We really couldn't do Gooden because we're too thin at that spot in terms of scoring. Plus, Hinrich > Camby and Gooden > Chucky. And, we don't need a PG--that's why we're looking to move Hinrich. Gordon and Thabo can fill in as back ups. Also, hit or miss first rounder is just too low of a pick to give up that much with no chance of getting lucky for giving up the better players. I would be willing to do Hinrich for Camby and first rounder top 3 protected but I couldn't go any more than that since its us thats taking the risk of losing value should you actually miss the playoffs. Further, its highly unlikely that you do miss the playoffs so we're looking at a mid to low first round pick with an outside chance of getting into the top 10. Really, you guys are getting a good deal here. Yes, you'll lose a draft pick but you have to take risks in this league if you're going to get better. And, like I said, you probably make the playoffs in which case it is highly unlikely you would get a player as good as Kirk. And, in two years, you won't get anything for Camby.
Its a risk for both teams but you are starting out with the better value. That puts us behind the eight ball because the draft is no gaurantee you get anything.[/quote]
Talk about a homer, With the season Hinrich had last year, he has much less value then many Bulls fans will admit, the guy could go on to show that last year was a fluke, or he could continue on his downward slide like a ton of examples that had a couple of good years in the right system, but were nothing more then overpaid journeymen for the rest of their careers. Camby meanwhile won the dpoy in 07 and had a much better season statistically this year, while showing over the last few years that he can stay healthy.
With the season Hinrich had we might be better off just keeping him until his trade value goes back up. As it is, he is undervalued because you want to judge him just on the past season. Again, if you don't want him, then play out the season with what you have. But, there is no way I give Hinrich for Camby stright up. Add a first round pick and you've got a deal.
Nuggets fans overvalue Camby alot more than they will admit. He's 35 years old. He's in decline. Its over for him. You aren't going to get anything for him in another year.
AS for contracts, Hinrich may have a decent in that it goes down every year (hopefully his production does not follow though), Camby has the best contract in the league, if he does not produce he makes 25% less, plus it expires in 2 years which is the year every team seems to want. Same with age, after the debacle that were the Bulls last year, you would think that they would understand the concept of filling a hole that you have for next year, as opposed to hoping and praying that one of your young bigs develop somewhere down the road.
Its a huge generalization and a fallacy to claim every team in the league is shooting for the FA market in 2010, therefore, they will make stupid trades to get as far below the cap as possible. No superstar FA is going to go to a team that sucks.
The Bulls did not have a hole last year in their frontline. They had Ben Wallace and Joe Smith--two quality veterans. Wallace, however, I think started showing his age as his production went way down. Furthermore, the chances of Camby's production going down are far greater than Hinrich's precisely because Camby is turning 80 next year.
As for the Chucky for Gooden part of the swap, I would rather the team use the small buyout on Atkin's deal, and spend the money on a big that understands what the word defense means.
Yes, maybe you guys can get Dwight Howard for Atkins.
Now if you ask me in a Camby for Hinrich I think the pick should be coming from Chicago especially with Camby being a center, and I think most knowledgeable fans and more importantly GMs would agree, after all look what O'neal brought back, and honestly with the way he is paid, missed games, and has had his production decline the last couple of years, does anybody really think he has more value then Camby?
No way the Bulls are trading Hinrich for Camby unless Denver sends a first round pick with Camby. We don't need him. He's old. In decline and in a year or two will be baggage. On the other hand, Kirk will still have 6 more years of quality PT. Basically, you guys can keep Camby. I won't care.
