What I believe is true.

is1531 · Post #1 » by **is1531** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 2:40 am

Ed has done several podcasts, but the one that I take the most from is, the one he did with WIP. On the podcast he talks about that some teams have already contacted him about his cap space for trades, dealing with signed players, not free agents. Ed was contected by a few teams. I think this is the backup plan for Ed, while Ed looks toward Elton Brand and Josh Smith as his prime ribs.

It was on another podcast after the draft that Ed stated they still needed 2 more players, but not on this one. I believe Ed may already have a trade in place, but will not use it before he finds out if he can sign Josh Smith or Brand.

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Kman25 · Post #2 » by **Kman25** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 2:44 am

I think he wants Baron Davis and one of the PFs but who knows

bedjaw · Post #3 » by **bedjaw** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 10:59 am

I agree with you. I looked at all teams and the most logical scenario is Seattle w/ Wilcox. I don't think this is a bad b/u plan. He's relatively cheap (6.5M) and his contract expires next year. Good player but not great but will give us at least a year to see what MS has.

P.S. I can almost guarantee they are not looking at Baron Davis. Sorry. LouWill is going to be given every opportunity to be the PG for this team. That is what Ed and Mo want.

ChuckS · Post #4 » by **ChuckS** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:01 pm

[quote] "I agree with you. I looked at all teams and the most logical scenario is Seattle w/ Wilcox."

I was kind of hoping that was the case. When he was a rookie I thought he would be a superstar. That didn't happen, but I still think he is very good and would help us. Of the fours realistically available he seems the "safest" because of his abilities, length of contract, and of course cost. I, personally, liked the Zach idea (pre-draft) but he ties up a lot of money for three years and is an infinitely bigger risk. It's possible but I just cannot believe we could get Brand, and I'm very lukewarm about Frye. I do like and would grab Jamison.

I was worried about Stefanski early on, but really liked his draft. (Of course I always credit DiLeo.) I had two preferences, and could not make up my mind between Speights and Thompson. I worried somewhat when Ed talked about the "new" NBA power forward. I didn't like Thad in the spot last year, but think he could just as easily grow enough to play it in the future as many who were being talked about.

It is always good to get an exceptional talent, but I do not think we need an Ellis caliber two, because I like the idea of moving Iguodala there with Young and Carney at the three. I am notoriously economical, but would be more inclined this year to fix our shooting needs with inexpensive, Eddie House type, specialists. I'm extremely partial, but I still think we could get someone like Dimitris Nichols for pennies, who would provide as much or more than what we would have had with Green and some of the other draft options.

But back to the matter at hand. I think Wilcox would improve the four position tremendously while leaving us enough money to add a few dedicated sharpshooters and help absorb the pay increases to AI and Lou. Then, if we do not trade Miller, we will still have his ten million dollar (or thereabouts) salary to spend next year.

I do not want to say this because it is still early. But I am not as convinced about Williams being our starting point of the future. It is not because I think he will not pass and maybe even run the team acceptably, although some scorers never become instinctive, timely, passers. And I certainly appreciate the scoring threat he provides. As I said in an earlier post, I am not as convinced that he will become an acceptable defender. But, to repeat, it is still early.

psykosacul · Post #5 » by **psykosacul** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:32 pm

why would seattle do that that though? they dont need cap room this year, they need it in the future (which they get because his deal ends. they do not have enough beef upfront if they give up wilcox. he is an up and down pf just like they need with that roster.

Post #6 » by **The Guilty Party** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:46 pm

Is this news??? Ed has been saying this for months that the cap space could be used in a trade. Are we to be shocked that other teams are aware of what's happening around the league and that the Sixers are the only team with cap space who will use it??

Also... I don't think Ed is after Baron Davis. If you recall from when Iverson was dealt, Davis made it very clear he has no intentions of going to the East Coast. As for LouWill, Ed has said repeatedly that he doesn't believe LouWill is a true PG and even went as far as to say that Lou will compete for the starting SG this year during his post-draft press conference.

As for Wilcox, well... because he's an expiring contract I think it will take more than cap space to trade for him. For me, Wilcox is a nice Plan C. That's not saying I don't want him but there are other options ahead of him.

Plan A: Sign Brand or Smith or Okafor

Plan B: Trade Miller/Evans for Marion and use the cap space to obtain a PG (Hinrich or one of Memphis' PGs)

Plan C: Trade for either Wilcox, Gooden, Villanueva or Wright.

is1531 · Post #7 » by **is1531** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:54 pm

Kman25 wrote:I think he wants Baron Davis and one of the PFs but who knows

I would really like to get Ramond Felton and either Brand or Josh Smith.

