Udrih, is he expected back?

vtime · Post #1 » by **vtime** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 10:02 pm

If not, then why not. No one seems to want to keep this guy around. He was the primary backup to Tony Parker on a championship team as a rookie and played very well during the season and the playoffs and the finals, and then for some reason the Spurs feel they need to upgrade to Jacque and play him over Udrih when he is and never will be the player Udrih already is. I dont get it and now I dont here anybody really wanting to acquire Udrih and the Kings not acting like he's a priority to bring back. Whats the deal?

Cruel_Ruin · Post #2 » by **Cruel_Ruin** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 10:15 pm

He might not want to. We can offer the MLE, but so can every team in the NBA. THe Clippers are going to need a PG and have some extra capspace, so I wouldn't be surprised if that's his destination.

deNIEd · Post #3 » by **deNIEd** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 10:30 pm

Other teams have more money, while our money is tied up in Moore.

Smills91 · Post #4 » by **Smills91** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:06 pm

deNIEd wrote:Other teams have more money, while our money is tied up in Moore.

Are you kidding me? I wouldn't even want to pay Udrih more than the MLE. Let him walk if it's more than that. Moore's contract has ZERO implications on the Kings capspace, and is a couple of pennies relative to the Maloofs.

UKF · Post #5 » by **UKF** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:12 pm

I also wouldn;t have a problem watching Beno walk. It would be great to have him back, but I dont want to put to much money into him.

If he does walk, what we do decide to do at PG is a huge ?

..but I don't have a problem if Beno decides to walk..

Post #6 » by **KingInExile** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:26 pm

Hey, I would have no problem holding on to Beno for another couple of years, but not for a full MLE deal. But it sounds like he's caught Bonzi-itis and wants an MLE+ deal. I'm sure there are teams that will be willing to give him that. If they do then I will wish him luck with no regrets over him leaving. He's a decent point, but his inconsistency and lousy A/T ratio last year (in a contract year) don't make me want to overspend for him.

Ballings7 · Post #7 » by **Ballings7** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:29 pm

I wouldn't mind him back, I also wouldn't mind him gone at all... but right now I don't think he'll be back. Clip Show or Knicks luring him away...

I'd prefer to pursue other options out there, overall, though.

deNIEd · Post #8 » by **deNIEd** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 12:16 am

Smills91 wrote:
deNIEd wrote:Other teams have more money, while our money is tied up in Moore.

Are you kidding me? I wouldn't even want to pay Udrih more than the MLE. Let him walk if it's more than that. Moore's contract has ZERO implications on the Kings capspace, and is a couple of pennies relative to the Maloofs.

Hey, I agree that I wouldn't pay Udrih more than the MLE. I don't see him as a starting PG on a successful team. But Moore's contract does have implications on the capspace. If Moore wasn't signed last year, we would be under the cap this year not over.

Personally, I would like to see the MLE not used at all this year. Resign Anthony Johnson and use Johnson, Douby, Salmons as our PG for just 1 year and see if we can address the PG issue next year.

But, saying that Moore's signing doesn't affect our capspace at all is just homerism

Post #9 » by **KingInExile** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 12:53 am

deNIEd wrote:
Smills91 wrote:
deNIEd wrote:Other teams have more money, while our money is tied up in Moore.

Are you kidding me? I wouldn't even want to pay Udrih more than the MLE. Let him walk if it's more than that. Moore's contract has ZERO implications on the Kings capspace, and is a couple of pennies relative to the Maloofs.

Hey, I agree that I wouldn't pay Udrih more than the MLE. I don't see him as a starting PG on a successful team. But Moore's contract does have implications on the capspace. If Moore wasn't signed last year, we would be under the cap this year not over.

Personally, I would like to see the MLE not used at all this year. Resign Anthony Johnson and use Johnson, Douby, Salmons as our PG for just 1 year and see if we can address the PG issue next year.

But, saying that Moore's signing doesn't affect our capspace at all is just homerism

Sorry to burst your bubble, but you're completely wrong. As the roster stands at this moment (not counting unrestricted FAs), the Kings' salary is $63.1M. Add in the three draft picks and we enter the summer with about $65.5M in salary. At a low estimate, the cap for next season will likely be about $58.4M (assumes 5% increase from last year). I don't know about you, but the math classes I took tells me that $65.5M minus $5.8M (Moore's salary) comes out to $59.7M...which is still greater than $58.4M (over the cap). Moore's contract makes no difference to our cap situation.

