Why do you hate Yi?

[cap_111]

Funny how many fans from the Milwaukee board are now on the Nets board. I wonder if they might be biased towards liking Yi based on something other than just his bball skills.....

St. Nick, funny how you mentioned that. Correct me if I'm wrong. You belong to the Warriors' board, you started several threads last year on the warriors' board to declare that Yi is a bust, then you came to the bucks board, and posted on almost every threads that's about Yi with repetitive materials that's pretty much like the ones you posted here, and oh look, who just showed up on the nets board?! I wonder if you might be biased toward hating Yi based on something other than just his bball skills.

First of all, I'm not trying to argue with you whether Yi is a bust or not. Just wanna make that clear.

I don't think most of the people have a problem with what you think of Yi, but with your extreme ways of getting your point across. Your posts are often filled with personal attacks, or things that you label as "truth", when they are in fact not. Until the day that Yi is officially out of the NBA, you cannot state "Yi is a bust" as truth, it's as simple as that. You can predict, but you cannot say you want people to see the "truth".

Every year in the draft, there are players that generate a lot of hype. Yi is not the first one, and will not be the last. How about Durant? Some people have labeled him the next Jordan. How about Oden? There are threads on this board discussing the possibilities of him being rookie of the year and mvp in the same year. How about Bargnani? Beasley? Rose? Mayo? I mean, how is that different from the hype when people say Yi will be the next Dirk? How come we don't see you go to sonics board or blazer's board and posting things like this? Or start your threads on warriors board and tell people "the truth" about them? Are you telling me that for the entire time that you've watched the nba (however long that might be), either

1. Yi is the only person that you think is overhyped or is a bust
2. for every person that you think is overhyped, you've gone out of your way to start your thread on warriors board, and then go to that player's team's board and post similar thing with the same persistence

If the second one is true, please kindly provide us with the links to the post, as I'm sure many of us would like to see that for ourselves. Otherwise, my only guess is that ...

if Yi raped your mom and wife/girlfriend or something bro.

hey, at least I'm not the only one who felt that way. sorry.

[Joseph17]

Yi is a great player with a lot of potential. I was watching him today against Australia and he looked great. He's a lot more athletic than I thought he was.

[Tyler_Durden76]

I think most people hate Yi because:

1. He is asian and a foreigner.
2. He is Chinese from China, a vilified nation according to US media

Because of the above that is why his age is being questioned. For all I see in face value, Yi looks a lot younger than Greg Oden or all the US kids in this year's draft.
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Honestly I think Yi has potential. Despite his flaws I believe like I stated previously, if drafted to the right team he will excel. Milwaukee was a terrible situation, their locker room was a mess and the team's game does not orient to Yi's skills. Despite all these he has proven he will do all it takes to learn, he did show defensive fundamentals that surprised me, plus I like his hustling attitude.

Yi still has a long way to go, even though most US sports writers are already writing him off. I recall they did the same thing to Dirk after year one as well. I think in NJ he is in a lot better situation. I really hope he improves this year. He does have the work ethic to go with it.

[St.Nick]

Excuses, excuses...the dude is overhyped an bogus.

PS> I love Yao. The guy is the best center in the league. So don't call me a racist, just listen to the logic.

[Duncanfan]

i actually agree with st. nick.. all Yi has going for him is the 20ft jumper. Has zero handles, can't post up, can't dunk with one hand, most of time even his dunks get blocked, has weak hands, no upper body strength, no other shots besides a weak ass 20 ft jumper.

Incase you guys don't know, he didn't even work with the milwaukee coaches while he played for the Bucks. He worked exclusively with his own coach who came as a package deal as part of the Yi signing. That should tell you something about Yi and the problems his handlers create. Sure Yi can run the floor and has a beautiful looking jump shot, but last time I checked, a jumper alone doesn't make a good PF.

[Sigra]

i actually agree with st. nick.. all Yi has going for him is the 20ft jumper. Has zero handles, can't post up, can't dunk with one hand, most of time even his dunks get blocked, has weak hands, no upper body strength, no other shots besides a weak ass 20 ft jumper.

Incase you guys don't know, he didn't even work with the milwaukee coaches while he played for the Bucks. He worked exclusively with his own coach who came as a package deal as part of the Yi signing. That should tell you something about Yi and the problems his handlers create. Sure Yi can run the floor and has a beautiful looking jump shot, but last time I checked, a jumper alone doesn't make a good PF.

Yi could become next Rasheed Wallace. At offense his main weapon should be his jumper that can be used in pick and pop situations and for streaching defenses. Also he could develop great turnaround jumper in paint area. At defense he has great instincts and with more expirience he could become great defender. He is never going to be superstar but next Rasheed is not out of question.

[Tang_Man]

Excuses, excuses...the dude is overhyped an bogus.

PS> I love Yao. The guy is the best center in the league. So don't call me a racist, just listen to the logic.

