PF Please!! What's out there?

[Scoot McGroot]

It'd be hard enough to get Tyrus Thomas from the Bulls, but it's even harder to get Thabo Sefalosha along with him. They value Thabo pretty high.

[cdash]

Not a chance Chicago does that. Thomas still has a lot of value and I get the impression that they really like Sefolosha.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

I would love Thomas, he'd be amazing on our offense. I just don't see what we could realistically offer the Bulls though. Maybe if we take Hughes from them for expirings?

Foster/Daniels/Williams

Thomas/Hughes

I'm not sure how salaries match, but that as a starting point?

Rasho/Hibbert
Thomas/Murphy
Granger/Rush
Dunleavy/Hughes
Ford/Jack

[MUpacersSIC]

I was going to do the Hughes/Thomas thing but I didn't know if Hughes has a character problem or not so I didn't make the attempt. I also wasn't sure about Sefolosha. I tried, and probably failed. And Thomas really hasn't put up all that great of numbers for the Bulls so I think a change of system could really do him some good.

[cdash]

No worries man. Thomas is one of those eternal teases. His talent and athleticism suggests he could be a really special player. His inconsistency and attitude make you think he will never get it.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

Think of a Thomas/Ford combo though. If anyone can get Thomas to reach is potential, it would be a PG like Ford. The 2 man fast break.

[cdash]

Oh, I'd love to get Thomas here. I just dont think the Bulls trade him for anything we would be willing to give up. Also, I'm sure Del Negro is excited to see if Rose cant get Thomas to reach his potential.

[cdash]

Well this is interesting. Now RealGM is reporting that the Bucks are looking to trade Villanueva because he is not a Scott Skiles type player. Hmmm...lets make a push for him. I like him in our system and we have a gaping hole at power forward. What kind of deals do you think Milwaukee is looking for with him, and what do you guys think we would be willing to give up?

[PR07]

Villanueva is easily my #1 target. Jeff Foster seems like a Scott Skiles guy. I'd think Milwaukee would have some interest in him. It looks like they think Joe Alexander can play PF, and Jeff is fine with starting or coming off the bench and would be a nice compliment to Bogut.

Charlie Villanueva+Desmond Mason (5 million expiring) for Jeff Foster and Shawne Williams? Probably giving a little too much, but Bucks fans like it. I'm trying to see if they'd do a Foster+Graham for Villanueva and Mason.

Hibbert/Rasho/Baston
Villanueva/Murphy/McRoberts
Granger/Rush/Mason
Dunleavy/Rush/Daniels
Ford/Jack/Diener

[PR07]

Majority of Bucks fans like Stephen Graham and Jeff Foster for Villanueva and Desmond Mason. I'd do that deal as much as I like Jeff. Now if we can just get Larry to agree.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

I didn't see any of them willing to do Foster/Graham for V/Des they wanted Williams. I would include Williams in that trade. Williams had a better per/36 his 2nd year than Granger did his 2nd year, I would like to see what Williams can do off the bench in his 3rd year, he could get some very nice trade value.

Also V plays like a wing PF, we need a banger at the PF position. V doesn't play defense either, something we need to stay away from.

[PR07]

Villanueva may not be the greatest of defenders, but I wouldn't call him a bad one. We also need a better scoring option in the frontcourt than Troy Murphy and a post presence. I've seen Villanueva play in the post, he's pretty good. As for a banger, yeah I'd like to see us add one too, but I don't think it necessarily has to be a starter.

Here's Draftexpress's Scouting Report on Him:

Overview: An athletic power forward who has good skills, but is stuck between the post and the perimeter in terms of his potential. Has good size and length for either position. Shows the athleticism necessary from each as well, even if he can’t defend small forwards. Very explosive leaper. Lack ideal strength, which is problem for him down low. Has added some muscle to his frame. Displays a versatile skill set. Can do a lot of things with the ball that players his size can’t. Has had a difficult time improving as a shooter. No longer able to get by on athleticism and coordination like he did during his days as a prep at Blair Academy and in college at UCONN. Won an NCAA Championship with the Huskies in 2004. Needs to show more effort. Has the tools, but won’t be able to put them together unless he dedicates himself. Has been criticized for playing too soft, passive at times, and not always looking very focused.