Post #8 » by **The Guilty Party** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:56 pm

Also, not that I would be for it but I don't think it's that hard to believe that he got a call from Marlboro Walsh offering Randolph for cap space and a call from Steve Kerr offering Diaw for cap space. Apparently Kerr is and has been shopping Diaw around but hasn't found any takers. Based on last year's Kurt Thomas trade, I think it's safe to say that the Suns are one again looking to cut salary except this time, they don't have picks to send out.

is1531 · Post #9 » by **is1531** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 2:00 pm

The Guilty Party wrote:Is this news??? Ed has been saying this for months that the cap space could be used in a trade. Are we to be shocked that other teams are aware of what's happening around the league and that the Sixers are the only team with cap space who will use it??

Also... I don't think Ed is after Baron Davis. If you recall from when Iverson was dealt, Davis made it very clear he has no intentions of going to the East Coast. As for LouWill, Ed has said repeatedly that he doesn't believe LouWill is a true PG and even went as far as to say that Lou will compete for the starting SG this year during his post-draft press conference.

As for Wilcox, well... because he's an expiring contract I think it will take more than cap space to trade for him. For me, Wilcox is a nice Plan C. That's not saying I don't want him but there are other options ahead of him.

Plan A: Sign Brand or Smith or Okafor

Plan B: Trade Miller/Evans for Marion and use the cap space to obtain a PG (Hinrich or one of Memphis' PGs)

Plan C: Trade for either Wilcox, Gooden, Villanueva or Wright.

If the 76ers make the Marion trade, they better not give up Miller and the Utah Pick. It has to be Miller or the Utah pick. Miami can have the fillers.

Post #10 » by **The Guilty Party** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 2:25 pm

I'm not going to get worked up over the Utah pick as long as ES obtains a PG without breaking the bank. I am fully prepared to give up Miller, Evans, Utah's pick, our 2009 pick, and cap space to obtain Marion and a PG like Hinrich.

The Utah pick is going to be in the mid 20's so it doesn't hold much value for me. Our pick will also be in the late teens so I'm not that concerned. The addition of Marion would enable to have a stud player this year who fits the mold of this team and $14MIL in cap space next year when once again, we can go after Brand and other available players.

psykosacul · Post #11 » by **psykosacul** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 2:32 pm

The Guilty Party wrote:Also, not that I would be for it but I don't think it's that hard to believe that he got a call from Marlboro Walsh offering Randolph for cap space and a call from Steve Kerr offering Diaw for cap space. Apparently Kerr is and has been shopping Diaw around but hasn't found any takers. Based on last year's Kurt Thomas trade, I think it's safe to say that the Suns are one again looking to cut salary except this time, they don't have picks to send out.

im hoping there is a team out there that is hungry for diaw, (chicago) so a three way deal could be made. phx gets our cap room, third team gets diaw... we get third teams talent

corwin · Post #12 » by **corwin** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 2:41 pm

If the 76ers make the Marion trade, they better not give up Miller and the Utah Pick. It has to be Miller or the Utah pick. Miami can have the fillers.

How about Green, Miller & the Utah pick for Marion and/or Chalmers or Daequan Cook. You get a PF & either a back-up PG or SG/shooting specialist. Personally, I'd do that because Ed would have cap space once again in 09 & could make a decision on Marion after the season. BTW I think Chalmers is going to be better than Kyle Lowry on both sides of the court.

bedjaw · Post #13 » by **bedjaw** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 4:50 pm

The Guilty Party wrote:Is this news??? Ed has been saying this for months that the cap space could be used in a trade. Are we to be shocked that other teams are aware of what's happening around the league and that the Sixers are the only team with cap space who will use it??

Also... I don't think Ed is after Baron Davis. If you recall from when Iverson was dealt, Davis made it very clear he has no intentions of going to the East Coast. As for LouWill, Ed has said repeatedly that he doesn't believe LouWill is a true PG and even went as far as to say that Lou will compete for the starting SG this year during his post-draft press conference.

As for Wilcox, well... because he's an expiring contract I think it will take more than cap space to trade for him. For me, Wilcox is a nice Plan C. That's not saying I don't want him but there are other options ahead of him.

Plan A: Sign Brand or Smith or Okafor

Plan B: Trade Miller/Evans for Marion and use the cap space to obtain a PG (Hinrich or one of Memphis' PGs)

Plan C: Trade for either Wilcox, Gooden, Villanueva or Wright.

Maybe this is semantics but all Ed has ever said is that they are unsure if LW is a PG or Combo and that right now he is a combo. But it is unquestionable that it is in the 76ers best long-term interest "if" LWill becomes a PG. If that happens AM can be moved for another quality big or shooter. But they have to have an answer on that this year and that is why I feel LWill will be given every opportunity to become their PG this year. That is one question that must be answered.

If you believe what comes out of Seattle....the Sonics could be $60M in the hole. If that is the truth they maybe looking to dump salary and get some picks. Plus they drafted Jeff green to be the PF so I don't believe the Sonics are an organization that will stockpile high priced talent. And yes I do believe that option is no more than plan C.