And logic would that be??? Since you think Yao is the best center in the league, you would then know that it took him 4 years to get to that level. Yao show flashes of brilliance during his rookie season but there were times where he was just dreadful as well. I guess people have forgotten about Charles Barkley's comments about Yao during the start of his rookie season. At least Barkley was a league MVP, All NBA first teamer and one of the members of the original dream team. What's your credentials that makes you think everyone should take your opinion so highly.

[St.Nick]

The difference between Yi and Rasheed Wallace is intensity, toughness, and the fact that Rasheed knows how to utilize his skills while Yi has no ability to enforce his will on his opponents throughout the game.

Remember that by the time Rasheed was 23 years old he was putting up 15/6/53% fg on a playoff team. What was Yi's impact?

[Tang_Man]

i actually agree with st. nick.. all Yi has going for him is the 20ft jumper. Has zero handles, can't post up, can't dunk with one hand, most of time even his dunks get blocked, has weak hands, no upper body strength, no other shots besides a weak ass 20 ft jumper.

Incase you guys don't know, he didn't even work with the milwaukee coaches while he played for the Bucks. He worked exclusively with his own coach who came as a package deal as part of the Yi signing. That should tell you something about Yi and the problems his handlers create. Sure Yi can run the floor and has a beautiful looking jump shot, but last time I checked, a jumper alone doesn't make a good PF.

So you're assuming that Yi is never going to get stronger. His game is not going to improve. What you saw during his rookie year is what he'll be right? Players can't improve during the off season. Well I have news for you, even the greatest players like Michael Jordan improve their game for season to season. Yi is far from being the finish article. He plays in the post a lot in international ball, so the skills are there. The Bucks coaching staff had Yi as pick and pop player in their system going back to summer league last season. I am not saying they were wrong to play Yi that way but that was the role the coaching staff had him played. However for Yi to play in the post he does need to put in the hardwork in the gym to get stronger. Going to a team who may give him more opportunities down low probably won't hurt either. It maybe painful to watch for a while but once he gets used to posting up in the NBA, he'll be fine. As a comparison, it took Van Gundy to force feed Yao in the post for a couple of season before he become a dominant post player. At the end of the day what player Yi become will be entirely up to him. It comes down to how determine he is to become an elite player and how hard is he willing to work to get there.

[St.Nick]

Yi's best season will still not be as good as Yao's worst season. Reason being, Yao is a 7'6, 310lb man that always played like a big man and had the strength/skills/size to make it work. Yi plays like Skita but with the occasional highlight dunk, He is unconfident, unsure, unable to gain an advantage on PF's due to his lack of ball handling and unable to take advantage of SF's due to his lack of strength.

Could he improve? Of course. Could Patrick O'Bryant turn into Robert Parish? Sure, anything is possible. Have either of these guys shown that they will meet the expectations put on them when drafted? Hell no.

BTW: Whats up with dropping Yao into every point you make? That seems a bit out of context considering that one is a Center and the other a SF/PF tweener.

[Tang_Man]

Yi's best season will still not be as good as Yao's worst season. Reason being, Yao is a 7'6, 310lb man that always played like a big man and had the strength/skills/size to make it work. Yi plays like Skita but with the occasional highlight dunk, He is unconfident, unsure, unable to gain an advantage on PF's due to his lack of ball handling and unable to take advantage of SF's due to his lack of strength.

Could he improve? Of course. Could Patrick O'Bryant turn into Robert Parish? Sure, anything is possible. Have either of these guys shown that they will meet the expectations put on them when drafted? Hell no.

BTW: Whats up with dropping Yao into every point you make? That seems a bit out of context considering that one is a Center and the other a SF/PF tweener.

So when did you start watching basketball? Yao in his rookie year was a twig and weigh around 285 lbs at most. He took 2-3 years in the weights room to get up to 310. He was also more of a face up player rather than a back to the basket player. My point of bringing up Yao is that it takes foreign player, especially bigger guys time to adapt to the physical play in the NBA.

As for your comparison with Pat O'Bryant, the guy's career high is 10 points and 5 boards. So he is obviously more of a project than Yi at this stage. That's not to say he won't develop into a solid player down the road.

[6_Rings]

hey I know this St. Nick guy. first class troll. self-proclaimed Yi expert based on a couple of nationally televised games last season. ignore him.

[XuDa]

It's so dumb to see people STILL bashing Yi by calling him skinny. The guy weighs around 255lbs at 7'0 RIGHT NOW, and he has an excellent build for adding weight.

Look at what Yao has done to his physique since his rookie season, and consider that Yi has broader shoulders and a much more athletic body type. He'll have more than enough size to play both the C and PF positions and the future.

[wireonfire]

Yi's best season will still not be as good as Yao's worst season. Reason being, Yao is a 7'6, 310lb man that always played like a big man and had the strength/skills/size to make it work. Yi plays like Skita but with the occasional highlight dunk, He is unconfident, unsure, unable to gain an advantage on PF's due to his lack of ball handling and unable to take advantage of SF's due to his lack of strength.