But I guess competency in basic math is just homerism.

Post #10 » by **ICMTM** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:14 am

Smills91 wrote:
deNIEd wrote:Other teams have more money, while our money is tied up in Moore.

Are you kidding me? I wouldn't even want to pay Udrih more than the MLE. Let him walk if it's more than that. Moore's contract has ZERO implications on the Kings capspace, and is a couple of pennies relative to the Maloofs.

I think $25/5yr is rich for Beno. That's MLE money

sacstar16 · Post #11 » by **sacstar16** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:32 am

I like Udrih but I agree with most of you- it really doesn't matter to me if he stays or goes.

sacstar16 · Post #12 » by **sacstar16** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:33 am

I like Udrih but I agree with most of you- it really doesn't matter to me if he stays or goes.

Post #13 » by **KF10** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:39 am

Yeah, I like Udrih. He did very well when Bibby was out. Eh, it really doesn't matters if we sign him or not. BUT if we lose him AND Artest, we will lose significant firepower and the team's overall strength will be lower. Just to put into perspective

deNIEd · Post #14 » by **deNIEd** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:47 am

KingInExile wrote:Sorry to burst your bubble, but you're completely wrong. As the roster stands at this moment (not counting unrestricted FAs), the Kings' salary is $63.1M. Add in the three draft picks and we enter the summer with about $65.5M in salary. At a low estimate, the cap for next season will likely be about $58.4M (assumes 5% increase from last year). I don't know about you, but the math classes I took tells me that $65.5M minus $5.8M (Moore's salary) comes out to $59.7M...which is still greater than $58.4M (over the cap). Moore's contract makes no difference to our cap situation.

But I guess competency in basic math is just homerism.

That's assuming Artest does not opt out...

Smills91 · Post #15 » by **Smills91** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:54 am

deNIEd wrote:
KingInExile wrote:Sorry to burst your bubble, but you're completely wrong. As the roster stands at this moment (not counting unrestricted FAs), the Kings' salary is $63.1M. Add in the three draft picks and we enter the summer with about $65.5M in salary. At a low estimate, the cap for next season will likely be about $58.4M (assumes 5% increase from last year). I don't know about you, but the math classes I took tells me that $65.5M minus $5.8M (Moore's salary) comes out to $59.7M...which is still greater than $58.4M (over the cap). Moore's contract makes no difference to our cap situation.

But I guess competency in basic math is just homerism.

That's assuming Artest does not opt out...

No you're assuming he does. Artest WON'T opt out, any reasonable and logical person can and WILL see that.

Ballings7 · Post #16 » by **Ballings7** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 2:14 am

If he values winning more over money (like he indicated earlier this year), then it's justified.

SacKingZZZ · Post #17 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 4:19 am

Yeah, the Clippers may have a need for PG but in looking at the two rosters we have just as big a need and maybe even bigger one then they do.

vtime · Post #18 » by **vtime** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 2:04 pm

Udrih is being undervalued. 25 years old, two championship rings, a sold shooter, shoots good percentages, especially from the FT career 82%.

Post #19 » by **pillwenney** » Sun Jun 29, 2008 4:20 am

vtime wrote:Udrih is being undervalued. 25 years old, two championship rings, a sold shooter, shoots good percentages, especially from the FT career 82%.

He's also not an especially good playmaker. He can be a starter on a great team if surrounded by great players, but other than that, on a team looking to contend, he's a bench player.

SacKingZZZ · Post #20 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Sun Jun 29, 2008 6:30 am

mitchweber wrote:
vtime wrote:Udrih is being undervalued. 25 years old, two championship rings, a sold shooter, shoots good percentages, especially from the FT career 82%.

He's also not an especially good playmaker. He can be a starter on a great team if surrounded by great players, but other than that, on a team looking to contend, he's a bench player.

I don't know about that. There have been plenty of championship teams with worse PG's. He is a solid 13 ppg, 5-6 apg type of player and if we come out big in other areas he may be just fine. Plus he is pretty big for a PG. I do think he is worth the MLE, but if another team offered him any more than that then he's got to go.