Josh Smith and Next Year's Lineup

[51X3RF4N]

Going back to the discussion at hand, I do not feel Iggy is AS good as Pierce, but I think he can be. And I think in terms of Defense especially, he is already.

I also think that Pierce had his best year THIS year. His other years statistically may have been better, but his team didn't win squat. The ONLY time Pierce was worth anything in terms of wins was when he was paired with other good players ala Antoine Walker during their run together.

Iggy, on the other hand, put up lesser numbers, yet had BETTER years when he was with AI and CWebb. I say that in terms of his overall impact on the team and his defensive ability.

Of course, as I mentioned earlier, his best season statistically was this year, when he was with Miller. Which means with a decent PG on the team and a scoring cast around him, it is very possible he will have his best season both statistically and in terms of helping the team win in the same year, which IMO could be the next few years IF we get enough O help.

My whole point was that Iggy can be a member of a championship team in the future, given the right couple guys around him. It is not as if we need to trade him right now, as some people would like(myself included up until recently). We have already put some pieces in place to make a true TEAM and make a run at a championship with Iggy included. Why give up on it so soon and go in another direction? That's all.

I guess I'm done with this topic now since I don't want to be insulted anymore.

[SendEm]

Yet another addition to the ignore list...

[Kman25]

Iggy is playing SF when he sould be SG, he has tougher matchups which could be why he doesnt score as much as the so called "go to guy". The fact is this team made the playoffs when everyone else said this was a team that would either be last in the whole NBA or close to last, and it was because of Miller and Iggy they made it. If we add a PF like Smith or any of the big 3 PFs that are out there in FA(Jamison, Okefor, Smith) and also in trade(sheed)that changes everything. It means Willie green becomes maybe the 7th or 8th option and not the starting SG.

[bebopdeluxe]

51X3RF4N:

Head...meet wall....wall...meet head.

The "ignore" button is the path to your salvation here...

Use it.

[51X3RF4N]

I know bebop...it's just the point. Stick to your guns and do what you said you would. I'm talking about the mods of course.

I am very big on principal.

Either way, I'm done with his/her sorry ass. And there's no way I should be punished for saying that compared to what he/she has said in the past.

[freshie2]

I think he asked about the voting issue b/c you are listed as a sophomore...I guess a college sophomore should be able to vote, but maybe he thinks you are very smart and went to college when you were 16??

[51X3RF4N]

yeah maybe freshie.....but since you are an assistant coach, doesn't that mean you have insider info? Spills the beans!

[corwin]

Iggy as good as Paul Pierce? I'm not quite sure what to say about that & I'm not going to run though shooting percentage, PPG, etc. Also, let it be said that I don't even like Pierce & as a long-time Philly fan, I generally can't stand the Celtics. But let's be fair to Pierce. He has been a go-to guy from the minute he joined the Celtics, one of the most dangerous offensive players in the game, and a clear #1 option on offense As we all got to see this season, he was able to pick up the defense and rebounding and defer his offense in order to integrate Garnet & Ray Allen into the offensive flow. Iguodala shows other skills on defense and other emerging leadership skills but IMO will never be "one of the most danger offensive players in the game." "a clear #1 option on offense" nor does he show any indication that he will integrate other players into the "offensive flow." There has been plenty of agreement that he is a #2 or #3 option on offense & some on this forum see him as #4. SendEm makes this point frequently and well. Sure he gets a little combative at times but his insights add some substance to this forum. If any other posters want to ignore him, do so but I would not like to see him banned.

[76erinSJ]

I wonder how long itll be before Sendem has so many people on his ignore list that the only post he'll see on the forum are from the mods?

Corwin, no offense to you but Sendem should be banned. Every thread turns into a iggy bashing thread and he insults people all the time. He has just learned how to do it to the point that he wont get banned. I don't understand how someone can hijack every single thread and turn it into a Dala hate thread and not get banned. He is ruining the purpose of the threads and the moral of the board. He is slowly turning into Jem and Ricky. He thinks he has a superior knowledge of the game then anyone here and believes everything he types is fact and not opinion. I just dont understand why he has to be such a combative person on the forum.

