Andrew Bogut..

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Re: Andrew Bogut.. 

Post#21 » by crowd goes wild » Sun Jun 29, 2008 8:32 pm

ReddBogutCharlieV wrote:
crowd goes wild wrote:Ramon Sessions?

Yeah, what about him?

My fault. I was saying isn't Ramon Sessions a pass-first? I don't know much about the Bucks but this is just based off of what I saw near the end of the season.
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Re: Andrew Bogut.. 

Post#22 » by skones » Sun Jun 29, 2008 10:01 pm

Jameson41 wrote:Adding a quality slasher like RJ (Mason doesn't count) will definetly make him look better and utilise his best trait, passing. It's all dependant on how many touches he gets, surely after last season the offence would be run through him? I mean we all remember Skiles jump shooting Bulls side. With a current perimetre of MoWill, Redd and RJ it could turn ugly, but thats definetly worst case scenario.


Definitely agree with RJ helping Bogut's passing skills as far as utilization goes.

I don't think looking at Skiles 'jumpshooting' bulls is really fair to Skiles as a coach. It kind of makes it sound like he heavily emphasized guard play. To be fair you have to look at the personnel he was given. Eddy Curry was the only legit big man Skiles had. When I mean legit, I mean a guy you can give the ball to in the post and count on him to put the ball in the hoop. He averaged just under 12 attempts in a little under 29 minutes a game under Skiles tenure. In fact, in the 2004-2005 season, the Bulls breakout season, Curry led the team in scoring at 16 points per game.

Bogut received just under 12 attempts per game this past season in around 35 minutes per game. Assuming he improves a bit more on the block, there is no reason why he shouldn't be able to get up 13-14 shots per game. If Bogut improves his free throw shooting and jump shot, which I believe he will, he could easily put up 17 points per game if not more next season. (I think this, because his free throw shooting and jumper got a lot better towards the end of the year as he seemed to gain more confidence in his abilities.)

I think Mo is gone by the start of the season. I think this team will have a much better flow to it than it has in past seasons. Throughout Bogut's tenure as a Milwaukee Buck, he's had completely inept head coaching in Terry Stotts and Larry Krystkowiak. Skiles has shown he can make some pretty big improvements with teams in very short periods of time. I expect him to try to utilize Bogut much more than he has in the past.
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Re: Andrew Bogut.. 

Post#23 » by Chief » Sun Jun 29, 2008 11:44 pm

Chief wrote:Not sure why someone Bogut would clash with him.. Bogut has shown that he gives a damn and has fight in him. Cannot say that about some of his teammates.
If anyone Charlie V needs to get his **** together or he will be a goner.


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Re: Andrew Bogut.. 

Post#24 » by Buck You » Mon Jun 30, 2008 12:20 am

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Re: Andrew Bogut.. 

Post#25 » by BrewCityBBQ » Mon Jun 30, 2008 12:59 am

Villanuava, Me Williams and Dez Mason are as good as gone. You can count on it. Its just a matter of for who and what time it will happen.
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Re: Andrew Bogut.. 

Post#26 » by Jameson41 » Mon Jun 30, 2008 1:22 am

skones wrote:
Jameson41 wrote:Adding a quality slasher like RJ (Mason doesn't count) will definetly make him look better and utilise his best trait, passing. It's all dependant on how many touches he gets, surely after last season the offence would be run through him? I mean we all remember Skiles jump shooting Bulls side. With a current perimetre of MoWill, Redd and RJ it could turn ugly, but thats definetly worst case scenario.


Definitely agree with RJ helping Bogut's passing skills as far as utilization goes.

I don't think looking at Skiles 'jumpshooting' bulls is really fair to Skiles as a coach. It kind of makes it sound like he heavily emphasized guard play. To be fair you have to look at the personnel he was given. Eddy Curry was the only legit big man Skiles had. When I mean legit, I mean a guy you can give the ball to in the post and count on him to put the ball in the hoop. He averaged just under 12 attempts in a little under 29 minutes a game under Skiles tenure. In fact, in the 2004-2005 season, the Bulls breakout season, Curry led the team in scoring at 16 points per game.

Bogut received just under 12 attempts per game this past season in around 35 minutes per game. Assuming he improves a bit more on the block, there is no reason why he shouldn't be able to get up 13-14 shots per game. If Bogut improves his free throw shooting and jump shot, which I believe he will, he could easily put up 17 points per game if not more next season. (I think this, because his free throw shooting and jumper got a lot better towards the end of the year as he seemed to gain more confidence in his abilities.)

I think Mo is gone by the start of the season. I think this team will have a much better flow to it than it has in past seasons. Throughout Bogut's tenure as a Milwaukee Buck, he's had completely inept head coaching in Terry Stotts and Larry Krystkowiak. Skiles has shown he can make some pretty big improvements with teams in very short periods of time. I expect him to try to utilize Bogut much more than he has in the past.


Don't get me wrong I whole heartedly agree that the problems of that Bulls side weren't purely Skiles but also the players all im pointing out is the similarity in terms of the sides. Both were/are very perimetre dominant and similar to his Chicago side the Bucks only have one legit big man Bogut. I think Bogut will find it very hard to get up to around 20PPG, you know Redd and RJ will both drop 20+PPG and history shows its very hard for three players to average 20 on one side. I think 17PPG is right on the money.

And i'd also be VERY surprised if Mo was their opening night i feel the same about CV. Hopefully they can get a quality PLAYMAKING PG not a scorer. Ramon Sessions isn't ready to be logging more then 20 minutes a night. While dropping 20+ assists is impressive, you have to remember it was the end of the season most of those games were meaningless. And a big man who can rebound because looking at the Bucks line up who else can?

I wish Skiles the best i think his time in Chicago was ruined by inept management and roster. I wonder how much Gordon and Deng wish they'd signed thsoe contracts now?

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