Is Steve Nash the most overrated player of all time?

Straightwitdaroc · Post #1 » by **Straightwitdaroc** » Mon Jul 7, 2008 10:44 pm

Ok, yes, I am hating on steve nash. The guy is good, but he isn't two time MVP good.

Has this guy ever been to the finals even? Everyone hates on Dirk...but he's lead his team to the finals. Everyone hates on Kobe's MVP, but he lead his team to the finals. Nash, barely anyone ever criticizes.

He's a loser, plain and simple. Just cause he's been two rounds deeper than T-Mac all of a sudden makes him better? Comon' now.

Dude had Dirk. Could not get to the finals.

Dude had Stat. Could not get to the finals.

This is how good his team was:

he had two of the top 10 defenders in the league with Marion, Bell.
He had the best young center in the league in AS.
He had the sixth man of the year and the most productive bench player sans ginobli in Barbosa.

STILL couldn't get to the finals.

2x MVP
Unanimous All NBA 1st team.

Come on. Just admit. The media fed us a bunch of **** for two years about Nash.

Cevap · Post #2 » by **Cevap** » Mon Jul 7, 2008 11:19 pm

I've just spend 45 minutes on Google and no nash has never been to the finals....thanks for uncovering it...

Cruel_Ruin · Post #3 » by **Cruel_Ruin** » Mon Jul 7, 2008 11:19 pm

I never understood the whole "He's never been to the finalzzzz!1!1!!" argument against Nash. So, what you're saying is that Nash is the most overrated player of all time, but if he goes one round deeper than he already has, then all of his accolades are justified? :-?

NetsForce · Post #4 » by **NetsForce** » Mon Jul 7, 2008 11:20 pm

I can think of one player who has become more overrated than Nash... Oh yeah... I bet you guys can't guess who I'm thinking of...

Cruel_Ruin · Post #5 » by **Cruel_Ruin** » Mon Jul 7, 2008 11:25 pm

NetsForce wrote:I can think of one player who has become more overrated than Nash... Oh yeah... I bet you guys can't guess who I'm thinking of...

I bet it's Kobe :lol:

Colombiano972 · Post #6 » by **Colombiano972** » Mon Jul 7, 2008 11:29 pm

^^^^ Naw. Knowing this dude's post history I think its Paul Pierce. :lol:

Fencer reregistered · Post #7 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 12:15 am

He won his MVP the same year Dallas got better after he left.

So yeah, he's overrated.

But I think Starbury at his peak was even worse.

Post #8 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 12:45 am

I dunno, he's pretty damn good, not two time MVP good, but that's just how it went.

Marion and Bell aren't top 10 defenders though, they are both insanely overrated.

WesWesley · Post #9 » by **WesWesley** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 1:22 am

Why are you questioning Nash?

He does shoot over 50/40/90, is a very gifted passer, and has led his team to a league most wins.

You make him sound likes he's Beno Udrih.

HarlemHeat37 · Post #10 » by **HarlemHeat37** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 2:38 am

not overrated at all IMO..

everybody knows Nash's flaws..if it was up to me, I would have given him 1 MVP..the fact that he has 2 is obviously the reason that some people think he's overrated, but I don't buy it..everybody knows about his defensive liabilities, and they will continue to get worse with age..but Nash has done everything he could for his team..he changed the franchise, he ran one of the best offenses of all-time, he's a great leader, he has made clutch shot after clutch shot..he's always a highly efficient shooter from everywhere on the court..he surely makes his teammates better..

what is overrated about him? look at the years he didn't win..the 1st one, he lost to the NBA champs..the Spurs were definitely the best team in the NBA in 2005(with the Pistons being a close 2nd), so there's no shame in losing to the best..2006? he didn't even have Stoudemire, but he took a team to the conference finals..that speaks volumes on how good of a player Steve Nash is..the next year? loses to the NBA champions AGAIN, partly due to a mistake by HIS TEAMMATES Amare and Diaw..not his fault in any way..

that was his 3-year peak, and he lost to the champs in 2 of them, and missed his biggest weapon in one of them..

what's Nash supposed to do?..

I could think of guys that are more overrated RIGHT NOW, even a guy in the top 3 today..let alone all-time..

