Nets turn down Wally for Vince

[ChampionRed]

According to Netsdaily.com, hours after the Jefferson to the Bucks deal went down, the Cavs called and offerend Wally for Vince Carter thinking the Nets were having a fire-sale. The Nets thought about it but in the end obviously said no. If that happened however, Carter and Lebron combo would have been nasty!!

[TheOUTLAW]

I still think Vince is in play, that just wasn't what the Nets wanted (and or they just don't want him in Cleveland). I know they can't think Vince will be happy surrounded by a bunch of really young players with no real chance to win.

[Hydroponic3385]

If that's true, the Cavs and Ferry could've at least tried with the offer lol. At least start with Wally + '09 1st + more expirings for Carter and a contract they don't want. I'd say possibly work in Varejao, but they now have a good number of bigs, so that'd only work out if they really like Andy and they traded the big they like the least.

[mg]

Interesting..lots of big names being bandied about. Carter has a huge contract.. I dunno. He's an upgrade but I still prefer them to add another guy besides LeBron who can create shots. Baron Davis is a better fit if Golden State trades him. I think Ferry should be patient despite all the fans screaming for a deal to go down now.

[Serpo]

The Cavs are a) bad trading partners for the Nets b) really don't have anything the Nets want now that RJ is traded and the Capspace goal is archived .

There was no was Vince was just gave away.

[Gordon Bombay]

wow, way to really put forth the effort there danny...dont strain yourself to hard

[lurkingobeiscity]

Multiple reasons for the nets to decline. Cavs are going to have an extremely tough time finding a 2nd star.

This might sound strange but their best hope imo is for lebron to get injured.

[lurkingobeiscity]

Interesting..lots of big names being bandied about. Carter has a huge contract.. I dunno. He's an upgrade but I still prefer them to add another guy besides LeBron who can create shots. Baron Davis is a better fit if Golden State trades him. I think Ferry should be patient despite all the fans screaming for a deal to go down now.

lol... You should see more of Carter if you don't think he can create shots.

[mg]

^I've seen enough of VC...he doesn't create shots for his teammates, lol. He's a much better player with Kidd dishing him the ball. No disrespect..he's a definite upgrade to what the Cavs have at SG and NO we're not hoping for LeBron to get injured.

Before NJ fans come talking smack in here remember this is the same VC that got pwned in the playoffs last year by Sasha Pavlovic.

[Birth of the Cool]

^I've seen enough of VC...he doesn't create shots for his teammates, lol. He's a much better player with Kidd dishing him the ball. No disrespect..he's a definite upgrade to what the Cavs have at SG and NO we're not hoping for LeBron to get injured.

Before NJ fans come talking smack in here remember this is the same VC that got pwned in the playoffs last year by Sasha Pavlovic.

Your post shows you haven't seen him much at all.

VC was averaging 5 assist per game playing alongside an assist machine called Kidd. Think about that for a second. VC is used as a facilitator for the Nets offense like Kobe/Lebron are for their respective teams (and no I'm not saying he's anywhere near their level, he's definitely not).

VC is the Nets bigmen's best friend. If you actually did watch the Nets you would see that Moore from 2 years ago got a huge payday from the Sacramento Kings in no small part to pick & roll's with VC. Boone also did very well for himself last year making himself available on high pick & rolls. Any one who watches the Nets knows VC creates the majority of good scoring opportunities for his teammates (second behind Kidd when Kidd was still there) and many Nets fans would actually like to see a BIT MORE more "me first" VC. He's unselfish as they come on the court. The numbers don't lie. (FYI, LeBron's passing rating is 8.9, but VC's is also a solid 7.7 - consider another solid wing passer Joe Johnson is 8.3 / Kobe at 9.7 / Paul Pierce 7.2)

Your assumption that VC was a better player with Kidd passing him the ball again shows you don't watch Nets games. Sure Kidd made things easy for VC like everyone Kidd plays with but a reason things with Kidd/VC/RJ didn't work out is because VC can easily create his own shots and he doesn't need to be setup - he needs people who can finish either under the basket or making open shots. He needs offensively capable bigmen to take away double+ teams on him, dead-eye shooters so that teams pay for stacking up their defenses on Vince's side. Cleveland doesn't exactly fit that mold but Lebron is a different type of beast so it would have likely still worked. Again the numbers show what is seen on the court (VC assisted scores % is 51%, Lebron is a crazy 34%, Joe Johnson is 48%, Paul Piece is 48%, Kobe is 40%).