I am honestly dreading if or when the Sixers sign Dala to a long contract because then Sendem will go off his rocker. I just don't understand why he hates him so much? I hate when he brings up that Dala was the same player when AI was here. AI and Webber era was horrible and Dala was told to just play d. Dala has all the tools to be a 20 plus point player comparable to Pierce with better D. He just has to learn how to use those tools.

If you go over all of his threads while he was here has insulted enough people to be banned. I just dont understand why he hasn't yet.

One question. If Sendem is on another teams board and gets warned or suspended by a mod over there, would that be taken into consideration into what he has done over here? Just curious because I'm just tired of him.

[51X3RF4N]

Well, besides all of that, I didn't say Iggy was as good as PP.

I said they have similar games/skill sets. And similar numbers. I said Iggy's numbers were better than PP's this season. And I said if you build a team around Iggy that has offensive abilities to take pressure off him being the scorer, you could win a championship. That's all I said or at least all I meant to say.

Either way, I am taking a hiatus from this board in terms of posting on a regular basis. I will sit back and read, and post scenarios that I think are interesting. But I am kind of tired of all the personalities to be honest. I know I haven't been POSTING for a long time, or a MEMBER, but I have been reading these boards for 7 years(I think 7, I know it was at LEAST since 2001, maybe even earlier). Damn I'm getting old....And I can't stand reading the different threads in the last 6-8 months. Many of them are either just arguments between one poster and another, or are being completely highjacked by people who just would rather fight over numbers than have a discussion about the actual topic. It's sickening. Threads in the past have been all-inclusive, where everyone gets a voice and congruently speaks to one another. And the topic is the only focus. Too often in the past 4-6 months I have seen threads get completely taken over(and I admit I have been involved). The discussion deteriorates into one thing or another and it gets waaaaayy off topic.

It hasn't been this bad since a certain poster named Ricky was around. And I apologize for my part in any of it.

I mean, the official threads are still good and all, but the individual threads have been blah compared to some of the good discussions from about a year and a half ago and even years before.

Nothing against anyone individually, but the actual material on this board pre-summer 2007 was much easier to read and much more entertaining. It HAS gone down hill no matter what some people may say in terms of quality. And even though Ricky was a pain in the neck often, he at least put SOME humor that many of us could enjoy into his posts, while at the same time being a complete buttnugget.

Anywho, that is my rant on the board as a whole right now. I'm done. Going to sleep. I will continue to read and post when I feel necessary, but I liked this board much better back about 12-18 months ago. And for 7 or so years leading up to it.

Go Sixers! I want a Championship in the next 3 years!

[76erinSJ]

This is a quote from the Hawks board that Sendem was trolling. Just found it very interesting that he has a whole another forum to bring down now.

A hawksmaniac/sendem argument would be epic. They would never get anywhere and I'm sure it would eventually turn into "yo momma" jokes or something.

No I normally take the high road and watch other people melt down while I laugh. Just like this thread has degenerated because no one can come up with a plausible reason why Josh Smith is more than just a regular season gimmick at PF so you have people bringing up other posters that don't post anylonger. This is common, very common on the internet. On the Philly board I was supposedly the new username for Ricky Price or something like that since I don't like Iggy and before Ricky was banned He was known for not like Dalembert. I wasn't around this messageboard when this Ricky guy was posting. Humans are so common and predictable. If I go to another board at some point in life with an opinion that is contrary to status quo they will also have some ousted poster that I will be compared to. People online need to get a life because someone like me I RARELY remember any of these screennames, but these predictable people keep these usernames in remembrance as if they were actual people that they had physical real life interactions with.

[51X3RF4N]

Well, to attempt to get this thread back on topic and off SendEm because this is unfair to keep going, I really don't know about Josh Smith on the Sixers.

I really like the idea of a young, freaky athletic, scoring forward. But, I am just not sure about bringing him in as our PF. I too have concerns about strength and size. This league is beginning to head in another direction from the small lineups. The Knicks, Nets, Celtics, Raptors for example all have 2 guys that are at least 6'10 or bigger. And they are all pretty big strong guys.

Can J. Smith compete and defend these guys? Or will he get pushed around? And can he score on the bigger guys in the post? Or will he rely on facing up and trying to drive?