Offense: A solid offensive player who has the potential to be much better. Gets almost two fifth of his offense from spot up opportunities with sizeable portions coming from post ups and offensive rebounds as well. Displays a smooth, but inconsistent jumper outside with range out past the three point line. Has improved his range since entering the League, but the consistency is still pretty far off. Decent catch and shoot guy. Pretty solid shooter off the dribble as well. Tends to drive left way more often than right. Displays good ball handling ability, but is too loose when he is trying to break his man down. Shows solid back to the basket skills, but turns over his left shoulder too predictably. Proves to be a solid finisher at the rim when he can get to it. Can play above the rim on every possession. Pretty good offensive rebounder. Still developing his perimeter and post skills. Has the raw versatility to become a very good player down the line.

Defense: An average defender who has the athleticism to be a factor. Isn’t as disruptive as he has the potential to be in the short-run. Displays very average intensity. Has the quickness to defend the perimeter and the size to defend the post. Doesn’t have great success or hardship with either. Could be considered versatile in that way, but the results just aren’t there. Rebounds at only an average rate. Needs to be more disciplined and work harder to make an impact.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

V isn't worth Foster and Williams to me. Thats just too much for him.

[Train7492]

If we could get Vill. for cheap he would be worth getting but I don't know about giving Foster up in the deal. But hear is something else to thing about. I kind of liked the Dunleavy, Murphy deal for AI, we could even ad in Denier if they wanted him. But then we could try to get Marion away from the Heat, Foster, Daniels, Williams, and Tinsley for Marion and Banks. Don't think they care for Banks, so they could give Tinsley a shot. That is the thing with Tinsley he can be a top PG if he is healthy and stays out of trouble, just needs a new start somewhere else.

Ford, AI, Granger, Marion, Rasho or Hibbert if this don't work out AI, Marion, Rasho and a few smaller contracts all expiring, almost 50 mil. I think a team like that would be fun to watch.

Just thought of something of when I got done, is there any way we could send the Heat, Rasho rather than Foster and take Blount back, rather than Banks. Just trying to make it a little better for the Heat? Don't even know if that is better.

[CableKC]

As far as I am concerned....Foster is off the table if we want to improve the lineup through trades. I am hoping that TPTB intend to keep and resign him next season. Not only is Foster one of JO'Bs favorites on this team....he does the one thing that this team DESPERATELY needs.....pulls in offensive rebounds while providing veteran experience and energy off the bench.

Many of us ( including myself ) have always said that Foster is suitable enough to start for us....but is MUCH better suited as our "1st Big Man off the bench". Now that we are in a position ( beyond this season due to the addition of Hibbert ) to truly have him come off the bench as a 7th/8th rotational Big Man, we should be looking to keep Foster as very valuable component to our future lineup.

If we had to trade an Expiring Contract....I would be looking first to move Marquis, then Rasho. The only way that I even consider Foster in any trades is if we get back a high quality PF for the future. Realistically, I prefer to make no move at all so that we have the SalaryCap flexiblility. I don't see any trade or move that we can make that would be worth jeopardizing the new found Salary/Financial Flexiblility that we have.

[Raptors90102]

Why not do something like Murphy for CV and Gadzuric? I don't know how realistic it is, but to me CV is far better player than Murphy really.. but then again, I havent seen Murphy play enough..

[PacerAtHeart88]

i like the idea someone posted of us getting kristic...
i also like CV...
either of them would work for me if we can get rid of daniels or tinsley in the process...

[Scoot McGroot]

Why not do something like Murphy for CV and Gadzuric? I don't know how realistic it is, but to me CV is far better player than Murphy really.. but then again, I havent seen Murphy play enough..

Gladly, but I just don't see Milwaukee looking to take on Murphy, even if they get to dump Gadzuric in the deal.

[PR07]

To give talent, you have to give talent. I probably would need some a sweetner back from Milwaukee if we traded Foster and Shawne Williams, but I would trade Foster for Villanueva. Yes, Foster is important to this team, and yes, he's the ultimate role player, but he's also 31 and is probably looking for a pretty decent longterm contract after this year (3-4 seasons). I'd prefer to keep Foster obviously, but I'd trade him for the 23 year old Villanueva, it makes too much sense not to.

If we were that concerned with defense and rebounding, we might be able to get Orlando to trade Tony Battie for Marquis Daniels. His contract runs a year longer than Daniels. Battie started under O'Brien in Boston. I think I'd rather have the cap space seeing as we aren't going to be contending anyways.