Ron Artest for Al Thornton

[pillwenney]

I still don't think it makes all that much sense for the Clippers--at least not when looking at this year. Ron is a great piece for a team looking to win now, but this leaves them with pretty much no depth whatsoever, and no pieces that will allow them to add any depth.

I would love the deal though.

Wha...aaat???????


C: Kaman, Davis
PF: Brand, Powell
SF: Ron, Ross
SG: Mobley, Gordon
PG: Davis, Knight

That's 10 deep right there, they'd still have their vet minimum's to fill out the roster with and that team is UNREAL. Why would the clips NOT do this trade again???

That's 10 deep in that it's 10 players, sure. But I would have serious doubts about frontcourt depth. You don't need a great bench to contend, but you need a decent one. But if they could get a steal for the vet. min. for a Kurt Thomas, I think they'd be fine.

Or if they like Shelden, he would also be a very interesting option.

[SacKingZZZ]

No, the truth is the only way Ron goes is if Elton stays. Ron would love to play with Elton and I am sure Elton would do everything he could to get the Clippers to go after him.

[SacKingZZZ]

I still don't think it makes all that much sense for the Clippers--at least not when looking at this year. Ron is a great piece for a team looking to win now, but this leaves them with pretty much no depth whatsoever, and no pieces that will allow them to add any depth.

I would love the deal though.

I think with the Celtics winning this year the whole "depth" thing might be quieted a little. Losing Tim Thomas isn't losing all that much depth to be honest.

[pillwenney]

I still don't think it makes all that much sense for the Clippers--at least not when looking at this year. Ron is a great piece for a team looking to win now, but this leaves them with pretty much no depth whatsoever, and no pieces that will allow them to add any depth.

I would love the deal though.

I think with the Celtics winning this year the whole "depth" thing might be quieted a little. Losing Tim Thomas isn't losing all that much depth to be honest.

Sure if they had other trade pieces, or their MLE still, but they have nothing to use in this regard. TT may not be a great player, but he's one of the only viable, proven NBA players they have on their bench.

Again, if they can draw in some other guys with the vet. min. they'll be fine, but that's a pretty big "if". The Celtics would have gone nowhere without guys like Posey, Brown and House.

[KF10]

I actually like Al Thornton. I wanted him and Julian Wright but we got Hawes instead. Even though, I liked the pick at that time. But yeah, Thornton will look nice in a Kings jersey. He won me over completely when he carried his team for the win against the Kings. His clutch shots and his drive from the baseline for the reverse dunk made my jaw dropped.

[SacKingZZZ]

I still don't think it makes all that much sense for the Clippers--at least not when looking at this year. Ron is a great piece for a team looking to win now, but this leaves them with pretty much no depth whatsoever, and no pieces that will allow them to add any depth.

I would love the deal though.

I think with the Celtics winning this year the whole "depth" thing might be quieted a little. Losing Tim Thomas isn't losing all that much depth to be honest.

Sure if they had other trade pieces, or their MLE still, but they have nothing to use in this regard. TT may not be a great player, but he's one of the only viable, proven NBA players they have on their bench.

Again, if they can draw in some other guys with the vet. min. they'll be fine, but that's a pretty big "if". The Celtics would have gone nowhere without guys like Posey, Brown and House.

Who were all cheap signings. I am sure they could lure someone to join them, but the bottom line is, they are far better with Artest than they are with Thomas and Thornton IMO. He would fit in seemlessly and would be that legit 3rd option. They'd move Cat to the bench, they have Knight, and Ross is one of the better man defenders in the league. They could easily go out and convince a vet big to come in and provide depth at the 4/5.

[VeeJay24]

The deal is simple Thornton/Thomas for Artest. No need for Sheldon Williams or Dickau or anything else to be added. What would Sheldon Williams do for the Clippers anyway? Nothing! They would need a veteran big man like PJ was for Boston. Off the top of my head guys like Krstic, Harrington, Thomas or Rose (if he has anything left) would be guys that help them.

And could you imagine how inticing it would be to Brand if they did this trade while Brand is deciding? Of course they should inform him that they have the deal worked out and see if they can get an agreement from him first.

