The Draft Thread - Part Two

[BassMaster]

Case in point: Fran Vasquez. A lot of people had him as a top ten pick. We needed a big guy, he slipped to us, and we took a shot on a foreigner. This was Otis taking a swing. He whiffed and people lambast him for the pick.

Bingo.

So far when it comes to players from abroad Fran has been the exception rather then the rule. In fact I remember when I first read about it there were more people in support of Otis instead of against.
Only more lately have they taken swings at him over that trade since they want to see Fran and still not Fran. I for one don't ever expect Fran to show up and after what he did would rather the Magic just trade his rights away he is just not worth all the bother.
Now that's a real Bingo.

[mhectorgato]

Anecdotal: 3. based on personal observation, case study reports, or random investigations rather than systematic scientific evaluation. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=anecdotal

Yeah, I know what that word means.

Also, I do follow "your logic", as you call it anyway. It just does not hold up to a fair evaluation because of its subjectiveness. You just can't base calling Otis a lousy GM on his unwillingness to get into this years 2cd round. Be disappointed all you want, call him a GM that does not think the way you do, but it's not a major knock on his job performance. The off season is still young.

I see you finally used the dictionary in your computer FINALLY!! So now you actually know what the word means. Now can you use it in a sentence correctly is your next lesson.
Logic for most people in the NBA is that you don't sit on your hands and say that 200 thousand is too much to spend on buying a second round draft pick. In the NBA 200 thousand is just peanuts.
The way Otis handled the draft says a lot about what kind of GM he is a GM that is afraid of stirring the waters instead he plays it safe and hopes that the owners agree with him.

This is based on the assumption that this report/source is correct and other reports - including a direct quote from a GM - from around the league are not.

[BassMaster]

Anecdotal: 3. based on personal observation, case study reports, or random investigations rather than systematic scientific evaluation. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=anecdotal

Yeah, I know what that word means.

Also, I do follow "your logic", as you call it anyway. It just does not hold up to a fair evaluation because of its subjectiveness. You just can't base calling Otis a lousy GM on his unwillingness to get into this years 2cd round. Be disappointed all you want, call him a GM that does not think the way you do, but it's not a major knock on his job performance. The off season is still young.

I see you finally used the dictionary in your computer FINALLY!! So now you actually know what the word means. Now can you use it in a sentence correctly is your next lesson.
Logic for most people in the NBA is that you don't sit on your hands and say that 200 thousand is too much to spend on buying a second round draft pick. In the NBA 200 thousand is just peanuts.
The way Otis handled the draft says a lot about what kind of GM he is a GM that is afraid of stirring the waters instead he plays it safe and hopes that the owners agree with him.

This is based on the assumption that this report/source is correct and other reports - including a direct quote from a GM - from around the league are not.

Incorrect once again this is based on a report from John Denton not an assumption, but something based on fact.

[maginno]

Anecdotal: 3. based on personal observation, case study reports, or random investigations rather than systematic scientific evaluation. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=anecdotal

Yeah, I know what that word means.

Very good you listened and looked it up. So now you know my argument isn't based on my personal observation of what the players were worth or any case study of former players. The systematic evaluation is the one that the entire NBA uses. Scouts, Gms, coaches and former coaches evaluate college players based on their play in college and rank them. Several of those experts ranked quite a few of the second rounders as possible first rounders. end of story

Also, I do follow "your logic"

You don't amd its obvious.

You just can't base calling Otis a lousy GM on his unwillingness to get into this years 2cd round.

Do I? Man I understated it before. Ask your pal Gato if it isn't all over these boards why I think Otis is a bad GM far before this draft.

Quick primer in no particular order

A) Letting expirings go without getting anything back
B) Over paying BIG TIME for Rashard and creating the present scenario where we have litte tradeable assets
C) lousy former drafts
D) Refusing to trade or play JJ (which this years pick just devalues the asset more)
E) playing fast and loose with Darko and letting him walk for nothing
F) trading Ariza and an injury exception for what now looks like a one year loan and a lousy Brian cook.

