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Re: O-Sen: Magic shift focus as Duhon heads to Knicks (update21) 

Post#341 » by spinedoc » Tue Jul 8, 2008 1:20 am

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You agree now I guess. I swear a year ago you were saying the exact opposite. Talking about how Rashard played like Tmac. That his lack of post touches would not be a problem.

The only way you force a team to guard Rashard with a SF is if you have a PF that can take advantage in the post against a smaller defender. The problem is how many teams have 2 bigs capable of doing that. You have him at SF and Battie at PF teams could still play Rashard as the second post player because Battie has little post game.



No, I said Rashard reminded me of Tmac, not that he played like him. If Tmac was bigger, I'd imagine he'd be like Lewis and vice versa. It was a bad analogy. I know Tmac is a more athletic and dynamic player, but their jumpshots look similar, and sometimes their drives to the hole do as well. I also added that they even have the same knock against them, that they settle for the jumper too much. It doesn't matter now, and it was lost on you, thats ok.

The lack of post touches your talking about is that I don't think Lewis needs to camp out on the low block to be successful like you do. He can post up guys farther out, and you can run iso's for him to take advantage of the mismatches. And, you don't have to have a pf that plays in the post all the time in order to do that either. A pf that can take his man away from the hoop will have the same desired effect as well. We just need a pf that will command the attention of the other teams four though. But you keep referring to Shard as being the second best post player all the time, but you keep missing the point, and make incorrect assumptions of what that even means. His ability to post up has nothing to do with him having to play pf in order to take advantage of that. Also, if he is posting his man, he can easily pass over him and hit the cutter or kick it out for a mid-range shot. It doesn't have to be back out to the three point line. Battie can hit the open jumper, and Dwight can cut to the hoop off of that play too. I guess I just don't understand where your coming from with your analysis. It seems so pigeon holed and constrained. There is so much more you can do with him then you give him credit for imo.
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Re: O-Sen: Magic shift focus as Duhon heads to Knicks (update21) 

Post#342 » by richboy » Tue Jul 8, 2008 8:31 am

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richboy wrote:
You agree now I guess. I swear a year ago you were saying the exact opposite. Talking about how Rashard played like Tmac. That his lack of post touches would not be a problem.

The only way you force a team to guard Rashard with a SF is if you have a PF that can take advantage in the post against a smaller defender. The problem is how many teams have 2 bigs capable of doing that. You have him at SF and Battie at PF teams could still play Rashard as the second post player because Battie has little post game.



No, I said Rashard reminded me of Tmac, not that he played like him. If Tmac was bigger, I'd imagine he'd be like Lewis and vice versa. It was a bad analogy. I know Tmac is a more athletic and dynamic player, but their jumpshots look similar, and sometimes their drives to the hole do as well. I also added that they even have the same knock against them, that they settle for the jumper too much. It doesn't matter now, and it was lost on you, thats ok.

The lack of post touches your talking about is that I don't think Lewis needs to camp out on the low block to be successful like you do. He can post up guys farther out, and you can run iso's for him to take advantage of the mismatches. And, you don't have to have a pf that plays in the post all the time in order to do that either. A pf that can take his man away from the hoop will have the same desired effect as well. We just need a pf that will command the attention of the other teams four though. But you keep referring to Shard as being the second best post player all the time, but you keep missing the point, and make incorrect assumptions of what that even means. His ability to post up has nothing to do with him having to play pf in order to take advantage of that. Also, if he is posting his man, he can easily pass over him and hit the cutter or kick it out for a mid-range shot. It doesn't have to be back out to the three point line. Battie can hit the open jumper, and Dwight can cut to the hoop off of that play too. I guess I just don't understand where your coming from with your analysis. It seems so pigeon holed and constrained. There is so much more you can do with him then you give him credit for imo.


Its not lost on me. You said Rashard would explode like Tmac. That he played similar to Tmac

Really this is a joke. Its like we need all this things right to make things work well for Rashard. Greatness doesn't have excuses. Like I always say the definition of greatness is being great despite when you could have opportunity for excuses.

A PF that makes jump shots doesn't do the job completely. If you was that afraid of Rashard in the post you could still defend the PF with a SF since he going to be hanging on the perimeter anyway.

