Going Rates for Players

[lunarblues]

I was wondering what the going rate was for the second best player on a team was. I was thinking that what would be considered too much to give to our own player.

These are based on 08/09 off of hoopshype.com

Boston - pierce - 18 mil
Charlotte - Okafor - ~10-13 mil
Chicago - Kirk Hinrich or Ben Gordon - ~10 mil
Cleveland - Ilgauskas - 10 mil
Dallas - Howard - 10 mil
Denver – Anthony – 13 mil
Detroit – Hamilton – 10 mil
Golden State – Ellis – ~8-10 mil
Houston – Yao – 15 mil
Indiana – Dunleavy – 9 mil
Clippers – Kaman – 9 mil
Lakers – Gasol – 15 mil
Memphis - * too young*
Miami – Marion – 17 mil
Milwaukee – Jefferson – 13 mil
New Orleans – West – 9 mil
Minnesota – Miller – 9 mil
New York – Randolph – 9 mil
Orlando – Lewis – 17 mil
Philly - Dalembert – 10 mil
Phoenix – Stoudmire – 15 mil
Portland - *too young*
Sacremento – Martin – 9 mil
San Antonio – Parker – 11 mil
Seattle/OKC -*too young*
Toronto – O’neal – 21 mil
Utah – Boozer – 11 mil
Washington – Jamison - ~11 mil

So if you look at that list and take out outliers like Pierce, Yao, Gasol, Marion, O’neal, and Lewis the going rate for the second best players on teams are from 9-11 million dollars a year. if this is the going rate for them then why are we talking about a 65 mil dollar deal for smith being too rich for the owners pockets? can Smith be compared to these players? that would put him in line to start out at about 11 million a year. which would put him with Boozer, Jamison, and Parker and that’s only because Philly really wants him. (which we knew was going to happen) all I’m saying is that in order to keep growing as a team we are going to have to put out these types of numbers. I don’t see why the ASG would wait to match once the offer comes through.

you can look at sixth men as well. more than likely those numbers would be the same for what childress would be making.

[MikeRice]

going forward do we consider Joe Johnson and Smith our top two building blocks or do we consider Johnson and Horford our foundation (Thus us giving Horford a #2 type salary and Smith a third option type salary)? Do we have enough money to keep all three happy long term... Personally I would prefer to keep Horford to Smith if a gun was held to my head because I believe a big man is a lot harder to find. Ideally I would love to be able to lock up all 3 for the foreseeable future

[conleyorbust]

going forward do we consider Joe Johnson and Smith our top two building blocks or do we consider Johnson and Horford our foundation (Thus us giving Horford a #2 type salary and Smith a third option type salary)? Do we have enough money to keep all three happy long term... Personally I would prefer to keep Horford to Smith if a gun was held to my head because I believe a big man is a lot harder to find. Ideally I would love to be able to lock up all 3 for the foreseeable future

I think that is a wierd way to look at it.

For one, Horford had a great rookie season but didn't really show himself to be an elite offensive player just yet. He scored a full point less per40 than Smith did as a super-raw rookie SF (a point of reference, not comparison).

More importantly though, the matching or not matching of Smith could have a big effect on our future negotiations with our FAs. If we don't sign Smith and we lose our defensive anchor and second guy on offense, we get a lot worse. JJ won't want to be on a perpetually rebuilding team and might ask out (as he did in PHX). If other teams know they can offer max and ATL ownership will walk away, expect a team or two to offer Al more than what he will be worth when the time comes because they know that ASG might blink.

I think it is flawed logic to evaluate your talent that way, I think you say "what are the potential results of signing" or "what are the potential results of not signing" and if there are more risks with one, go with the other.

[MikeRice]

i agree it is a must that we match any reasonable offer for Smith and I don't want to lose him. I do not know the details of NBA financing and salary caps. I guess my main question is if we give Smith are forced to give Smith a max deal and give Joe an extension will there be enough money left for Horford when he is due an extension?

[conleyorbust]

i agree it is a must that we match any reasonable offer for Smith and I don't want to lose him. I do not know the details of NBA financing and salary caps. I guess my main question is if we give Smith are forced to give Smith a max deal and give Joe an extension will there be enough money left for Horford when he is due an extension?

Under the cap rules yeah, you can exceed the cap to resign/extend your own players which is what we will do with the Joshes.

The question is whether ownership is willing to spend that amount of money, most really good teams are going to have to pay for their players but if your team doesn't get really good...

[lunarblues]

i think that the team considers those two as the main blocks. horford is now a close third. with marvin and childress bringing up the rear. if anything, the person that is most effected by this will be marvin. he is by all accounts a third option (fourth if you include bibby). and yet he will probably want a deal simlar to childress. if anything i think that the way the money is rolling will result in him being Signed and Traded. the city could deal with his loss alot better than they can with josh smith's.

[Skyhawk1]

I'd lose my faith in the game if for any reason we let Horford go. He's a winner. The guys works hard and has great talent. He changed the way we aproached games last year, mainly in the playoffs. I love what he brings to this team. He is our future, pretty much everything that we dreamed in the Marvin and Shelden's pick, we got in him.

[evildallas]

Too early to worry about Al Horford's future contract. Before he is off his rookie deal 3 of the likely 5 years of a deal that Josh Smith signs will have passed by then. The keys will be health and development and the market at the time when he is up for an extension. If he develops as I expect then I am all for considering him a cornerstone of this franchise. I believe Josh Smith is ready to be a cornerstone now.

The guy I have the biggest question mark about in Marvin Williams. He'll have to improve certain aspects of his game if he is going to merit anything about the mid-level exception in terms of an investment. That happens to be quite a bit below his qualifying offer. Come this next off season I fully expect Marvin Williams to be either a 10M+ player (starting salary) or play for the one year qualifying offer. No real middle ground. Either he shows the progress in terms of shooting range and D to get a big check (from someone maybe not Atlanta) or he plays out his rookie deal to become unrestricted in hopes of really cleaning up. Even if he signs a big deal I'm not sure he shows the drive/attitude to truly earn it over the long haul. This really isn't a concern right now (although I believe it should be). He'll be given the year to fly or falter because if nothing else our multi-headed ownership is reactionary rather proactive.