Villanueva?

[Hawkeyes]

The Bucks are looking to get rid of Charlie Villanueva as soon as possible, according to The New York Daily News.

I would love to go after him..he is still young, and would be a major upgrade over Zaza, and we need as much help down low as we can get, thoughts?

[Master8492]

Zaza's playing Center and Charlie's playing PF (I think) so he'd probably be a backup to Josh Smith. I'd do it if they'd accept Zaza for him though.

[stayinschool33]

how about a 3 team deal with the bucks and memphis?

atl sends childress to memphis and solomon jones to bucks
mil sends villanueva to atl and michael ruffin to memphis
memphis trades lowry to mil and greg buckner(or jaric) to atl

[evildallas]

how about a 3 team deal with the bucks and memphis?

atl sends childress to memphis and solomon jones to bucks
mil sends villanueva to atl and michael ruffin to memphis
memphis trades lowry to mil and greg buckner(or jaric) to atl

I followed you until you said or Jaric. Ouch, got to stay away from the really bad contracts, Buckner at least gives a perimeter defender.

[HoopsGuru25]

Charlie V is a 4 with the skillset of a 3. The Hawks have no room for another PF unless that PF is really good.

[HMFFL]

I don't see Charlie being an upgrade over ZaZa at all. IF anything he's a downgrade at the 5 considering he's not his natural position to be playing at the NBA level. Depending on what it would cost Atlanta I would be interesting acquiring Charlie but nothing of real value.

Looking back: Look what Toronto received for him and look and look who they moved TJ Ford for. The Bucks will need to face the fact that Charlie will never provide them with any value.

[perthwildcat]

I kinda think Marvin and Charlie V bring a similar skill set to the team... There both kinda tweeners...

[evildallas]

I don't really have much interest in Charlie V., I just wanted to say that the headline "Bucks want to get rid of Villanueva" is kind of brutal. Makes him sound like a horrible burden on the team. He hasn't been that bad. If you check his per 36 minute numbers at basketball-reference.com you'll see that he put up decent scoring and rebounding numbers (slightly better than Josh Smith offensively which means quite a bit better than Marvin). His a one way player though, defense isn't really his forte. He seems a bid soft as a PF and not quick enough to play SF and not strong enough to play C.

Researching Villanueva, Frye, and Marvin made me realize why Marvin's trade value is a little suspect. Marvin hasn't distinguished himself statistically from 2 Fs later in the draft that are likely to be with their 3rd teams before the year is out. I know that don't play the same positions, but they all 3 are known for as forwards with primarily midrange games.

[Gutz]

Guys, do any of you actually watch NBA basketball? If you did you would know that Villanueva is a bum and that is why the Bucks want to get rid of him. He can't play the 4 at all and definitely not the 5. This guy is nothing but a jumpshooter and way too soft. He doesn't rebound worth a lick either. I want nothing to do with this clown.

[MikeRice]

I would love to trade Marv for Villanueva but I doubt the Bucks would be interested unless they really are desperate to move him. I agree Charlie and Marvin bring similar things to the table but VIllanueva does it better. He plays about 10 minutes less a game and grabs more rebounds. Villanueva lost some playing time when they drafted Yi and were obligated to give him some minutes. I think Villanueva would fit in here a lot better than Marvin and if nothing else he adds a little more size.

[HMFFL]

I would love to trade Marv for Villanueva but I doubt the Bucks would be interested unless they really are desperate to move him. I agree Charlie and Marvin bring similar things to the table but VIllanueva does it better. He plays about 10 minutes less a game and grabs more rebounds. Villanueva lost some playing time when they drafted Yi and were obligated to give him some minutes. I think Villanueva would fit in here a lot better than Marvin and if nothing else he adds a little more size.

Due to an injury Yi failed to play majority of the season. Charlie still has yet to prove much to me as a starter and if we acquired him it should only be to upgrade our bench. I'd never trade Marvin for Charlie. I believe Marvin does what's asked out of him and he did a very consistent job of it this past season. Charlie should be a better rebounder, but I would still rather have Marvin over nearly every other area, and Marvin's not expected to rebounding like your making him out to be. That's what Josh and Al Horford are for.

I'm sticking with Marvin over Charlie even if he doesn't have a 3 ball.

[ATLfan]

I would hope Charlie gets more rebounds than Marvin becuase he plays PF.

[fo_o_fo_404]

Marvin Williams > Charlie V.

Marvin's numbers have gotten better each year and if he can develop 3-point range...look out!

[td00]

Charlie V needs to stay in Milwaukee and not even consider coming here.

If we could, I would take Travis Outlaw or James Jones or Martell Webster over Marvin right now. They have more options on the offensive end, they can defend, and they will even end up cheaper than what Marvin will be projected to be earning.
Portland has a lot of pieces to deal with, and while they haven't gotten on the court yet, I like what they are putting together as far as paper-talent.

[Chapter29]

CV could not play C if his life depended on it. He would be destroyed. Outside of perhaps a couple match up specific minutes he also cannot play SF. Not nearly quick enough. A PF is what he is.

He is a pretty good offensive player and rebounder. If he didn't think he could shoot 3's he would be close to a special talent offensively. Very good around the basket. Just a nose for scoring.

Defensively he is quite possibly one of the worst starters in the league.

With all that said, I am just fine with keeping him. He's a very good guy and I honestly like him outside of his defense. I most certainly would not just give him away to rid ourselves of him.

I cannot see why Atlanta would need him. So I wouldn't even propose a trade including him with Atlanta.

The interesting part will be the CV and Skiles relationship and that may be what forces us to trade him. Skiles will likely sit you if you don't defend. That could lead to some problems. Time will tell, but CV is similar in many ways to Big Dog who would regularly put up big numbers, but often give up big numbers. My hope is that Skiles brings out some defense in him.

[Rod700]

As I said in another post, I would send Zaza and a first rounder to Miwaukee, Miwuakee sends Villanova to Memphis, Memphis sends Lowery to us. Of course, then we would need to trade Law for a back up center.