Now that YI is in NJ I don't think CV is available but I'd be ok with Gooden and/or Wright also just as long as we don't have to give up equal value.

IggyTheBEaST · Post #14 » by **IggyTheBEaST** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 5:07 pm

psykosacul wrote:im hoping there is a team out there that is hungry for diaw, (chicago) so a three way deal could be made. phx gets our cap room, third team gets diaw... we get third teams talent

im down with that. What teams do you think are interested and what do u think theyd give up. I wouldnt think theyd give up much but I could be wrong. I dont think Diaw ha smuch value but apparently TJ ford could have landed Gerald Wallace so that shows how much I know.

is1531 · Post #15 » by **is1531** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 5:35 pm

corwin wrote:
If the 76ers make the Marion trade, they better not give up Miller and the Utah Pick. It has to be Miller or the Utah pick. Miami can have the fillers.

How about Green, Miller & the Utah pick for Marion and/or Chalmers or Daequan Cook. You get a PF & either a back-up PG or SG/shooting specialist. Personally, I'd do that because Ed would have cap space once again in 09 & could make a decision on Marion after the season. BTW I think Chalmers is going to be better than Kyle Lowry on both sides of the court.

I am down with your deal. You did not overpay for Marion. I really do not think the Heat want to keep Marion, so why help them. It has to be one or the other. Your deal is fair.

Post #16 » by **The Guilty Party** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 6:24 pm

psykosacul wrote:im hoping there is a team out there that is hungry for diaw, (chicago) so a three way deal could be made. phx gets our cap room, third team gets diaw... we get third teams talent

That sounds good to me but the real problem seems to be a lack of interest in Diaw or more importantly, Diaw's contract. I think that a three-team deal with our cap space is what is going to happen. While I hope it happens, I doubt we straight up sign a free agent away from a team. After that, I don't see too many teams that would be looking to dump a player for cap space that I would have interested in dealing with straight up. However, a three team deal could make a lot of sense.

Sixers1983 · Post #17 » by **Sixers1983** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 7:57 pm

bedjaw wrote:I agree with you. I looked at all teams and the most logical scenario is Seattle w/ Wilcox. I don't think this is a bad b/u plan. He's relatively cheap (6.5M) and his contract expires next year. Good player but not great but will give us at least a year to see what MS has.

P.S. I can almost guarantee they are not looking at Baron Davis. Sorry. LouWill is going to be given every opportunity to be the PG for this team. That is what Ed and Mo want.

Wilcox is a very good backup plan. I still think that brand and josh smith are pipe dreams so ed has to look at the next best thing. Wilcox and a shooter like james jones for example would go a long way to getting us back in the playoff hunt.

is1531 · Post #18 » by **is1531** » Sun Jun 29, 2008 12:15 am

Sixers1983 wrote:
bedjaw wrote:I agree with you. I looked at all teams and the most logical scenario is Seattle w/ Wilcox. I don't think this is a bad b/u plan. He's relatively cheap (6.5M) and his contract expires next year. Good player but not great but will give us at least a year to see what MS has.

P.S. I can almost guarantee they are not looking at Baron Davis. Sorry. LouWill is going to be given every opportunity to be the PG for this team. That is what Ed and Mo want.

Wilcox is a very good backup plan. I still think that brand and josh smith are pipe dreams so ed has to look at the next best thing. Wilcox and a shooter like james jones for example would go a long way to getting us back in the playoff hunt.

James Jones shoots 44% from 3 point range, but he a SF. We do not need any SF's. If he could play 2 guard, then it would be different.

Sixers1983 · Post #19 » by **Sixers1983** » Sun Jun 29, 2008 1:19 am

Maybe he could play the two. Right now besides green, they don't really have a two. You are right about the small forwards and the glut we have at that spot but we still don't know who ed will move out this offseason. Iggy will probably be at the two spot and we all know he doesn't have a consistent enough range for that spot. If ed makes a deal instead of signing a shooter, we may get that spot covered through the trade.

LongLiveHinkie · Post #20 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Sun Jun 29, 2008 2:48 am

If you want Wilcox for a couple years, then why even sign anyone at all? This team isn't going to go anywhere with Wilcox. Now that our team has been seasoned and made the playoffs, if I found out tomorrow that we weren't at least going to make the ECF, then I'd rather miss the playoffs all together and get a lotto pick.

If the Sixers make the right moves, we can win the east next season. Signing players like Wilcox will make us hover around .500, maybe make the playoffs and go nowhere. I either want boom or bust. This way if we bust, at least we can add a top 5 talent.

To me it is Brand, Jamison, Josh Smiff, trade for a legit 20/10 guy or I don't want a player at all. Sit on the money, hit the lotto, land a stud, and try again next year.