Your missing the point. I think the problem is you look at it in the eyes of lets do what we have to do to assure success for Rashard. The problem is Rashard is not the best player on this team or most talented. Coaches run the plays that have the best chances of success. Your force feeding the ball to Rashard in these situations. Perfect example. Lets get the ball to Rashard in the post and he can kick out to Tony Battie. Rashard isn't that good of a passer out of the post for one. If your SVG are you running get the ball to Rashard so he can kick to Tony Battie plays. Battie who shot around 32% on midrange jump shots his last season. Dwight one of the most efficient post players in the league. Will get double teamed a lot more than Rashard. Instead of kicking it to Tony Battie your kicking it to Rashard Lewis. You turned Dwight into a cutter. If your SVG do you want Dwight cutting or you want Rashard cutting.

To me it sounds like you should have issues with SVG play calling. That you think he should be running more plays for Rashard Lewis and less for Dwight. This of course would make you feel better. Instead of just admitting that Rashard was not a good fit because a big part of his game can not be taken advantage of because of Dwight. Instead of a compliment to Dwight from the perimeter I guess what you wanted last summer was to transform Dwight into a weakside cutter.

One thing should be said. Rashard is not a great post player. He a great post up player in comparison to most SFs. The Sonics tried the whole build an offense around Rashard post ability stuff and for the most part it was a failure. Rashard in the post did nothing but help himself score. He couldn't help make anyone better because he not much of a passer. Anytime someone wants to shut him down they send a double team and he struggles to find the open man. If I'm the opposing team I would love to see more post ups for Rashard and less pick-n-rolls and post ups for Dwight.

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richboy wrote: MP is not good enough to make statements like well its okay if we overpay.


To be clear, I'm not suggesting that we should pay whatever it takes to get MP specifically. I'm saying that right now it would be better for us to pay somebody a little more than he's worth -- or in the case of a James Posey, give him a year more than we would want to at his age -- in order to give us an upgrade over Bogans/Evans.

As to MP specifically, I agree that he's not a good ball handler and can be a bit of a head case, but he's taller, longer, stronger, and more athletic than either Bogans or Evans. I think that's precisely what we need at the two, and why I'm also a big fan of Childress and Posey. None of the three would be a perfect fit -- Childress is limited by his outside shot, Posey by his ball handling and age, Pietrus by his ball handling and basketball IQ -- but I'd rather spend a little extra for one of them than be stuck with guys whom we know are bad ball handlers and not very good defenders.


This team is not a Mickael Pietrus away from beating the Pistons or Celtics. As much as you want to get your man you could be looking to dump him if he doesn't improve his game. We alrealdy drafted Lee and now we would give the entire MLE for someone to do what we hope Lee is going to do. Although at this point Mickael has been more of a 3 million per year player than a 6.

Regarding JR Smith. Its a mystery to Nugget fans why he doesn't play more. The book on Smith is well his defense isn't that great. Yet the Nuggets played better defense with him in the game and his opponents PER was right at league average. Some say its his shot selection. Yet he shot 46% from the field despite taking 5 3 point shots per game. He shot 53% in the playoffs. His shots per minute is not that high either. Some say well he doesn't pass the ball well. He isn't Tracy McGrady with making decisions. Fact is he only had 39 passing turnovers for the season and 3 assist to 1 passing turnover ratio. Really Smith lack of minutes is more a result to the fact that the Nuggets don't like Iverson at the PG.
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Re: O-Sen: Magic shift focus as Duhon heads to Knicks (update21) 

Post#343 » by mhectorgato » Tue Jul 8, 2008 1:40 pm

richboy wrote:Regarding JR Smith. Its a mystery to Nugget fans why he doesn't play more. The book on Smith is well his defense isn't that great. Yet the Nuggets played better defense with him in the game and his opponents PER was right at league average. Some say its his shot selection. Yet he shot 46% from the field despite taking 5 3 point shots per game. He shot 53% in the playoffs. His shots per minute is not that high either. Some say well he doesn't pass the ball well. He isn't Tracy McGrady with making decisions. Fact is he only had 39 passing turnovers for the season and 3 assist to 1 passing turnover ratio. Really Smith lack of minutes is more a result to the fact that the Nuggets don't like Iverson at the PG.


