Serge Ibaka

deeney0 · Post #1 » by **deeney0** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 5:16 pm

Ibaka had been rising into the mid twenties (and even higher) in a lot of mocks over the last couple weeks, but he's been negotiating a new deal with his Spanish team and has told NBA teams not to draft him in the first round. Seems like a perfect fit for #31. Thoughts?

Post #2 » by **revprodeji** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 5:19 pm

I think we are talkin about it somewhere else. Not sure. But anyway, I think I would still use the 31st on Ibaka. I like the kid. I think you keep him in europe to develop and offer him a contract when he is ready.

Very legit talent.

Devilzsidewalk · Post #3 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 5:24 pm

there should be other talented players ready to contribute at 31. Maybe use the 34 on him if the Wolves are sweating roster issues or they don't like what's left.

mnWI · Post #4 » by **mnWI** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 5:24 pm

You have to take Ibaka if he's there at 31. Period. He's a lottery talent.

Jonathan Watters · Post #5 » by **Jonathan Watters** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 5:27 pm

Agreed. He's got Kemp/Stoudemire physical tools. If he's there at 31 and we don't take him, I'll throw a hissy fit in my living room. Just warning everybody...

Devilzsidewalk · Post #6 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 5:29 pm

mnWI wrote:You have to take Ibaka if he's there at 31. Period. He's a lottery talent.

I'd say the exact same about Walker and Hickson, except they'll be able to contribute right away

gimme gimme gimme now now now, that's my modus operandi

Post #7 » by **revprodeji** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 5:37 pm

mnWI wrote:You have to take Ibaka if he's there at 31. Period. He's a lottery talent.

How long until he plays for us? I like the kid a lot from what you guys wrote at DX on him.

Post #8 » by **TheFranchise21** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 5:40 pm

Ibaka would be a perfect pick for us in the second round. A guy we can leave overseas and develop for a couple of years. Kid looks intriguing too.

Jonathan Watters · Post #9 » by **Jonathan Watters** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 5:42 pm

Devilzsidewalk wrote:
mnWI wrote:You have to take Ibaka if he's there at 31. Period. He's a lottery talent.

I'd say the exact same about Walker and Hickson, except they'll be able to contribute right away

gimme gimme gimme now now now, that's my modus operandi

Well, take Richard Hendrix and get Craig Smith #2...maybe.

Or take a guy who doesn't eat up a roster spot. If you are right, he turns into a starter or possibly even a star. No risk involved, because he doesn't get a guaranteed contract and it is hard to find even a contributor at this point anyways.

Am I missing something here?

Winter Wonder · Post #10 » by **Winter Wonder** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 5:42 pm

Would need to grab him at #31. I would be very happy to see it. Amazing athletics, the Kemp comparison is pretty good.

Looks like talks were for a 4 year contract in France, with a LARGE buy out after 2 years.

buzzbomb · Post #11 » by **buzzbomb** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 5:50 pm

mnWI wrote:You have to take Ibaka if he's there at 31. Period. He's a lottery talent.

This is essentially true (except for the lotto talent part). We don't really have room for three draftees and stashing him would be perfect. But as I said here before, this pick is worth more than a low first for just this reason. that means if for some reason we don't like him, we can get a low first this year or a future first for this pick. Depending on what we think of him, that could be coming. Also, if Ajinca falls into the 20's I'm sure his people have told those teams the same thing. If he is there as well, you take him over Ibaka every damn time.

deeney0 · Post #12 » by **deeney0** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 5:56 pm

Devilzsidewalk wrote:I'd say the exact same about Walker and Hickson, except they'll be able to contribute right away

I wouldn't be surprised if but Walker and Hickson go in the first. They've both been up and down, but seems to me they're both "up" right now.

4ho5ive · Post #13 » by **4ho5ive** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 5:59 pm

From what I read, Ibaka is signing a 4-year deal with an NBA option after 2. Dont hold me to that though.

delux55 · Post #14 » by **delux55** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 6:00 pm

He already said he wants to stay in spain till after the 2010 or 2011 season I dont even think we would hold his rights that far way

Devilzsidewalk · Post #15 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 6:15 pm

Jonathan Watters wrote:Well, take Richard Hendrix and get Craig Smith #2...maybe.

