyz?

[Pressey]

My prediction: Redd is moved for someone else's junk (think those ridiculous packages Cleveland is offering).

I think this regime is looking to unload salary and shock the culture in the organization. Trading Redd would do that. The guy is a player, but his salary is high.

At the very least it will get people around the city talking about the franchise, which is more than they are doing now.

I hate Mo on this team and would really like to see him moved but it doesn't sound like that is going to happen.

[trwi7]

The only way I'd do #8 for Hinrich would be if they take on Simmons deal. Simmons/8 for Hinrich.

I wouldn't even do that. Make them take Gadzuric. A more useless player and his contract lasts a year longer. If we're only getting Hinrich back that's what it would take for me to not hate the deal and even if that was the deal I still wouldn't be a huge fan of it.

The only way I'd do #8 for Hinrich would be if they take on Simmons deal. Simmons/8 for Hinrich.

We'd then be set at PG with Hinrich/Sessions/Bell. Mo/CV/Mason's expiring can be turned into a starting SF and PF/C depth.

I would rather try and make it work for Gadz to replace Simmons there. They don't really need Hinrich seeing as they basically have Rose.

I don't see us making any splash signings next year so Simmons' contract doesn't really affect us at this point and it becomes an asset as an expiring for us next year.

I also have some confidence that Simmons may make some improvements this year and return somewhat close to his old form.

Didn't your parents ever teach you that stealing is bad, twirlyz?

This thread is far too long for me to read every post. Glad we agree though.

[ReasonablySober]

Ford was just on the radio. Sounds like Riley would rather have his fingernails pulled out one by one than go with Beasley next year. Ford disagrees and says that with Wade and Riley that he should be fine in Miami. Thinks that Beasley's going to be unstoppable on offense and that his off the court stuff is overblown. Turrico and SVP mentioned that they had Beasley's coach on the other other day and he was gushing over what a great kid he was and how coachable he was. They also made the point that Riley wants to win now and is looking at next summer when Boozer and Brand are FA's and that Riles would simply like to fill a different position this year.

[Bernman]

Actually wichmae told us a lot. Read between lines. He told us that the goal is to win now. He told us that we are going to trade our pick. Many people value this draft class so he told us that many will be disapointed and then he told us that most of us overate some players. It is rather clear for me that he was talking about guys who are going to be rookies next year because he said that after people had discusion about those players. Same when he told us that many will be disapointed.

We are not going to draft player for us people. That's rather clear by now. We are in win now mode and rookies are not part of that. Skiles is here to win. Not to rebuild. Hammond is here to win. Kohl is too old to try from begining.

Everything that wichmae said in this thread point to "win now" mode. Read from begining if you can. Everything. We are trading pick together with players for veteran help. If I have to guess I would say that our package is #8, CV, Mason and our target is veteran SF like Prince or Jaferson.

That's why he's Ilhan the White, and you're not.

I can just see sigra using an RSS feed to alert him every time wichmae makes a post and then copying them all into his clipboard. Then he pastes it into Excel and tries to break it down as if he's trying to piece together all the clues provided to crack the Beltway Sniper case.

I think he's close to spon on.

[fam3381]

I actually appreciate this because it's making me expect an absolutely horrible trade on draft night...

Sessions+Desmond+8th for Tim Thomas. Huzzah!

At this point if we do anything remotely palatable I'll feel good about it.

[trwi7]

I actually appreciate this because it's making me expect an absolutely horrible trade on draft night...

Sessions+Desmond+8th for Tim Thomas. Huzzah!

At this point if we do anything remotely palatable I'll feel good about it.

Yeah this is how I feel too. I'm expecting a horrible trade now, if no trade happens, great. If a trade happens and I don't mind it, that's cool too. I just hate seeing trades that suck when I'm not expecting one.

[bango_the_buck]

I can't take it anymore. Anyone care to give me the scoop?

bango_the_buck@yahoo.com

[DonHutson]

OK, I'll try to play along. Let's think outside the box a little bit.

The clue is that something involving Kirk Hinrich will lead to a disappointing draft night for Bucks fans.

That doesn't necessarily mean that Hinrich would be traded to the Bucks. Maybe it means that the Bulls made the 11th hour decision that Hinrich is good enough at PG and they are instead going to draft Beasley.

Maybe the Heat rumors are real and they stick with Mayo over Rose.

Rose drops to the Wolves who are happy to get him.

Why would this disappoint Bucks fans? Maybe the Bucks had a deal to move up to #3 contingent on Rose and Beasley being off the board. The Bulls and Heat passing on Rose scuttles that trade. And/or maybe the Bucks and Heat had something in the works if Beasley was available. Also scuttled in this scenario.

That's just my guess, but the Bulls keeping Hinrich and drafting Beasely could potentially lead to a close but no cigar draft for the Bucks if they had concrete plans to move up for some star power.

[Bernman]

You guys are all assuming Hinrich, but the deal that would upset everybody is #8 for Duhon.

That's the deal that would drive this entire board to riot throughout the streets of Milwaukee.

[Bernman]

I will join the list of beggers:

Delete

Or one of the mods can private message me if they'd like....as if I haven't been around RealGM long enough to be trusted.

[LUKE23]

Duhon is really bad.

[aaprigs311]

Is Duhon a RFA?

[aaprigs311]

He's an UFA. Why would we trade for him?

[Bernman]

He's an UFA. Why would we trade for him?

Because with his skills, it's inevitable he'll get a max contract, and the only way we can acquire him is through a sign and trade.

[aaprigs311]

hmm

[EastSideBucksFan]

He's an UFA. Why would we trade for him?

Yeah, I would think that Hammond would not or could not trade our lottery pick for a free agent. Thats just me though.


I'm thinking if it's something that would piss people off it's some sort of trade based on Redd for Hinrich. That would probably piss me off. Not everybody though I'm sure.


I just don't want to completely give up our draft pick. Either give us a lower pick or send back someone, anyone with potential still, hell even Tyrus Thomas.

[aaprigs311]

He's an UFA. Why would we trade for him?

Because with his skills, it's inevitable he'll get a max contract, and the only way we can acquire him is through a sign and trade.

Riiiiight.

[Licensed to Il]

Kirk Hinrich, and I am not a huge fan, is such an upgrade over Mo WIlliams, that I laughed out loud everytime people put their numbers side by side or try to compare them in any way.

Again, I am not going to put myself in a position where I am defending Hinrich, or arguing his merits compared with another player. But he is so much more of a complete player than Mo, it is ridiculous to compare their numbers. I find it a fascinating micrcosm of the stats vs scouting debate in pro basketball. I think stat wise, you could deduct that they are in the same ballpark. But watching them play, its not even close.

[mcfromage]

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