Remember it's not stats but how he plays the game.

http://www.nobloodnofoul.com/2007/10/20 ... is-career/
Smith’s career with Denver started well enough, but Denver’s acquisition of Allen Iverson in Dec. 2006 signaled the beginning of Smith’s troubles. Smith’s minutes dropped steadily, and it was clear that George Karl was irritated with Smith’s lack of defense and poor shot selection. Karl’s frustrations with Smith boiled over in the playoffs, when Karl benched JR saying that he was a “good/bad player” that had “insulted the dignity of the game."


http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_5796772
Smith was charged with negatively changing the momentum in Game 3 on Saturday night with several bad plays.

At the end of the third quarter, he turned over the ball, leading to a Robert Horry 3-pointer. Then a possession later, he got a steal and took an ill-advised shot, after which San Antonio sprinted back the other way for a Michael Finley 3-pointer. Those six quick points turned a 66-64 game into a 72-64 Spurs lead with less than two minutes left.

At the start of the fourth quarter, Smith was called for a flagrant foul that allowed San Antonio to keep the momentum. The Spurs went on to win that game.

Monday, in addition to a third-quarter turnover, the guard attempted a questionable 3-pointer with 25 seconds left and the Nuggets trailing by four. The ball was supposed to go to a teammate. But what pushed Karl over the edge was another 3-pointer late in the game.

"Of course the one with eight seconds to go, from 50 feet," Karl said. "I just love the dignity of the game being insulted right in front of me."


Granted these were from the previous season's playoffs - and there's always room for improvement. This is why he's a gamble - plus his off-court issues.

wiki wrote:Smith's driving record included five suspensions in eight months, but was "in good standing" at the time of the crash in New Jersey. He was required to pay restoration fees and fines. Smith totaled 27 points against his record from April 2005 to January 2006, including eight violations on seven different days. Five citations were for speeding. His most recent suspension was February 7, 2006.
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Re: O-Sen: Magic shift focus as Duhon heads to Knicks (update21) 

Post#344 » by Catledge » Tue Jul 8, 2008 3:36 pm

All valid points, Hector. JR would certainly be a gamble, but Maggette is just about the only guy out there who wouldn't be a gamble for us, and he's a long shot.

MP - might not be develop into the defender we would need him to be.
Childress - his lack of outside shooting may make it hard to keep him on the floor with Dwight.
Posey - his ball handling might put too much pressure on Turk and his age might cause a sudden dropoff in production within the next couple of years.
Lou Willimas - not a SG and might not be willing to take a back seat to Jameer.

Granted, the difference is that the risks above are essentially individual ones -- that the guys might not give us what we want -- whereas the risk with Smith is an infective one -- he might actually be a negative, as opposed to just a non-positive. But it's not totally outlandish to hope that SVG's coaching and Dwight and Jameer's leadership could get Smith to take the right shots, and it's not like speeding tickets are the worst thing in the world. At least he doesn't have a history of violent crime (as far as I know).
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Post#345 » by mhectorgato » Tue Jul 8, 2008 4:05 pm

Catledge wrote:All valid points, Hector. JR would certainly be a gamble, but Maggette is just about the only guy out there who wouldn't be a gamble for us, and he's a long shot.


I understand completely. It would require a long sit down with to make sure his head is in the right place first before moving forward.

It could also be a matter of getting him away from the "thugs" in Denver would help. Plus as someone else mentioned, his family is in town, so perhaps that would help him.
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Post#346 » by orlandomike » Tue Jul 8, 2008 5:19 pm

I am not sure why so many see Bogans and Evans as bad players. They both play within their skill level, i havent seen them make many dumb plays. They are athletic and aggressive.

I will keep saying it. Nelson is our liability. We dont need a backup PG we need a STARTING point guard.
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Post#347 » by drsd » Tue Jul 8, 2008 5:30 pm

orlandomike wrote:I am not sure why so many see Bogans and Evans as bad players. They both play within their skill level, i havent seen them make many dumb plays. They are athletic and aggressive.

I will keep saying it. Nelson is our liability. We dont need a backup PG we need a STARTING point guard.


I could not more strongly disagree. Last year, game after game was lost at the SG slot. And now, the Magic are even more thin.

The current depth chart for SG is in order: Bogans, Redick, Lee. Eee Gads!

Also, every metric basketball statisticians have come up with ranks Nelson as the 12-16th best PG in the NBA. Given that there are about 90 PGs in the NBA, Nelson is clearly better than average.