Theres a few more but pretty much destroys your argument I base my assesment on this years draft.

[maginno]

Case in point: Fran Vasquez. A lot of people had him as a top ten pick. We needed a big guy, he slipped to us, and we took a shot on a foreigner. This was Otis taking a swing. He whiffed and people lambast him for the pick.

So he's gun shy because he blew it before and the media got on him? Thats the making of a great GM. However in my book running scared does not make for a good GM quality. Did he think some of the US college players available would go to Europe too?

[mhectorgato]

Case in point: Fran Vasquez. A lot of people had him as a top ten pick. We needed a big guy, he slipped to us, and we took a shot on a foreigner. This was Otis taking a swing. He whiffed and people lambast him for the pick.

So he's gun shy because he blew it before and the media got on him? Thats the making of a great GM. However in my book running scared does not make for a good GM quality. Did he think some of the US college players available would go to Europe too?

No just an example of when he took the proverbial swing and whiff, and got zero slack for the willingness to take that swing.

This is not specific to Otis. Other GMs, in ours and other teams, face the "whole darned if I do (and it doesn't work out) and darned if I don't".

[maginno]

This is not specific to Otis. Other GMs, in ours and other teams, face the "whole darned if I do (and it doesn't work out) and darned if I don't".

Then it s part of the job and makes no point as to why he should not have taken the swing. Which then begs the question - Do you actually have a point?

Bleh. Never mind. I'm officially bored.

[mhectorgato]

This is not specific to Otis. Other GMs, in ours and other teams, face the "whole darned if I do (and it doesn't work out) and darned if I don't".

Then it s part of the job and makes no point as to why he should not have taken the swing. Which then begs the question - Do you actually have a point?

Bleh. Never mind. I'm officially bored.

The point is that - again this based on past/current history, not just current - some posters will never be satisfied.

[BassMaster]

This is not specific to Otis. Other GMs, in ours and other teams, face the "whole darned if I do (and it doesn't work out) and darned if I don't".

Then it s part of the job and makes no point as to why he should not have taken the swing. Which then begs the question - Do you actually have a point?

Bleh. Never mind. I'm officially bored.

No he doesn't have a point he just wants to argue and hope you quit then he will say I was right. Remember his posts are missing one very important ingredient logic

[Rccanes2311]

Case in point: Fran Vasquez. A lot of people had him as a top ten pick. We needed a big guy, he slipped to us, and we took a shot on a foreigner. This was Otis taking a swing. He whiffed and people lambast him for the pick.

So he's gun shy because he blew it before and the media got on him? Thats the making of a great GM. However in my book running scared does not make for a good GM quality. Did he think some of the US college players available would go to Europe too?

No just an example of when he took the proverbial swing and whiff, and got zero slack for the willingness to take that swing.

This is not specific to Otis. Other GMs, in ours and other teams, face the "whole darned if I do (and it doesn't work out) and darned if I don't".

No one kills him for taking a chance. People kill him for the fact that he drafted a guy in the top ten that has never donned a Magic uniform. It would be one thing if he was a bust, but that guy can't even be that cause he's never played in the NBA. Thats why people kill Otis for that. Reddick was a no brainer not to draft but he did it anyways. I could've told him not to waste a draft pick on him and I'm not even a scout. I wanna see us actually draft someone who can contribute and I'm hoping Lee is that person.

[eyriq]

Anecdotal: 3. based on personal observation, case study reports, or random investigations rather than systematic scientific evaluation. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=anecdotal

Yeah, I know what that word means.

Also, I do follow "your logic", as you call it anyway. It just does not hold up to a fair evaluation because of its subjectiveness. You just can't base calling Otis a lousy GM on his unwillingness to get into this years 2cd round. Be disappointed all you want, call him a GM that does not think the way you do, but it's not a major knock on his job performance. The off season is still young.