Could he improve? Of course. Could Patrick O'Bryant turn into Robert Parish? Sure, anything is possible. Have either of these guys shown that they will meet the expectations put on them when drafted? Hell no.

BTW: Whats up with dropping Yao into every point you make? That seems a bit out of context considering that one is a Center and the other a SF/PF tweener.

So when did you start watching basketball? Yao in his rookie year was a twig and weigh around 285 lbs at most. He took 2-3 years in the weights room to get up to 310. He was also more of a face up player rather than a back to the basket player. My point of bringing up Yao is that it takes foreign player, especially bigger guys time to adapt to the physical play in the NBA.

As for your comparison with Pat O'Bryant, the guy's career high is 10 points and 5 boards. So he is obviously more of a project than Yi at this stage. That's not to say he won't develop into a solid player down the road.

FYI, Yao came in the league at 295.

[Tang_Man]

FYI, Yao came in the league at 295.

My bad, yes he did. http://www.nba.com/draft2002/profiles/yao_ming.html. However it still took Yao 2-3 years to build up his strength to reach an elite level of post play in the NBA.

[St.Nick]

It's so dumb to see people STILL bashing Yi by calling him skinny. The guy weighs around 255lbs at 7'0 RIGHT NOW, and he has an excellent build for adding weight.

Look at what Yao has done to his physique since his rookie season, and consider that Yi has broader shoulders and a much more athletic body type. He'll have more than enough size to play both the C and PF positions and the future.

You are absolutely right in saying that Yi is heavy enough to be able to body up most PF's. Problem is, he has no strength and no post game. So really, he has no excuse to not be able to be a successful PF except for the fact that he is too weak and timid to play anywhere but on the perimeter in the NBA.

[St.Nick]

Yi's best season will still not be as good as Yao's worst season. Reason being, Yao is a 7'6, 310lb man that always played like a big man and had the strength/skills/size to make it work. Yi plays like Skita but with the occasional highlight dunk, He is unconfident, unsure, unable to gain an advantage on PF's due to his lack of ball handling and unable to take advantage of SF's due to his lack of strength.

Could he improve? Of course. Could Patrick O'Bryant turn into Robert Parish? Sure, anything is possible. Have either of these guys shown that they will meet the expectations put on them when drafted? Hell no.

BTW: Whats up with dropping Yao into every point you make? That seems a bit out of context considering that one is a Center and the other a SF/PF tweener.

So when did you start watching basketball? Yao in his rookie year was a twig and weigh around 285 lbs at most. He took 2-3 years in the weights room to get up to 310. He was also more of a face up player rather than a back to the basket player. My point of bringing up Yao is that it takes foreign player, especially bigger guys time to adapt to the physical play in the NBA.

As for your comparison with Pat O'Bryant, the guy's career high is 10 points and 5 boards. So he is obviously more of a project than Yi at this stage. That's not to say he won't develop into a solid player down the road.

I agree that foreign guys and big men need time to develop. But does that mean that we can pick any foreign big guy and make the statement that he will become a good player down the road, just because he is big and foreign? Of course not. The guy has to show that he has the skills to become a good player first, then you give him the proper time to adjust.

Yi, as I mentioned before but no one commented on, got WORSE throughout the season. He eventually became a guy that had no role in the offense because he was actually a negative when he had the ball in his hands. Fortunately for him he had the 25mpg guarantee, otherwise he wouldn't have been able to collect those garbage time stats that he did.

Honestly people, just watch the guy. He can't play! Its really simple. I don't hate him, I just don't understand how people love this guy so much when he wasn't a very good NBA player last year and showed very little in the way of making people believe that he will become a very good NBA player in the future. It's an irrational love.

[okanoho]

you chicken pussy
change your sig picture so i cannot went to bash that guy in every forum

[St.Nick]

You would probably look strange trying to bash a chef on a basketball forum.

[XuDa]

It's so dumb to see people STILL bashing Yi by calling him skinny. The guy weighs around 255lbs at 7'0 RIGHT NOW, and he has an excellent build for adding weight.

Look at what Yao has done to his physique since his rookie season, and consider that Yi has broader shoulders and a much more athletic body type. He'll have more than enough size to play both the C and PF positions and the future.

You are absolutely right in saying that Yi is heavy enough to be able to body up most PF's. Problem is, he has no strength and no post game. So really, he has no excuse to not be able to be a successful PF except for the fact that he is too weak and timid to play anywhere but on the perimeter in the NBA.

Yi actually does have strength. He has weak hands and poor fundamentals when it comes to boxing out and gaining position, but he's not weak by any stretch. And he's getting stronger, which is obvious if you've watched him the CNT's recent training games. Obviously you haven't.

And Yi is hardly "timid". Tim Duncan and Dirk Nowitzki have both commented on his physicality on the court. I think they are more qualified to judge his game then you are.