I just don't know, and with a bigger guy who is stronger, and at least 7' tall, we have a better shot down low. Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel more comfortable with 2 bigs.

[corwin]

I wonder how long itll be before Sendem has so many people on his ignore list that the only post he'll see on the forum are from the mods?

Corwin, no offense to you but Sendem should be banned. Every thread turns into a iggy bashing thread and he insults people all the time. He has just learned how to do it to the point that he wont get banned. I don't understand how someone can hijack every single thread and turn it into a Dala hate thread and not get banned. He is ruining the purpose of the threads and the moral of the board. He is slowly turning into Jem and Ricky. He thinks he has a superior knowledge of the game then anyone here and believes everything he types is fact and not opinion. I just dont understand why he has to be such a combative person on the forum.

I am honestly dreading if or when the Sixers sign Dala to a long contract because then Sendem will go off his rocker. I just don't understand why he hates him so much? I hate when he brings up that Dala was the same player when AI was here. AI and Webber era was horrible and Dala was told to just play d. Dala has all the tools to be a 20 plus point player comparable to Pierce with better D. He just has to learn how to use those tools.

If you go over all of his threads while he was here has insulted enough people to be banned. I just dont understand why he hasn't yet.

One question. If Sendem is on another teams board and gets warned or suspended by a mod over there, would that be taken into consideration into what he has done over here? Just curious because I'm just tired of him.

No offense taken. I understand you POV & I do hope that SendEm tones it down. However, he does have good insights about the game. The other thing is that he wants to build a championship team, not just a better team that will compete at the same/slightly higher level every year, i.e. not a team like the Wizards for example. IMO to do that you have to have a star or two and not overpay other guys. That's why Iguodala needs to get slotted into the 5/$50 million dollar range. I believe that's SendEm's major beef with Iguodala. That & the fact that Thad Young plays the same position. He also didn't show up against Detroit. I like Iguodala's talent but I have some of the same concerns.

[IggyTheBEaST]

Of coarse there are concerns about paying a 2nd tier guy, franchise money, but if its comes down to paying him or letting him walk, you gota cough up the dough or itll send you back years. Im not oppossed to trading him, but I think dumping him is outlandish

[SendEm]

Of coarse there are concerns about paying a 2nd tier guy, franchise money, but if its comes down to paying him or letting him walk, you gota cough up the dough or itll send you back years. Im not oppossed to trading him, but I think dumping him is outlandish

How would it send us back years just to allow him to walk? We have Thad who is a true SF and not a SF/SG combination like Iggy. With Iggy's money off of the books it will allow us to sign a player in free agency that is much better and compliments what we have.Renouncing Iggy will actually propel us forward much faster towards a championship EVEN if it means we have a terrible record in 2008-2009. If we have a terrible record next year that is a plus because we will have a higher draft pick. But I doubt that we'll have a horrible record next seasons if we renounce Iggy and acquire a starting PF. We will have Iggy's money and Miller's money off of the books for the summer of 2009. Who is available then?

2009 Free Agents:

The Big Dawgs:
Drew Gooden
Allen Iverson (almost certain to re-sign with Denver)
Rasheed Wallace
Baron Davis (if he does not exercise the opt out in 2008)
Elton Brand
Lamar Odom
Kobe Bryant (option)
Jason Kidd
Stephon Marbury
Jamal Crawford (player option for 09/10 and 10/11 - 50/50)
Eddy Curry (player option for 09/10, 10/11 - 50/50)
Hedo Turkoglu (player option for 09/10, unlikely)
Andre Miller
Steve Nash (player option, unlikely)
Grant Hill
Steve Francis
Ron Artest (can opt out in '08)
Mike Bibby
Carlos Boozer (player option for 09/10 unlikely)
Mehmet Okur (player option for 09/10 unlikely)

The Rookie Contracts:
Marvin Williams (restricted)
Raymond Felton (restricted)
Jason Maxiell (restricted)
Luther Head (restricted)
Danny Granger (restricted)
Andrew Bynum (restricted)
Hakim Warrick (restricted)
Andrew Bogut (restricted)
Charlie Villanueva (restricted)
Rashard McCants (restricted)
Chris Paul (restricted)
Nate Robinson (restricted)
David Lee (restricted)
Channing Frye (restricted)
Jarrett Jack (restricted)
Francisco "Paco" Garcia (restricted)
Deron Williams (restricted)