I like it.............it's a good deal for both teams. Do it Petrie, Do it Now !!!!!!!!!!

[VeeJay24]

And another thing getting Thornton could complete our future Frontcourt....

SF: Thornton
PF: Thompson
C: Hawes

Of course we have to see what we got in Thompson but most people think Thornton will be a gamer and there are good feelings about Hawes but That's not bad.........and it's not like we can't move one or let one go if they're not what we expected.

[OGSactownballer]

I guess I was getting a little over excited about this deal. It REALLY looks good! I like the look of that frontcourt for us. Hawes/Thompson(if he turns out like Petrie expects)/Thornton is a very well-balanced group and big and long in the manner of the top frontcourts in the league today. Add that to Kevin and Beno (or maybe a better option that comes along in '10 from FA) and you're looking at a contending team for a while in a few years.

[deNIEd]

Suppose this trade went down. T. Thomas, A. Thornton for R. Artest.

Also, lets suppose B. Miller got traded for pure expirings (which according to rumors, Petrie was looking to deal Miller to Orlando for nothing but pure scrubs who happened to be expirings)

Say our lineup for the year is
PG: B. Udrih/S. Singletary
SG: K. Martin/F. Garcia/Q. Douby
SF: J. Salmons/A. Thornton/P. Ewing
PF: J. Thompson/T. Thomas/S. Williams/K. Thomas
C : S. Hawes/M. Moore/S. Rahim

What is our record? What place do you guys think that we finish?

Say, Salmons and Thomas are both traded for pure expirings, leaving us that same team minus Salmons and Thomas? What is our record then? What place do we get? What raw draft standing do we get?

[BMiller52]

Suppose this trade went down. T. Thomas, A. Thornton for R. Artest.

Also, lets suppose B. Miller got traded for pure expirings (which according to rumors, Petrie was looking to deal Miller to Orlando for nothing but pure scrubs who happened to be expirings)

Say our lineup for the year is
PG: B. Udrih/S. Singletary
SG: K. Martin/F. Garcia/Q. Douby
SF: J. Salmons/A. Thornton/P. Ewing
PF: J. Thompson/T. Thomas/S. Williams/K. Thomas
C : S. Hawes/M. Moore/S. Rahim

What is our record? What place do you guys think that we finish?

Say, Salmons and Thomas are both traded for pure expirings, leaving us that same team minus Salmons and Thomas? What is our record then? What place do we get? What raw draft standing do we get?

Link to the Miller rumor?

[VeeJay24]

Suppose this trade went down. T. Thomas, A. Thornton for R. Artest.

Also, lets suppose B. Miller got traded for pure expirings (which according to rumors, Petrie was looking to deal Miller to Orlando for nothing but pure scrubs who happened to be expirings)

Say our lineup for the year is
PG: B. Udrih/S. Singletary
SG: K. Martin/F. Garcia/Q. Douby
SF: J. Salmons/A. Thornton/P. Ewing
PF: J. Thompson/T. Thomas/S. Williams/K. Thomas
C : S. Hawes/M. Moore/S. Rahim

What is our record? What place do you guys think that we finish?

Say, Salmons and Thomas are both traded for pure expirings, leaving us that same team minus Salmons and Thomas? What is our record then? What place do we get? What raw draft standing do we get?

Ok, I don't see why you would trade Thomas he is expiring unless he wanted to be bought out so he could catch on with a contender.

But, I think obviously this wouldn't be a very good team record wise but we all know that. So my guess would 20-25 wins if they could get to 30 that would be great.

But the upside to that would be a high lottery pick hopefully so that they could get a PG and some cap room to bring in a FA or 2.

[deNIEd]

BMiller, I dunno link, well this entire board believed it to be true with all the inside sources...don't you remember? I'm pretty sure you were posting in the threads. Maybe someone else can add more info?
Something like Miller, Garcia for Dooling, Arroyo, and someone I think.


VeeJay - Thomas has 2 years doesn't he? Expires in 2010? Since I doubt he is part of any long term plans, or even if we play him at all, we would ultimately save like 6 million by trading him for expirings to a contender.