Bogans, Redick, nor Lee would be stated as better than average at their guard slot.
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Post#348 » by spinedoc » Tue Jul 8, 2008 5:41 pm

richboy wrote:Your missing the point. I think the problem is you look at it in the eyes of lets do what we have to do to assure success for Rashard. The problem is Rashard is not the best player on this team or most talented. Coaches run the plays that have the best chances of success. Your force feeding the ball to Rashard in these situations. Perfect example. Lets get the ball to Rashard in the post and he can kick out to Tony Battie. Rashard isn't that good of a passer out of the post for one. If your SVG are you running get the ball to Rashard so he can kick to Tony Battie plays. Battie who shot around 32% on midrange jump shots his last season. Dwight one of the most efficient post players in the league. Will get double teamed a lot more than Rashard. Instead of kicking it to Tony Battie your kicking it to Rashard Lewis. You turned Dwight into a cutter. If your SVG do you want Dwight cutting or you want Rashard cutting.

To me it sounds like you should have issues with SVG play calling. That you think he should be running more plays for Rashard Lewis and less for Dwight. This of course would make you feel better. Instead of just admitting that Rashard was not a good fit because a big part of his game can not be taken advantage of because of Dwight. Instead of a compliment to Dwight from the perimeter I guess what you wanted last summer was to transform Dwight into a weakside cutter.



Wow, if you were the coach you would have a playbook thats paper thin. Rashard is a good fit for this team Rich, and you can do so much more than you suggest. I wouldn't be force feeding the ball to Lewis, lol. We need to utilize his post up ability, rather than your complaints of him being nothing more than a weak side shooter. And by using those skills its not taking away from Dwight, but rather taking some of the pressure off of him. And when I say that he can kick it over to Battie, I mean when the double team comes because of the mismatch. Tony is more than capable of that 15ft shot. I would like someone even better eventually, but the whole goal here is to mix it up to keep teams off balanced. You didn't notice when things got predictable how much Dwight suffered? Of course you run iso's for Shard and pick and pops, and let him post his man up and shoot over the smaller defender. Let me ask you this, if we had Billups on this team, would you not use his size to post up smaller pg's? How would this further take away from Dwight? And should he play the pf position because one of his strengths is the ability to post up?

I don't have a problem with SVG play calling at all. He did what he needed to do given our roster and the fact that this was Shard's first year here, and Hedo's tenure and familiarity with the offense already. He will make adjustments in the second year, and then again next year. Its what coaches do as the players develop and the personnel changes. Thats why I believe Hedo will be gone eventually. We don't go out and get a guy, pay him the max, and treat him like he's a Kapono type player with limited skillset. We utilize those attributes to their fullest, and I believe that is going to be at the sf position, I also believe that Stan understands that as well. We'll see who is right in the long run. You have such a stunted view of Shard and compare him often of what he did or didn't do in Seattle. Well in Seattle, the team was not balanced at all, and because of that you make over-reaching assumptions about what he will be like here. We will have to agree to disagree once again Rich.
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Post#349 » by mhectorgato » Tue Jul 8, 2008 6:15 pm

drsd wrote:Bogans, Redick, nor Lee would be stated as better than average at their guard slot.


iirc, 82 games ranked our SG rotation as 24th best last season. Of course that was offset with the #1 C ;-)
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Post#350 » by richboy » Tue Jul 8, 2008 11:43 pm

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richboy wrote:Your missing the point. I think the problem is you look at it in the eyes of lets do what we have to do to assure success for Rashard. The problem is Rashard is not the best player on this team or most talented. Coaches run the plays that have the best chances of success. Your force feeding the ball to Rashard in these situations. Perfect example. Lets get the ball to Rashard in the post and he can kick out to Tony Battie. Rashard isn't that good of a passer out of the post for one. If your SVG are you running get the ball to Rashard so he can kick to Tony Battie plays. Battie who shot around 32% on midrange jump shots his last season. Dwight one of the most efficient post players in the league. Will get double teamed a lot more than Rashard. Instead of kicking it to Tony Battie your kicking it to Rashard Lewis. You turned Dwight into a cutter. If your SVG do you want Dwight cutting or you want Rashard cutting.

