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ESPN reporting that Baron Davis has opted out 

Post#1 » by evildallas » Tue Jul 1, 2008 4:00 am

Wow. I'm shocked. It doesn't seem like anyone can pay him . . . unless he happens to sign with the Clippers you just had Elton Brand opt out and Corey Maggette opt out. However, that could be murky if the Clippers accept a S&T for Brand.

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Post#2 » by HMFFL » Tue Jul 1, 2008 4:10 am

I didn't expect Baron to walk away from 17 million! A longterm contract does look better for him but his options are going to be very limited (as you know).

LA and Miami probably look at Baron!
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Post#3 » by Harry10 » Tue Jul 1, 2008 4:22 am

S&T Bibby and 2009 first round pick for Baron?
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Post#4 » by killbuckner » Tue Jul 1, 2008 4:27 am

Toss in Acie as well...
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Post#5 » by HoopsGuru25 » Tue Jul 1, 2008 5:03 am

Harry10 wrote:S&T Bibby and 2009 first round pick for Baron?

That really isn't up to us though. I'm pretty sure there is no one here that is going to argue that Baron isn't better than Bibby. The question is if the ASG is willing to pay over $14 million a year for Baron Davis while paying similar money to Joe and Josh at the same time. I'm guessing that they aren't.
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Re: ESPN reporting that Baron Davis has opted out 

Post#6 » by stayinschool33 » Tue Jul 1, 2008 5:41 am

HoopsGuru25 wrote:
Harry10 wrote:S&T Bibby and 2009 first round pick for Baron?

That really isn't up to us though. I'm pretty sure there is no one here that is going to argue that Baron isn't better than Bibby. The question is if the ASG is willing to pay over $14 million a year for Baron Davis while paying similar money to Joe and Josh at the same time. I'm guessing that they aren't.


Were already paying bibby 14 million, so why not sign Childress to a mid level contract and trade both to GS for Baron Davis. That would put Childress back in southern california and we get the stud pg we needed last year.
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Post#7 » by evildallas » Tue Jul 1, 2008 6:33 am

I just got to remind you that the GSW play in Northern California, but you are right that Childress would be closer to home. I doubt we're in the Baron sweepstakes on the grounds that we can't offer them much. Either they believe than Monta Ellis can be their PG or they don't. Acquiring Bibby for a year as a stop gap doesn't help with the fact they have no one else in the cupboard. I mean Bibby, Acie, and a 1st might get them intrigued, but I expect some offers containing big name players to thrown out there. The problem with us making a big move is that it must include Bibby to make salaries match without gutting all our depth.

Also realize that a sign and trade is extremely hard to pull off in our situation.
1) you have to convince the player that he wants to come here.
2) since we don't have outright cap room to get the player you have to put together a package that the other team will take to do the S&T.
3) you have to have enough pieces left to not make the whole thing a waste of time.
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Post#8 » by Harry10 » Tue Jul 1, 2008 8:02 am

i was checking out other teams that could use Baron and trying to figure out if their could be a better offer, and i think a Bibby and first round pick looks pretty good

here are some other trades

NYK: Marbury, cash and player for Baron.

LAL: Odom for Baron

POR: LaFrentz and player for Baron

i think an ATL trade is not that much better than any of the above, but it stacks up well.
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Post#9 » by jagstang76 » Tue Jul 1, 2008 9:32 am

I'd gladly trade Bibby for Baron. I'm a little concerned to send Law as well just in case of injury to Davis, but he would make a huge impact on this team. Bibby did a lot for us last season, but Davis would do much more. If we managed to trade for him and sign Smoove and Chill back, I would call our new GM a genius and have a very difficult time waiting for the season to start.
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Re: ESPN reporting that Baron Davis has opted out 

Post#10 » by dms269 » Tue Jul 1, 2008 1:29 pm

Yahoo has mentioned possibly him going ot the Clippers since they have some cap space.
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Post#11 » by saloonyk8 » Tue Jul 1, 2008 3:48 pm

I don't think the Clips will be able to sign Mags, Brand, and Davis. I'm assuming they'd go for Baron and Brand, which would be sick. I don't know their salary cap situation enough to know what they could offer him.

Otherwise, I'd be willing to throw in Marvin to make it work. Bibby/Marvin adds up to a lot of cash and gives GSW a young player to add to their young core. It would be better though if we could convince Childress to go there in a S&T instead of Marvin though. Baron will probably want no less than $12-13M per year. The numbers, I think, may work.

The big question for me is what is ASG willing to spend. I'm assuming Josh Smith will be resigned for probably at least $12M per year. I don't think anyone will offer him the max and we should be able to keep him for around that amount.

That means our salary core players would be Davis/Smith/JJ...which is a pretty sick core when you add in Horford and Marvin on rookie contracts. We'd have a weak bench, but we've got a real weak bench now too and that wouldn't change much.

Also, I know Baron has had injury problems pretty consistently in his career, but he is still only 29 years old (hard to believe I think) and a top 5 PG. We'd have a sick, sick team...(therefore probably more fantasy than reality).

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Post#12 » by Rip2137 » Tue Jul 1, 2008 4:06 pm

Why would any team do a sign and trade for a expring player though. I mean, the main(most times only) reason take on a big expiring is to clear capspace. If the team wants to clear cap space, they can just let the player walk.

