Trade Exemptions 2 teams under cap

Warriorfan · Post #1 » by **Warriorfan** » Thu Jul 3, 2008 1:03 am

Both GS and the Clippers are under the cap.

In two seperate deals are trade exemptions created.

GS trades Al Harrington 9mil contract to clippers for a #2 pick. Reaches cap.

In a seperate deal Clippers trade Tim Thomas 7mil to GS for a #2 pick Reaches Cap.

Are trade exemptions created when both teams are under the cap.

lakerfan10770 · Post #2 » by **lakerfan10770** » Thu Jul 3, 2008 5:33 am

I am like 99% sure that trade exceptions are not created for a team under the cap. But, technically neither the Warriors or the Clippers are under the cap at the moment. If they renounce their free agents then they will be under the cap. I suppose that doesn't answer your question.

I think if you work it out, it would be a wash and would just be easier to trade them straight up for each other.

killbuckner · Post #3 » by **killbuckner** » Thu Jul 3, 2008 1:01 pm

You understand that real caproom is more useful than a TPE right?

So Cal Blazer Fan · Post #4 » by **So Cal Blazer Fan** » Thu Jul 3, 2008 2:04 pm

An exception is just that - an exception to the rule of 'no moves that result in a team being more than $100,000 over the cap'.

By definition, a move that leaves a team under the salary cap cannot create an exception because no rule is being violated.

Warriorfan · Post #5 » by **Warriorfan** » Thu Jul 3, 2008 2:49 pm

Here is a more layed out scenario.

Baron Davis gets signed by Clips GS renounces all other Free Agents except Biedrens Monta Buke
Charlotte renounces its free agents.

GS gets Elden Brand they reach 49 mil in salary.
They then trade Stephen Jackson 7mil to Charlotte who have the cap room. Trade Exemption created. 7 million.

GS then is under the cap again.
Charlotte then trades Morrison Felton May to GS Trade Exemption created.

Both teams don't have the MLE to use but I am asking if this legally creates exemptions greater then the MLE. Both teams have a tool to for a hopeful playoff push.

I looked at coon and was not sure.

killbuckner · Post #6 » by **killbuckner** » Thu Jul 3, 2008 3:19 pm

maybe if you try and tell us what your end goal is then we can help you get there easier. I really am having trouble following what you are trying to accomplish.

lakerfan10770 · Post #7 » by **lakerfan10770** » Thu Jul 3, 2008 3:54 pm

The Warriors are in a position to make a big money offer to free agent using available cap space. They could then resign Monta & Buke to large contracts which would then put them well over the cap. So in theory then, if they traded a player to a team with cap space, yes they could get a TPE. But, the likelyhood of them finding a team that has both cap space and the willingness to acquire one of the Warriors seems unlikely though.

One note: Biedrins cap hold is quite large ($7.9M), if he is given a contract based on the current market, I would think it would start at a little more than the MLE. So it might make sense to sign him first.

BTW, when I worked out your first scenario, it seems that it could create a TPE for the Clipps and only a small one for the Warriors.

Using your numbers:
Warriors trade Harrington to Clipps using available cap space, TPE created for Warriors of $9M.

Prior to the 2nd trade, the Clippers sign players to vet min contracts which pushes them over the cap. Then the Clippers trade Thomas to the Warriors, but the Warriors have no cap space, they must use the previously acquired TPE.

The net result is that they swap Harrington for Thomas, the Clippers get a TPE for $7M, and the Warriors get a TPE for $2M.

Warriorfan · Post #8 » by **Warriorfan** » Thu Jul 3, 2008 7:10 pm

Warriors have cap flexibilityright now but once they sign a Brand or Smith and their restricted it enables them continue to add players this season or next.

killbuckner · Post #9 » by **killbuckner** » Thu Jul 3, 2008 9:46 pm

warriorfan... why not just Sign Brand... give raises to Biedrins, Ellis, and Azubuke to go over the cap. Then trade Stephen Jackson for either players or to a team under the cap to generate your trade exception? Is that what you are trying to do?

bgwizarfan · Post #10 » by **bgwizarfan** » Fri Jul 4, 2008 2:18 am

Warriorfan wrote:Here is a more layed out scenario.

Baron Davis gets signed by Clips GS renounces all other Free Agents except Biedrens Monta Buke
Charlotte renounces its free agents.

GS gets Elden Brand they reach 49 mil in salary.
They then trade Stephen Jackson 7mil to Charlotte who have the cap room. Trade Exemption created. 7 million.

GS then is under the cap again.
Charlotte then trades Morrison Felton May to GS Trade Exemption created.

Both teams don't have the MLE to use but I am asking if this legally creates exemptions greater then the MLE. Both teams have a tool to for a hopeful playoff push.

I looked at coon and was not sure.

What you're saying in theory could happen, but the problem arises when you say "GS then is under the cap AGAIN." GS would immediately lose the TPE created from the Jackson trade anyway.

So if GS signed Brand, and then signed Ellis and Biedrins to substantial contracts (and were more than $7 million over the cap), and then made that trade, theyd get the TPE. Sure, they don't have their MLE and get a TPE greater than the original MLE, but they gave up SJAX to get the TPE. If the Warriors were to fall below the cap again at any point during the season, they'd lose that TPE