To me it sounds like you should have issues with SVG play calling. That you think he should be running more plays for Rashard Lewis and less for Dwight. This of course would make you feel better. Instead of just admitting that Rashard was not a good fit because a big part of his game can not be taken advantage of because of Dwight. Instead of a compliment to Dwight from the perimeter I guess what you wanted last summer was to transform Dwight into a weakside cutter.



Wow, if you were the coach you would have a playbook thats paper thin. Rashard is a good fit for this team Rich, and you can do so much more than you suggest. I wouldn't be force feeding the ball to Lewis, lol. We need to utilize his post up ability, rather than your complaints of him being nothing more than a weak side shooter. And by using those skills its not taking away from Dwight, but rather taking some of the pressure off of him. And when I say that he can kick it over to Battie, I mean when the double team comes because of the mismatch. Tony is more than capable of that 15ft shot. I would like someone even better eventually, but the whole goal here is to mix it up to keep teams off balanced. You didn't notice when things got predictable how much Dwight suffered? Of course you run iso's for Shard and pick and pops, and let him post his man up and shoot over the smaller defender. Let me ask you this, if we had Billups on this team, would you not use his size to post up smaller pg's? How would this further take away from Dwight? And should he play the pf position because one of his strengths is the ability to post up?

I don't have a problem with SVG play calling at all. He did what he needed to do given our roster and the fact that this was Shard's first year here, and Hedo's tenure and familiarity with the offense already. He will make adjustments in the second year, and then again next year. Its what coaches do as the players develop and the personnel changes. Thats why I believe Hedo will be gone eventually. We don't go out and get a guy, pay him the max, and treat him like he's a Kapono type player with limited skillset. We utilize those attributes to their fullest, and I believe that is going to be at the sf position, I also believe that Stan understands that as well. We'll see who is right in the long run. You have such a stunted view of Shard and compare him often of what he did or didn't do in Seattle. Well in Seattle, the team was not balanced at all, and because of that you make over-reaching assumptions about what he will be like here. We will have to agree to disagree once again Rich.


Teams with a dominate play usually run those plays exclusively and the majority of the time. You don't need or have big think playbooks like you have in the NFL. Your saying lets run Rashard in the post who a far lesser post player who if he does get double team can kick to Tony Battie who a far worse shooter. I've yet to hear a good reason why your running this play over what was extremely successful last year. Again your not going to run that play with any consistency over Dwight Howard kicking it to Rashard Lewis. Rashard has even said this himself.

Now if your saying when Dwight isn't in the game or if he having a matchup problem perhaps we should post up Rashard more often. I would definitely have to agree with that. Is that going to make a massive change in the offense. Well the reality is since Rashard and Dwight both start we don't see a lot of minutes on the floor with Rashard in the game and Dwight benched.

If we had Chauncey Billups on this team the circumstances would remain the same. Billups is not a better post player than Dwight Howard. Teams that post up PGs or Sfs do so because of a lack of post talent on there own roster. Billups goes into the post because outside of a few Rasheed post up plays they have no consistent inside presence. Same with Baron Davis in Golden State. Same with Andre Miller in Phili. Would any of these guys post up if they played with Shaq or Yao. Tmac has a decent mid post game. You rarely see it if Yao in the game. Shaq played with 3 guards all good at going into the post. Penny was perhaps the best of the 3. Penny Kobe rarel post when Shaq was in the game. When Shaq was injured Penny exploded as the teams prime post player. Dwade very good posting. Never would post up if Shaq was in the game.

My view on Rashard is realistic. I realize what he can and can not do. I've said from the get go what was going to happen and why I felt like Rashard was not a good fit. Simple this team needed a dynamic perimeter player. That Rashard is a post up SF with a good jump shot. This team should not be giving a max contract who biggest gift is his ability to post up when we already have a franchise center that does that pretty damn well. That sentence should end any argument if Rashard is a good fit. It would be like NO signing Steve Nash to the max knowing Chris Paul would always have the ball but wanted to utilize Nash shooting.

The reason why Hedo such a important player on this roster and Corey is someone that this team needs is because Rashard can not give them the play making off the dribble that we need. The fact is were paying 20 million per season and he unable to fill the biggest void on this roster. Its not his fault. IMO the cats that advocated giving Rashard the max didn't watch Rashard play consistently.