But I agree with you, and this is what I call rebuilding via the draft. That team will be around 20-30 wins. Likely getting a top 7 pick, and in next year's draft, a top 7 should be able to net a very good PG.

However, that team has a huge upside. Thompson would be entering 2nd year, Hawes and Thornton entering 3rd year. With likely another good lotto pick, and a team with 20 million dollars in expirings. A very very very good situation to be in. 5 lotto picks, a borderline allstar (Martin), a 6th man of the year talent (Garcia), and a max free agent.

[Ballings7]

deNied is right... there were a couple deals being discussed back around the deadline. Can go check back around that time in previous pages on here or the Magic board. Or the wiretap archives for Feb. 2008.

[ICMTM]

A couple things:

I keep reading Tim Thomas is expiring when he isn't after this season (confirming Denied's comment). The Clips don't have very many people on their roster, so I think any trade they make they will need to take back more players so adding Sheldon Williams might be something we will need to entertain.

[artest4gov8]

how bout ron artest/thomas/sheldon

for s&t maggette/thornton

[OGSactownballer]

No, it ties up too much money so that we get screwed out of our 2010 cap space. also, I don't really like Maggette - decent player, but very selfish and a "legend in his own mind" type. Doesn't really fit with Reggie's concept of how he wants the team to play.

[VeeJay24]

A couple things:

I keep reading Tim Thomas is expiring when he isn't after this season (confirming Denied's comment). The Clips don't have very many people on their roster, so I think any trade they make they will need to take back more players so adding Sheldon Williams might be something we will need to entertain.

I was wrong Thomas does have 2 left but he could still be moved along. I see what you guys are saying but the core of their team would be intact which would be

Kaman
Brand
Artest
Mobley
Davis

reserves
Gordon
Knight
Powell are under contract
I think they would certainly be able to fill out the rest of their offer with some valuable vets who would help off the bench. They would need to do that so I don't see them asking for Williams who wouldn't fit into that mode.

[VeeJay24]

BMiller, I dunno link, well this entire board believed it to be true with all the inside sources...don't you remember? I'm pretty sure you were posting in the threads. Maybe someone else can add more info?
Something like Miller, Garcia for Dooling, Arroyo, and someone I think.


VeeJay - Thomas has 2 years doesn't he? Expires in 2010? Since I doubt he is part of any long term plans, or even if we play him at all, we would ultimately save like 6 million by trading him for expirings to a contender.

But I agree with you, and this is what I call rebuilding via the draft. That team will be around 20-30 wins. Likely getting a top 7 pick, and in next year's draft, a top 7 should be able to net a very good PG.

However, that team has a huge upside. Thompson would be entering 2nd year, Hawes and Thornton entering 3rd year. With likely another good lotto pick, and a team with 20 million dollars in expirings. A very very very good situation to be in. 5 lotto picks, a borderline allstar (Martin), a 6th man of the year talent (Garcia), and a max free agent.

Say it again!!!!! This would instantly move us up as far as young and upcoming teams are concerned.
The frontline would be full of potential. It would really set us up for the future nicely.

One more thing about the Clippers, would they pass up a chance to challenge in the West just to get Shelfon Williams? I don't know about that...........

[King Baller]

BMiller, I dunno link, well this entire board believed it to be true with all the inside sources...don't you remember? I'm pretty sure you were posting in the threads. Maybe someone else can add more info?
Something like Miller, Garcia for Dooling, Arroyo, and someone I think.


VeeJay - Thomas has 2 years doesn't he? Expires in 2010? Since I doubt he is part of any long term plans, or even if we play him at all, we would ultimately save like 6 million by trading him for expirings to a contender.

But I agree with you, and this is what I call rebuilding via the draft. That team will be around 20-30 wins. Likely getting a top 7 pick, and in next year's draft, a top 7 should be able to net a very good PG.

However, that team has a huge upside. Thompson would be entering 2nd year, Hawes and Thornton entering 3rd year. With likely another good lotto pick, and a team with 20 million dollars in expirings. A very very very good situation to be in. 5 lotto picks, a borderline allstar (Martin), a 6th man of the year talent (Garcia), and a max free agent.

J Will was a top 7 draft pick if I recall.

KB