I don't see Golden State agreeing to do a sign and trade unless they are taking back young talent or big time current talent that has more than a year left on their contract. And I don't think we have that to offer.
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Post#13 » by saloonyk8 » Tue Jul 1, 2008 5:35 pm

Yea, I don't think it makes sense for GSW to take Bibby either. The only reason would be if they just want a solid PG for another year/help Ellis out at the point. The only real way to get Davis here would be a 3 way trade OR if he really tries to force their hand and says he'll take the MLE to play for Atlanta...then they'd be more inclined to take Bibby.
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Post#14 » by Harry10 » Tue Jul 1, 2008 5:47 pm

Why would any team do a sign and trade for a expring player though. I mean, the main(most times only) reason take on a big expiring is to clear capspace. If the team wants to clear cap space, they can just let the player walk.

I don't see Golden State agreeing to do a sign and trade unless they are taking back young talent or big time current talent that has more than a year left on their contract. And I don't think we have that to offer.


well GSW still want to make the playoffs next year, and GSW do run a system that is similar to what Bibby and Webber ran in SAC, and Bibby is only a one year commitment.

GSW could decide not to help Baron out with a S&T and just let him walk, and maybe try to go after Gordon or Deng or Jose, but i really don't see them going after Gordon because of Ellis.
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Post#15 » by evildallas » Tue Jul 1, 2008 5:52 pm

Rip2137 wrote:Why would any team do a sign and trade for a expring player though. I mean, the main(most times only) reason take on a big expiring is to clear capspace. If the team wants to clear cap space, they can just let the player walk.

I don't see Golden State agreeing to do a sign and trade unless they are taking back young talent or big time current talent that has more than a year left on their contract. And I don't think we have that to offer.


That was why I said our offer isn't that good. What does a year of Bibby really do for them that letting him walk and signing a different free agent PG doesn't?

We could construct an offer to get him, but it wouldn't be cheap. If Bibby is part of it, it would require a lot of picks to make it happen because he has little value to them. If it was a Childress S&T along with Acie and Zaza and picks then we would need to trade Bibby to a team that is looking to get under the cap down the line and pick up some depth, but part of the returning package would have to be a big and odds are it would require taking a bad contract back. A Josh Smith S&T would get it done for Baron, but no way in hell do I do that.

Who would be interested in Bibby? New York, Cleveland, Seattle, and Denver are the only teams that I can think of that fit the mold. Is it worth it to trade parts and picks (expect 2 1sts) to sign Baron long term and trade Bibby (1 year left) for either Jamal Crawford (3) and Jerome James (2) or Eddy Curry (3) and Nate Robinson (1)? What about Ben Wallace? Or Luke Ridnour (2) and Nick Collison (3)? Or Nene (4) and Chucky Atkins (1)?

Baron, Joe, Marvin, Josh and Al with Chucky, Mario, Jeremy, Solomon, and Nene as backups might not be bad at all if it could be pulled off.

You'd have to make some calls to determine what you could get for Bibby before you started courting Baron.
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Re: ESPN reporting that Baron Davis has opted out 

Post#16 » by killbuckner » Tue Jul 1, 2008 5:52 pm

Harry- do you really think they would take Bibby instead of just signing Josh Smith to an offersheet? They have like 17 million in caproom if they just let Baron walk.
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Post#17 » by Harry10 » Tue Jul 1, 2008 6:06 pm

killbuckner wrote:Harry- do you really think they would take Bibby instead of just signing Josh Smith to an offersheet? They have like 17 million in caproom if they just let Baron walk.


so what, Hawks will just match anyway, plus GSW already have Wright, Randolph , Biedrins, and Harrington, so i really don't know if GSW has interest in signing Josh to a five year deal.
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Re: ESPN reporting that Baron Davis has opted out 

Post#18 » by killbuckner » Tue Jul 1, 2008 6:14 pm

I just don't think any team would rather have Bibby for 1 season compared to Smith (and no one knows what would happen on a max offer with a max signing bonus). Or Deng. Or Okafor. Or even Maggette plus Childress. Bibby just isn't worth his caphit- you would have to compensate the Warriors far more to give up all that caproom. Put it another way- if Bibby were a free agent do you really think that they would choose to use all of their room on him?
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Post#19 » by Harry10 » Tue Jul 1, 2008 6:32 pm

Put it another way- if Bibby were a free agent do you really think that they would choose to use all of their room on him?


well the cap hit is just for one year. i'm not sure which free agents they like, the GSW are in a tough positions because alot of their young talent is in the forward positions and Ellis. this is not the best offer for the GSW but it is more like of a cut your loses deal for the GSW, get a pick and a servicable PG for one year (kind of like what ATL did in the send Harrington to IND trade). i "think" the only free agent worth giving that much money to is Iggy, but the GSW are not really in need of a SG or SF, and i "know" that the GSW are still looking to make the playoffs next year.
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Re: ESPN reporting that Baron Davis has opted out 

Post#20 » by killbuckner » Tue Jul 1, 2008 6:45 pm

harry- after the warriors give the extensions to Ellis and Biedrins then they won't have the same caproom next offseason. THis is their one shot where right now Biedrins counts as 8 million and Ellis only counts as 1 million against the cap.

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