How can anyone say he a good fit. He playing out of position. He not as good as the SF on the roster already. You probably going to have to trade your SF down the line so he can play the position he can't defend. He not good enough to take many post ups away from Dwight even if he is at SF. He not good enough to run the offense on the perimeter like Hedo. Matter of fact you get rid of Hedo who knows who becomes this teams best playmaker on the perimeter because Rashard has limited ball handling skills. WOW. He is an AMAZING fit.
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Post#351 » by richboy » Tue Jul 8, 2008 11:52 pm

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orlandomike wrote:I am not sure why so many see Bogans and Evans as bad players. They both play within their skill level, i havent seen them make many dumb plays. They are athletic and aggressive.

I will keep saying it. Nelson is our liability. We dont need a backup PG we need a STARTING point guard.


I could not more strongly disagree. Last year, game after game was lost at the SG slot. And now, the Magic are even more thin.

The current depth chart for SG is in order: Bogans, Redick, Lee. Eee Gads!

Also, every metric basketball statisticians have come up with ranks Nelson as the 12-16th best PG in the NBA. Given that there are about 90 PGs in the NBA, Nelson is clearly better than average.

Bogans, Redick, nor Lee would be stated as better than average at their guard slot.


Well Stat wise Jameer on Hollinger PER ranked 16th among PGs. However the stats usually don't take into account defense. Jameer opponents PER suggest he gives up more than he gets. I think its fair to call him average if not below average when you take into account that side of the floor. That said SG is in worse shape.
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Post#352 » by spinedoc » Wed Jul 9, 2008 3:00 am

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Teams that post up PGs or Sfs do so because of a lack of post talent on there own roster.


This argument has run its course, but here is the highlight of your response that says it all for me. Teams post up whoever has the ability and where the mismatches are, not due to a lack of a low post threat silly. Richboy, your a pretty one dimensional dude. :wink:
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Post#353 » by richboy » Wed Jul 9, 2008 3:25 am

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richboy wrote:
Teams that post up PGs or Sfs do so because of a lack of post talent on there own roster.


This argument has run its course, but here is the highlight of your response that says it all for me. Teams post up whoever has the ability and where the mismatches are, not due to a lack of a low post threat silly. Richboy, your a pretty one dimensional dude. :wink:


Well name me a team in history that has consistently posted up a guard or Sf over a dominate big man.
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Post#354 » by MagicStarwipe » Wed Jul 9, 2008 8:53 am

The mid 90's Orlando Magic used to post up Penny Hardaway, Nick Anderson and Shaquille O'neal.
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Post#355 » by spinedoc » Wed Jul 9, 2008 11:59 am

MagicStarwipe wrote:The mid 90's Orlando Magic used to post up Penny Hardaway, Nick Anderson and Shaquille O'neal.


Nice assist, but Detroit does that now with Billups, Teyshaun, and Rasheed. Magic used to do that regularly and they had Kareem, and Drexler with Hakeem. Those are just a couple off the top of my head, but I'm sure there are plenty more.
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Re: O-Sen: Magic shift focus as Duhon heads to Knicks (update21) 

Post#356 » by MrOrlando » Wed Jul 9, 2008 1:30 pm

Word on the street is we're getting Pietrus ;D
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Re: O-Sen: Magic shift focus as Duhon heads to Knicks (update21) 

Post#357 » by OrlandoMagic » Wed Jul 9, 2008 2:03 pm

DFlight wrote:Word on the street is we're getting Pietrus ;D



did you just wake up?
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Re: O-Sen: Magic shift focus as Duhon heads to Knicks (update21) 

Post#358 » by richboy » Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:23 am

spinedoc wrote:
MagicStarwipe wrote:The mid 90's Orlando Magic used to post up Penny Hardaway, Nick Anderson and Shaquille O'neal.


Nice assist, but Detroit does that now with Billups, Teyshaun, and Rasheed. Magic used to do that regularly and they had Kareem, and Drexler with Hakeem. Those are just a couple off the top of my head, but I'm sure there are plenty more.


Penny and Nick did there posting when Shaq would leave the game.

Drexler never received any consistent post ups with Hakeem. I'm not talking about 1 post up per quarter. Magic's post up game really came late in Kareem's career. Even still I can't remember almost any time Magic went consistently in the post over Kareem.

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