Young Filler Material, Given Up, With Potential:
Marquis Daniels (team option, unlikely to be picked up)
Desmond Mason
Chris Wilcox

They Still Living?
Eric Snow
Brevin Knight
Damon Stoudemire
Smush Parker
Juwan Howard
Antoine Walker (player option for 09/10, 10/11 - likely)
Jason Collins
Bobby Jackson
Malik Rose
Raef LaFrentz
Wally Szczerbiak

2010 Free Agents:

The Big Dawgs:
Joe Johnson
Ray Allen
Ben Wallace
LeBron James (player option, likely)
Dirk Nowitzki (player option, unlikely)
Josh Howard (player option, likely)
Marcus Camby
Rip Hamilton
Stephen Jackson
Tracy McGrady
Shaquille O'Neal
Dwyane Wade (player option for 10/11, unlikely)
Michael Redd (player option for 10/11, likely)
Tyson Chandler (player option for 10/11 - 50/50)
Eddy Curry (player option for 10/11 - 50/50)
Amare Stoudemire (player option for 10/11, unlikely)
Brad Miller
Manu Ginobili
Chris Bosh (player option for 10/11, unlikely)

The Rookie Contracts:
Shelden WIlliams (restricted)
Rajon Rondo (restricted)
Adam Morrison (brah ha ha)
Tyrus Thomas (restricted)
Rudy Gay (restricted)
Kyle Lowry (restricted)
Randy Foye (restricted)
Marcus Williams (restricted)
Josh Boone (restricted)
Renaldo Balkman (restricted)
Mardy Collins (restricted)
Brandon Roy (restricted)
Sergio Rodriguez (restricted)
LaMarcus Aldridge (restricted)
Quincy Douby (restricted)
Ronnie Brewer (restricted)
Andrea Bargnani (restricted)

Young Filler Material:
Amir Johnson
Al Harrington
Cuttino Mobley
Tim Thomas
Derek Fisher
Mike Miller
Darko Mlicic
Brian Cardinal
Udonis Haslim
Quentin Richardson
Raja Bell
TJ Ford (player option for 10/11, unlikely)

Won't Be In The League Much Longer:
Mark Blount
Bobby Simmons
Troy Hudson
Jerome James
Darius Miles
Travis Outlaw
Kenny Thomas
Shareef Abdul-Rahim
Bruce Bowen
Matt Bonner
Luke Ridnour
Earl Watson
Damien Wilkens
Matt Harpring
Etan Thomas
Antonio Davis
Brendon Haywood

[Sixers1983]

Well, to attempt to get this thread back on topic and off SendEm because this is unfair to keep going, I really don't know about Josh Smith on the Sixers.

I really like the idea of a young, freaky athletic, scoring forward. But, I am just not sure about bringing him in as our PF. I too have concerns about strength and size. This league is beginning to head in another direction from the small lineups. The Knicks, Nets, Celtics, Raptors for example all have 2 guys that are at least 6'10 or bigger. And they are all pretty big strong guys.

Can J. Smith compete and defend these guys? Or will he get pushed around? And can he score on the bigger guys in the post? Or will he rely on facing up and trying to drive?

I just don't know, and with a bigger guy who is stronger, and at least 7' tall, we have a better shot down low. Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel more comfortable with 2 bigs.

I agree with you. I like josh smith, I just don't think we will get him because atlanta can match whatever he is offered. He got pushed around vs the celtics and I believe we should either target jamison for a three year deal and get the space back for down the road or trade for chris wilcox. Brand is not giving up 16 million for 11 million so we need to focus on what they can realistically get. Smith and brand are pipe dreams in my opinion.

[76erinSJ]

Corwin I agree with you that Sendem does give alot of good post but its the way he goes about putting them together and how he reacts when someone doesnt agree with his "opinion". He thinks his opinion as fact which is why he comes off so rude. Letting Iggy walk would be stupid. Im sorry but you just dont do that. If anything we could find someone who would want him in a sign and trade. Iggy should not get more then 65 mill. Thats the cut off point.

[51X3RF4N]

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