Or take a guy who doesn't eat up a roster spot. If you are right, he turns into a starter or possibly even a star. No risk involved, because he doesn't get a guaranteed contract and it is hard to find even a contributor at this point anyways.

Am I missing something here?

I'm saying there should be guys of comparable talent (my opinion; e.g. possibly guys like Walker & Hickson) available, and are ready to play. I don't like playing the game of stash the Euro for years, and then at some point years down the line he's gonna be this great player who comes over and kicks ass. When does that ever work out? If you take a guy playing in Europe with a first or early 2nd, you better know for sure when he's coming over. The longer that contract, the less likely you ever see the guy. And European teams are getting better and better equipped to compete w/ the NBA and take advantage of the NBA salary structure.

I don't want to screw around, Wolves have 2 premium 2nd round picks and I like this draft. I think it's deep & MN is in a good spot to profit from the tail end of that depth. Get somebody who'll be here next season that we can start training right away. I'm tired of these amazing overseas talents, but you never get to see them. If you draft a guy, he should be your player and not have to worry about competing with other teams in other leagues on other continents.

if you want Serge Malicke Badiane Ibaka, then go acquire a pick in the mid 2nd

Post #16 » by **TheFranchise21** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 6:15 pm

As long as he's under contract, we retain his rights. Once his contract is up, we have one year to sign him.

Devilzsidewalk · Post #17 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 6:17 pm

deeney0 wrote:
Devilzsidewalk wrote:I'd say the exact same about Walker and Hickson, except they'll be able to contribute right away

I wouldn't be surprised if but Walker and Hickson go in the first. They've both been up and down, but seems to me they're both "up" right now.

thats what I think too, but there's still going to be good players available. Somebody is going to drop, this draft is too deep.

delux55 · Post #18 » by **delux55** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 6:20 pm

I think we will move into the first round again so I dontthnik we take 31st. Your right someone will fall and we need to be there from 22-29 range to grab them.. Deandre Jordan at anywhere in that range sign me up

mnWI · Post #19 » by **mnWI** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 6:22 pm

Devilzsidewalk wrote:
Jonathan Watters wrote:Well, take Richard Hendrix and get Craig Smith #2...maybe.

Or take a guy who doesn't eat up a roster spot. If you are right, he turns into a starter or possibly even a star. No risk involved, because he doesn't get a guaranteed contract and it is hard to find even a contributor at this point anyways.

Am I missing something here?

I'm saying there should be guys of comparable talent (my opinion; e.g. possibly guys like Walker & Hickson) available, and are ready to play. I don't like playing the game of stash the Euro for years, and then at some point years down the line he's gonna be this great player who comes over and kicks ass. When does that ever work out? If you take a guy playing in Europe with a first or early 2nd, you better know for sure when he's coming over. The longer that contract, the less likely you ever see the guy. And European teams are getting better and better equipped to compete w/ the NBA and take advantage of the NBA salary structure.

I don't want to screw around, Wolves have 2 premium 2nd round picks and I like this draft. I think it's deep & MN is in a good spot to profit from the tail end of that depth. Get somebody who'll be here next season that we can start training right away. I'm tired of these amazing overseas talents, but you never get to see them. If you draft a guy, he should be your player and not have to worry about competing with other teams in other leagues on other continents.

if you want Serge Malicke Badiane Ibaka, then go acquire a pick in the mid 2nd

Thanks for admitting you've never seen the guy before.

Winter Wonder · Post #20 » by **Winter Wonder** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 6:25 pm

If he isn't taken by MN at #31, Sea takes him at #32. They were considering him at #24 I believe. That was prior to his announcement. The Spurs were showing alot of interest at #26 as well I believe. Ibaka in the second round is someone slipping. I can understand wanting to grab someone to contribute right away, but that can be done 3 picks later at #34. Ibaka won't make it that far and is worth it even if he is stashed away, a.k.a. deveploped, overseas for a few years. Hendrix, Hardin, Dorsey (blah), Anderson, White, or another US player should be available at #34 that can help immediately in a reserve big fashion.

I want a center prospect out of this draft, but if we have to stash a player or two (I wouldn't mind Pekovic and Asik as well, minus their large longish euro contracts) to better our team when we are ready to make runs into the playoffs; you do it. BPA at #31 regardless if he is on the team this year and Ibaka could very well be the BPA.