Spurs *were* the Front-runners for Maggette

bmw42690 · Post #81 » by **bmw42690** » Sun Jul 6, 2008 4:47 am

If Orlando was to get Maggette, i dont think drafting lee was a good idea. Add in Bogans and Redick and there isnt alot of room for Lee. Im not saying Maggette wouldnt help, but there isnt much playing time for Lee to get and develop. And looking at Orlando's rotation, they have 2 actual post players. They had Adonal Foyle last year and in the games that i watched, there was a severe dropoff of production in the post. Howard cant play 40 minutes for 82+ games because he'll have nothing left in the playoffs. I would think getting someone to help Howard out would almost be as big of a necessity as luring Maggette. And while the fact of teams needing 5 or 6 guys to foul Howard may be true, what happens when Howard gets in foul trouble?

Ballings7 · Post #82 » by **Ballings7** » Sun Jul 6, 2008 6:05 am

That's partly why they need another significant minute big man, and to start. Battie/unproven, questionable-how-effective Gortat isn't enough to help Dwight.

magicianman · Post #83 » by **magicianman** » Sun Jul 6, 2008 9:22 pm

gortat played very well in limited minutes. he has 'breakout' potential next season. i really see the magic waiting until the trading deadline to get another pf...mainly because they dont want to part with turk.

like i mentioned before, the magic would love to get another pf. battie is no star, but serviceable. its not their 'weak' spot. the sg spot is...and with a 6'10" sf already, maggs would be playing sg for us even though many here consider him a sf.

Lee was a questionable pick regardless, however, SVG doesnt really play rooks anyway...bogans and jj arent in any long term plans for the magic, a spot will open up for lee when he is ready.

bmw, howard played 40+mpg all season, and did just fine in the playoffs, despite playing with a fractured sternum. just like with shaq, you only need 1 solid post player to spell him. and that issue will be resolved with time...its just not the chink in the armor many here believe it is. howard doesnt get in foul trouble often...less than duncan.

ss1986, your salary cap approximations are pretty accurate, more so for SA than orl, but SA actually has fewer rostered players than orl does. and orl owns bird rights as well. so youre argument goes both ways. and, orlando ownership has gone public about being willing to pay the tax to build a winner( new arena 2010, DWIGHT, rashard contract...) also, i respect that you would rather have duncan, parker, ginobili than dwight, turk, shard...but i wouldnt. the stats favor the magic big 3 in points, rebs, blocks. as opposed to assists, stls for your guys. i will give you popp the +1 for coaches, only because he has 4 rings in 9 years. svg is no slouch though, and has done more with less assets(imo-ECF with just Dwade) than popp has...

bmw42690 · Post #84 » by **bmw42690** » Sun Jul 6, 2008 10:22 pm

magicianman wrote:howard played 40+mpg all season, and did just fine in the playoffs, despite playing with a fractured sternum. just like with shaq, you only need 1 solid post player to spell him. and that issue will be resolved with time...its just not the chink in the armor many here believe it is. howard doesnt get in foul trouble often...less than duncan.

With Howard in the Olympics this year he is going to need rest at some point. Him being young will help with that but the physical toll of the olympics and the season are going to wear on at some point i would think. I do realize he is a beast but still i think it would be tough on him. Who exactly would be the target if they trade turk?

GregB · Post #85 » by **GregB** » Sun Jul 6, 2008 10:29 pm

Ballings7 wrote:I still like the options in FA after Maggette and JR Smith, a level down, but it just would be ideal with the best options.

Ballings7 wrote:They'll lose Posey then... to the Lakers or Hornets or Pistons. I'd keep Posey over getting Maggette. Not just because I want us to get Maggette, but because it's the better overall fit.

Just to add to that

With Posey they get continuity, better defense, better 3PT shooting, smarts and experience.

I think its all about money and value for the Cs. They seem to buy into the whole moneyball concept. Its seems Posey is trying to get a Full MLE for 4-5 years. At this point the Cs have only offered the 20 percent raise for 2-3 years. I dont expect them to cave to his demands.

