All-Time Offensive Guards Discussion

Post #1 » by **Doctor MJ** » Tue Jun 5, 2007 6:58 am

Please read the general project page and post any related questions there.

This all-time ranking list will be 15 players long.

Post #2 » by **Doctor MJ** » Tue Jun 5, 2007 7:17 am

Some key names everyone should consider along with accolades. Please don't feel limited by this list, but do utilize unless you are already aware of this information.

Sources:

archive.sportingnews.com/nfl/100/list-complete.html
hickoksports.com
pro-football-reference.com
databasefootball.com

Guys in TSN's Top 100:

John Hannah

Rookie: 1973
TSN All-Time Ranking: 20
NFL All-Pro: 10 years
Pro Bowl: 9 years
Hall of Fame
All-1970s Decade Team
All-1980s Decade Team

Jim Parker

Rookie: 1957
TSN All-Time Ranking: 24
NFL All-Pro: 4
Pro Bowl: 8
Hall of Fame
All-1950s Decade Team

Gene Upshaw

Rookie: 1967
TSN All-Time Ranking: 62
NFL All-Pro: 3
Pro Bowl: 7
Hall of Fame
All-1970s Decade Team

Larry Little

Rookie: 1967
TSN All-Time Ranking: 79
NFL All-Pro: 6
Pro Bowl: 5
All-1970s Decade Team

Other notable Hall of Famers:

Bruce Matthews

Rookie: 1983
NFL All-Pro: 8
Pro Bowl: 14
Hall of Fame
All-1990s Decade Team

Joe Delamielleure

Rookie: 1973
NFL All-Pro: 6
Pro Bowl: 6
Hall of Fame
All-1970s Decade Team

Mike Munchak

Rookie: 1982
NFL All-Pro: 3
Pro Bowl: 9
Hall of Fame
All-1980s Decade Team

Gene Hickerson

Rookie: 1958
NFL All-Pro: 4
Pro Bowl: 6
Hall of Fame
All-1960s Decade Team

Stan Jones

Rookie: 1954
NFL All-Pro: 4
Pro Bowl: 7
Hall of Fame

Recent Players:

Randall McDaniel

Rookie: 1988
NFL All-Pro: 8
Pro Bowl: 12
All-1990s Decade Team

Larry Allen

Rookie: 1994
NFL All-Pro: 4
Pro Bowl: 11
All-1990s Decade Team

Steve Wisniewski

Rookie: 1989
NFL All-Pro: 4
Pro Bowl: 8
All-1990s Decade Team

Alan Faneca

Rookie: 1998
NFL All-Pro: 5
Pro Bowl: 6

Dick Stanfel

Rookie: 1952
NFL All-Pro: 5
Pro Bowl: 5
All-1950s Decade Team

Jerry Kramer

Rookie: 1958
NFL All-Pro: 5
Pro Bowl: 3

Russ Grimm

Rookie: 1981
NFL All-Pro: 4
Pro Bowl: 4

Post #3 » by **Basketball Jesus** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 3:02 pm

Also warranting mention:

Bob Kuechenberg - 6 Pro Bowls, 2 All-Pro Seasons (1975, 1978), anchored the Dolphins line for 14 strong seasons, annual finalist for the HoF

Guy McIntyre

Post #4 » by **Basketball Jesus** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 4:30 pm

Preliminary list:

1. John Hannah

Post #5 » by **Doctor MJ** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 3:32 am

Let's get those votes in!

Post #6 » by **Basketball Jesus** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:13 pm

Use the same list, Wiz included.

Post #7 » by **Harry Palmer** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 11:31 pm

Basketball Jesus wrote: Am I a bad person for thinking Shields is better than both Matthews and Larry Allen?

Basically.

Post #8 » by **Basketball Jesus** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:49 am

Sadly, no. No I am not.

Post #9 » by **Harry Palmer** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:01 am

Basketball Jesus wrote:Sadly, no. No I am not.