Bank Shot · Post #11 » by **Bank Shot** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 3:09 am

^^^ Bingo

Nash really only had a finals caliber team once and that was 06/07 and they gave a team that just steamrolled the rest of the league all that they could handle despite having an extremely tough and controversial call go against them. The Spurs only lost a combined 2 games in the other 3 rounds. Its hard to fault Nash for not being able to take down a dynasty. 04/05 they were thin as hell and the Johnson injury didn't help. They had the top record but no one expected them to beat the Spurs. There's really no way to fault Nash for 05/06, that team was crap. I'm still amazed that their offense was so good that year. Marion can't create to save his life and look at Diaw now. The Suns had no business being as good as they were. I don't think you can call a player overrated just because he couldn't pull some big time upsets. Its not as if the Suns ever underachieved. They were never the top favorite going into the playoffs and they overacheived one year (05/06). You can argue that the MVPs make him overrated but he has at least just as good a case for those MVPs as any other player and even has a solid argument for a 3rd in 06/07.

HarlemHeat37 · Post #12 » by **HarlemHeat37** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 3:15 am

the argument is usually about Nash's system..that's bull too though, because think of how many players have benefited from having a great system..that system brought out Nash's best attributes, but there wasn't another guy in the NBA that could have ran it like Steve did IMO..

ronnymac2 · Post #13 » by **ronnymac2** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 4:45 am

Harlemheat answered this thread very well. Nash isn't overrated. He might not have deserved 1 of his mvp's, but he did the other one. And everyone knows his weaknesses. They are clearly outweighed by his stengths though.

Pai Gow · Post #14 » by **Pai Gow** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 11:31 am

The only time he gets overrated is when people compare him to the all-time greats (ie Stockton, Isiah, Payton) He really really isn't on their levels career wise, in fact, not even close.

Malinhion · Post #15 » by **Malinhion** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 1:18 pm

I was rallying hard against Nash's fraudulent MVPs while he was in the midst of winning them. It's a travesty for such a poor defensive player to be considered the best in the NBA over the course of a season. And it's just sad that the media knew how bad they screwed up, but still pushed for the second MVP to validate the first, even though the reasons behind it were atrocious. Even Charles Barkley said Nash was getting so much hype because the media in Phoenix is outlandishly "crazy." There were players who were significantly better than Steve both seasons.

Now everyone who watches the NBA knows that Paul and Deron are better, despite the fact that Nash hasn't really fallen off. His teams will always be regular season juggernauts, but you can never expect to win shooting jumpshots and playing no defense. And that's exactly what putting Steve Nash at the helm of your team does. No player has been to more playoff games without making the NBA Finals. Nobody is even close, now that PJ won with the Celtics. I think the next closest might be Eddie Jones.

Fact is, Gilbert Arenas could have made the Finals on those Suns teams. He pushes the tempo even better, and he's an explosive wing scorer. Nash could put up points in bunches but only when both post players were swinging desperately by Amare's nuts.

Baller 24 · Post #16 » by **Baller 24** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 1:36 pm

Not overrated IMO, but hes a very talented player.

In 2004-2005 I think everyone was just surprised that the Suns won 60+ games, since their were projected to be a bottom seed in the playoffs. And not only that but Nash's stats come to mind when that Suns team was winning.

In 2005-2006 I think everyone was even more surprised, no Joe Johnson? No Amare? and still leads the team to a 60 win season. And most people were saying he got more then half of his assist off of Amare, but that simply was not the case. He's not anywhere close to one of the best MVPs, but it all comes down to winning. Most people thought Kobe was the MVP because his stats were unbelievable, but thats like saying Michael Jordan should have been named the 1987 MVP, instead of Magic Johnson because Jordan was averaging 37.1 ppg, the highest by any player since Wilt.

Malinhion · Post #17 » by **Malinhion** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 2:12 pm

In 2005, Nash left a team that got better by letting him walk in free agency (not trade). The Suns also changed coaches that offseason and added some other pieces, but Nash gets all the credit. Meanwhile, in Miami, Shaq puts up 20/10 on 60% shooting, and leads the Heat to 59 wins after they sold the entire franchise (sans a sophomore Wade) to get him. Meanwhile, the team he leaves misses the playoffs for the first time in more than a decade.

Fast forward to 2006. I could care less about Kobe's stats. The argument here is that Nash was "so amazing" without Joe Johnson and Amare. This is the first time in history I can recall a player winning an MVP because of other guys who were *not* on his team. It's absolutely ludicrous. Meanwhile, over in the Eastern Conference, LeBron leads his team to two less wins than Nash while putting up 30-7-7 and actually playing some semblance of defense. It's not as if LeBron didn't hit the seemingly necessary 50-win threshold, the Cavs had 52 wins to the Suns 54. And guess what? LeBron did it without Joe Johnson and Amare, too. But he also did it without Marion, Bell, Diaw, and Barbosa. So this whole damned argument is bogus.

It's not that Steve Nash benefitted from the system more than everyone else. It's that everyone benefitted from the system, and Steve Nash got all the credit for it.