Maggette on the other hands solves two of our biggest problems last year. Bench scoring and scoring in the paint. He is younger and has much better value than Posey. Maggette could be an eventual replacement for Ray Allen. Plus, I think he will fit into our team defense . Ray Allen was also considered a weak defender. He had a good year defensively last year. Pierce was also excellent on defense last year. I will miss Poseys big 3pters if he signs elsewhere though. But I think signing Maggette makes more sense for Boston.

I think when the dust clears in Golden State. They will make a run at him and If he wants money. He will sign with them.

coyotes_geek · Post #86 » by **coyotes_geek** » Sun Jul 6, 2008 10:57 pm

GregB wrote:I think when the dust clears in Golden State. They will make a run at him and If he wants money. He will sign with them.

Certainly agree that the odds favor Maggette ending up with whoever is willing/able to beat an MLE offer. I just don't get why the Warriors would be interested though. That's already a team full of shot-chucking perimeter guys. They need help up front and at PG, because Monta Ellis sure isn't one. Certainly won't be surprised if the W's do throw big money CM's way, but IMO they can spend their money better elsewhere.

magicianman · Post #87 » by **magicianman** » Mon Jul 7, 2008 3:03 am

bmw42690 wrote:
magicianman wrote:howard played 40+mpg all season, and did just fine in the playoffs, despite playing with a fractured sternum. just like with shaq, you only need 1 solid post player to spell him. and that issue will be resolved with time...its just not the chink in the armor many here believe it is. howard doesnt get in foul trouble often...less than duncan.

With Howard in the Olympics this year he is going to need rest at some point. Him being young will help with that but the physical toll of the olympics and the season are going to wear on at some point i would think. I do realize he is a beast but still i think it would be tough on him. Who exactly would be the target if they trade turk?

its all speculation at this point...but the most popular name out there is haslem, who reportedly was nearly traded to orl at the trade deadline last season. that would be an ideal fit for the magic. the other two names that came up in rumors were chris wilcox and nick collison. however, neither are more sexy sounding than haslem.

dwight played in the world qualifiers last summer, and did just fine improving his seasonal stats greatly compared to the previous season. yes, he wont be young forever, but for the time being, he is just 22, and already the best at his position in the whole league, if not the world.

spinedoc · Post #88 » by **spinedoc** » Mon Jul 7, 2008 3:21 am

magicianman wrote:
its all speculation at this point...but the most popular name out there is haslem, who reportedly was nearly traded to orl at the trade deadline last season. that would be an ideal fit for the magic. the other two names that came up in rumors were chris wilcox and nick collison. however, neither are more sexy sounding than haslem.

dwight played in the world qualifiers last summer, and did just fine improving his seasonal stats greatly compared to the previous season. yes, he wont be young forever, but for the time being, he is just 22, and already the best at his position in the whole league, if not the world.

Haslem is a popular name, but not in a Hedo trade. Riley is a pain to deal with though, and doubtful that we do any more horse trading with him. The guy tries to rip you off too much. Look at what he was asking for from Minny when he wanted Mayo, he's a jackass. David Lee would be a good option, Portland has a glut of big men. Aldridge would be nice, but would probably settle for Frye and filler. Harrington was rumored to want out of GS. I'd love a Brad Miller and Cisco Garcia package. Odom might fit the bill, pretty under-rated player, maybe even Wilcox. There are a lot of different options out there actually.

bmw42690 · Post #89 » by **bmw42690** » Mon Jul 7, 2008 3:37 am

yeah i kinda think they could get more than haslem for hedo. the kings and blazers to me look like realistic destinations. I think they could get a pretty good trade with one of those two.

Blame Rasho · Post #90 » by **Blame Rasho** » Mon Jul 7, 2008 4:05 am

bmw42690 wrote:yeah i kinda think they could get more than haslem for hedo. the kings and blazers to me look like realistic destinations. I think they could get a pretty good trade with one of those two.