We all live in our own little dreamworld, and apparently the sky in yours has clouds that look like Will Shields.

There are worse fates, I suppose.

Post #10 » by **Basketball Jesus** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:17 am

Admit it, all you know of Larry Allen is that he played for your favorite team for one season.

Post #11 » by **Harry Palmer** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:22 am

Basketball Jesus wrote:Admit it, all you know of Larry Allen is that he played for your favorite team for one season.

Lol, I HATED him when he was a Cowpoke, but the guy was damned good, one of the best OL's I've ever seen. He was probably better than Matthews, but it's close. BM's play when they went Run N' Shoot was something to see, as far as adapting, and the guy could do everything. But Allen...he was just a stud. He didn't just do everything well, he did many things as well as anyone ever.

Shields is not on quite the same level, imo. I'd probably put McDaniel ahead of him, too. Shields is just super consistent, bit doesn't max out like those other guys.

My 'I have seen' best ever OL goes like this:

OT: Munoz and probably Roaf, though if we are talking setting up LT/RT, and can narrow it to dominant years, Erik Williams is up there.

OG: Allen and Matthews.

C: D. Stephenson.

Yeah, the more I think about it, Shields is behind McDaniel to me, too. He's the guy it occcurs to consider putting ahead of Matthews. Matthews was just so damned versatile, though.

LAKESHOW · Post #12 » by **LAKESHOW** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:50 pm

bruce matthews, with hannah close second.

Wizards2Lottery · Post #13 » by **Wizards2Lottery** » Sat Jul 5, 2008 12:48 am

RUSS GRIMM

Post #14 » by **Icness** » Tue Nov 4, 2008 1:07 am

For those that might have missed it, Gene Hickerson just died recently. Two years ago when he went into the HOF his wheelchair was pushed by 3 HOF RBs that he blocked for, one of the coolest things I've ever seen.

My very-late-to-the-party list:
1. Bruce Matthews, the best offensive lineman of my lifetime
2. Gene Upshaw
3. John Hannah
4. Will Shields
5. Gene Hickerson
6. Jim Parker
7. Bob Kuechenberg
8. Alan Faneca, still active but merits mention

Post #15 » by **studcrackers** » Tue Nov 4, 2008 2:25 am

anyone think will shields will go in 1st ballot? im pretty sure historically guards and C's have a hard time getting in but he and willie roaf were the best left side in football even when roaf decided to hang em up

roaf id say for sure he's a 1st ballot guy but shields may have a tougher time

Post #16 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Sat Nov 8, 2008 6:05 am

Roaf is so unappreciated, even in New Orleans.

Recently there was a vote about the "greatest Saints player" of all time, and Willie Roaf was 3rd behind the overratedness that is Archie Manning, and number 1 on the list was Bobby **** Hebert.

BOBBY HEBERT. Come on, the Saints don't have a huge history of great players, but we have at least 3 linebackers that should be 2, 3 and 4 behind Willie Roaf at an EASY number 1. Archie Manning wouldn't make my top 5, and Bobby **** Hebert wouldn't be in my 5 best quarterbacks, he's a **** bum, and a total douchebag.

Totally wrong thread for this rant. :-/

Post #17 » by **studcrackers** » Sat Nov 8, 2008 6:20 pm

im sorry but when did willie roaf rescue a drowning city from a hurricane? reggie bush resurrected a city in peril and turned it into a booming megaopolis, willie roaf wouldn't even be allowed to carry reggie bush's assistants jock strap on his best day

/lakeshowd

Post #18 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 10:35 pm

I'd love to have Willie about right now, Reggie would look like the savior running behind him.

NeverGoingToWin · Post #19 » by **NeverGoingToWin** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 12:31 am

Larry Allen and Jonathan Ogden should be up there.

Anklebreaker702 · Post #20 » by **Anklebreaker702** » Thu Feb 5, 2009 5:06 am

Great list but the 1 guy I didn't see listed (unless I missed it) was Anthony Munoz