I see you finally used the dictionary in your computer FINALLY!! So now you actually know what the word means. Now can you use it in a sentence correctly is your next lesson.
Logic for most people in the NBA is that you don't sit on your hands and say that 200 thousand is too much to spend on buying a second round draft pick. In the NBA 200 thousand is just peanuts.
The way Otis handled the draft says a lot about what kind of GM he is a GM that is afraid of stirring the waters instead he plays it safe and hopes that the owners agree with him.

[maginno]

The point is that - again this based on past/current history, not just current - some posters will never be satisfied.

thats your swan song whenever you don't have a real point - just some people? You are in the minority on this issue. Even your best bud Spinedoc as reluctant as he was to agree had to. For your reading pleasure - if you are more than just a one trick pony here at realgm you'll know the fans there are some of the most die hard positive Magic fans -

http://orlandomagiczone.com/eve/forums/ ... 8301045415

http://orlandomagiczone.com/eve/forums/ ... 8541006415

read it and weep. By a landslide they think not getting another pick was a mistake.

[mhectorgato]

The point is that - again this based on past/current history, not just current - some posters will never be satisfied.

thats your swan song whenever you don't have a real point - just some people? You are in the minority on this issue. Even your best bud Spinedoc as reluctant as he was to agree had to. For your reading pleasure - if you are more than just a one trick pony here at realgm you'll know the fans there are some of the most die hard positive Magic fans -

http://orlandomagiczone.com/eve/forums/ ... 8301045415

http://orlandomagiczone.com/eve/forums/ ... 8541006415

read it and weep. By a landslide they think not getting another pick was a mistake.

They are welcome to their own opinion, as is spinedoc.

edit: Are you suggesting that I should mold my viewpoint to that of the populous? Or that my fanhood is not on level with theirs?

Isn't that what you are always fighting against here?

I'm saying Sironara to this thread.

[spinedoc]

Even your best bud Spinedoc as reluctant as he was to agree had to.

Well, since you put it that way, how could he not agree with you?

[lovehoops01]

Not to mention that some of the people on that forum are on this forum, too. They're just repeating their opinion on both boards. Just like some of the people on this forum also are on the official Magic forum and the Florida Today forum.....you get the idea.

[maginno]

Not to mention that some of the people on that forum are on this forum, too. They're just repeating their opinion on both boards. Just like some of the people on this forum also are on the official Magic forum and the Florida Today forum.....you get the idea.

Sure but how does that change the ratio of cons to pro? Its opening alot of people's eyes. Otis is on the clock. He can bail things out with an inspired hyper creative free agent period. IF not by the end of next season I'd say we'll begin to see a fire otis trend much like Bhill.

[eyriq]

http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm

The details have emerged from the Heat's draft-night trade for Timberwolves second-round pick Mario Chalmers, the point guard out of Kansas. The Heat will forward the lesser two of the three 2009 second-round picks it holds (its own, Philadelphia's and Indiana's) to Minnesota in addition to $2 million. South Florida Sun-Sentinel

Ouch. No way the Magic were going to make such a move when what they needed was a back up. That is the price you pay for a starter. If that is what teams were charging than no wonder the Magic balked.

[theTHIEF]

http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm

The details have emerged from the Heat's draft-night trade for Timberwolves second-round pick Mario Chalmers, the point guard out of Kansas. The Heat will forward the lesser two of the three 2009 second-round picks it holds (its own, Philadelphia's and Indiana's) to Minnesota in addition to $2 million. South Florida Sun-Sentinel

Ouch. No way the Magic were going to make such a move when what they needed was a back up. That is the price you pay for a starter. If that is what teams were charging than no wonder the Magic balked.

considering this info was not passed to our media through anyone in our war room, i doubt it to be factual...draft picks were going for $150-$200k no more, no less...

[UCFJayBird]

Maginno...