I think the Blazers would be the ideal place for Hedo. They can send Frye,picks, and hell cash for him and he could fill in their weakness at the 3 position

lukeridenour · Post #91 » by **lukeridenour** » Mon Jul 7, 2008 7:30 am

hedo would also be a nice fit for the lakers..

Ballings7 · Post #92 » by **Ballings7** » Mon Jul 7, 2008 7:37 am

I don't quite think so, because they need a guy who's a pretty legit defender... Hedo's not bad, but he's no top wing-defender for you.

the southern dandy · Post #93 » by **the southern dandy** » Mon Jul 7, 2008 8:37 am

I'm a bit late on my thoughts about Maggette, but here goes.

Although he wouldn't be a flawless addition to the team, I feel like he'd put us over the top once again. Offensively at least he'd turn the big three into the big four. Also his slashing would be a good compliment to the standstill shooting of our role players.
I personally have doubts about his bball iq and his ability to fit in defensively, with that said though, Pop is no fool and would overlook these deficiencies to some degree.

I'm not holding my breath on the Maggette signing. No big FA's come here anyway.

lukeridenour · Post #94 » by **lukeridenour** » Mon Jul 7, 2008 9:08 am

Ballings7 wrote:I don't quite think so, because they need a guy who's a pretty legit defender... Hedo's not bad, but he's no top wing-defender for you.

they also need shooters and ball handers beyond kobe.

bmw42690 · Post #95 » by **bmw42690** » Mon Jul 7, 2008 3:47 pm

Hedo is more suited to play the 3 than Odom is so i think it would be a great fit for them. I think he would be a great compliment to kobe as well. I'm just hoping it doesnt happen.

magicianman · Post #96 » by **magicianman** » Mon Jul 7, 2008 4:02 pm

i personally think haslem is better than odom. odom is a sf anyway. the magic need a legit pf. frye would be alright i guess...although i think haslem, wilcox, collison are all better players. if we could nab haslem without giving up turk, then great...but i wouldnt hold my breath.

magicianman · Post #97 » by **magicianman** » Mon Jul 7, 2008 4:03 pm

well, marc stein says again SA is the front runner for maggs with the MLE. not that marc stein is the greatest source(bc he isnt) but where theres smoke...

HarlemHeat37 · Post #98 » by **HarlemHeat37** » Mon Jul 7, 2008 4:08 pm

again, I won't believe anything until I see it..

the worst part is that we're dealing with an incompetent franchise in Golden State, so there's a realistic chance that they'll actually overpay Maggette..hopefully they smarten up and save their cap space though..

P2 · Post #99 » by P2 » Mon Jul 7, 2008 5:21 pm

magicianman wrote:well, marc stein says again SA is the front runner for maggs with the MLE. not that marc stein is the greatest source(bc he isnt) but where theres smoke...

What are his opinions based on? I mean, Maggette actually said in the Boston Globe that he is seriously considering the offer, and Doc, whose family is very close to his, called him. So that should favor Boston, and that's where he eventually will wind up.

magicianman · Post #100 » by **magicianman** » Mon Jul 7, 2008 5:48 pm

P2 wrote:
magicianman wrote:well, marc stein says again SA is the front runner for maggs with the MLE. not that marc stein is the greatest source(bc he isnt) but where theres smoke...

What are his opinions based on? I mean, Maggette actually said in the Boston Globe that he is seriously considering the offer, and Doc, whose family is very close to his, called him. So that should favor Boston, and that's where he eventually will wind up.

i dont know what stein's opinions are based on...i dont really believe stein, ever, but there is too much talk about SA and maggs...something has to be brewing.

i seriously think his comments in the boston globe were just posturing so he could get a larger offer elsewhere...why would he want to play for boston? just bc you won the championship this year? there are more reasons why he wouldnt want to play there than why he would want to. he has been saying for the last 3 years that he would like to come back to orlando to play...yet that hasnt been making the national media...i really think if it comes down to the MLE its either SA or ORL. sorry bawstoners. you guys should just lock up posey and enjoy your run...you guys are even older than the spurs

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