Anyways just thought I'd bring a different perspective here but I do understand this is the Cav's board so I'll leave it at that.

[BestofBabcock]

agreed.

[telele]

^I've seen enough of VC...he doesn't create shots for his teammates, lol. He's a much better player with Kidd dishing him the ball. No disrespect..he's a definite upgrade to what the Cavs have at SG and NO we're not hoping for LeBron to get injured.

Before NJ fans come talking smack in here remember this is the same VC that got pwned in the playoffs last year by Sasha Pavlovic.

You my friend are misinformed and don't know smack even about your own team much less VC. Vince if you not have noticed is one of the best SG's in the game that can score and creat for his team members. Also again a dumb respone by you, VC has been a better player putting up like 25ppg 6rebs 5ast since the Kidd trade and how many players in the NBA have done that hmmm only Kobe, LBJ and ya VC and who has posted 25,5,5 almost is whole career and also put up great numbers last year while being hurt threw the whole year so tell Ferry to man up and give the Nets something close NJ won't give him away.

The namecalling was completely unnecessary

[Da_James_Gang]

Well as a cavs fan i would of like this deal no matter what the contract looks like. The cavs dont have a lot to offer to teams but expirings. And if teams dont want that then we are dead in the water. If we could get carter for wally/pick or something, i would be all for it. I know carter hasnt showed up in big games in the past. But playing with bron could take pressure off the guy as he would be the 2nd option in cleveland. And we would still have enough trade assets to acquire someone like harrington since that might be the most logical trade for av if we want to get him out of here before training camp.

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i would be happy with that....Even if you start big ben and bring harrington off the bench i would still be happy with that. Wallace is probably only gonna get 20-25mpg this upcoming season, well atleast thats all he should get. And like that nets fan said, bron/carter would be a sick combo..

[Ojmayo]

We can try Memphis and Minnesota they would do it for a big because they both need one and then they might trade Mayo or Miller...

[The Penguin]

Maybe the Cavs could trade Boobie & Wally for VC, that way the Nets will definately have the cap room for Lebron & his best friend from the Cavs would already be in NJ. The Cavs should be praying that no one will take VC, not offering the Nets their golden ticket to Lebron just to add an aging shooting guard who has never won anything.

[HarlemHeat37]

except if they added Vince, he would win something..

Carter is pretty much the perfect #2 option to Lebron(excluding big men)..he gives the Cavs another guy that can handle the ball, score on his own, one of the best passers at the SG position in the NBA..when Lebron has the ball, Carter is very solid spot up shooter from 3-point range..more importantly, you'd get a motivated Carter, since he'll be playing with arguably the best player in the NBA, Lebron James, who is also one of the best leaders in the L too..Lebron/Vince probably makes the Cavs the 2nd best team in the East, so he'll be playing on a contender as well..Lebron would be happy with this team..

the Cavs aren't in a position where contracts matter..they've already went through bad contracts in the past few years and still have a few bad ones right now..at least with Carter, you'll have an all-star caliber player for that amount of money, and someone that will help the Cavs have a better chance at winning right now..age is insignificant, since Carter isn't THAT old, and winning is the best way to keep Lebron in town in the next few years..

this guy has already led an average supporting cast to the finals and took the champs to 7 this year, imagine what he does with a guy that has been a consistent 22-5-5 during his career..

[Baseline Runner]

I agree, I'd love to have Vince. Varejao, Wally and Hickson for him.

[HarlemHeat37]

IMO, Cleveland will have to involve another team to get Carter though..the Nets don't need expirings anymore..so I think it would be wise to send Wally's contract(with other pieces) to another team that can use it, with the Nets getting prospects in return from the other team(or Cleveland's pick), and Cleveland getting Carter and another piece or 2..this would be the most likely scenario IMO..

[rjgraca]

Not sure why there is such a big deal about VC -- closer to the trading deadline we get -- he might be had for a more reasonable price when VC is pissed off because of the Nets position in the standings as the season progresses. Right now the Nets are positioned to be a lottery team for quite some time -- kind of like the Atlanta Hawks until they figured out that the savior free agent might not be coming.
We all know how VC reacts to a team rebuilding -- see his ending Toronto experience.

[TheOUTLAW]

I'd like to get vince but I agree with rjgraca, that is too much for the Cavs to give up for him. The Cavs have to make sure they don't make desperation moves. Everyone is counting on them doing something out of fear and are therefore trying to hold them up.