Darius Miles a Potential Sun?

nba_addict · Post #1 » by **nba_addict** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 1:26 pm

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archi ... ius_miles/

I wouldnt mind signing him. Not that I expect him to bring the Suns to promise land but just to punish Portland for not giving us Brandon Rush and Webster for Barbosa.

Seriously, this sounds like a joke. :-?

ClosAZ · Post #2 » by **ClosAZ** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 2:06 pm

our potential free agents get better and better every day... :nonono:

Tyrone Lue as a backup point guard is not the answer, he's another minny mouse that will bet abused all bigger point guards.

Brent Barry dissed us last year and now we're going back to get shot down again? Besides all he has is a 3 point shot, albeit a great one.

Darius Miles???????? That's almost better than Allan Houston. Maybe if we could combine both of their legs they could walk.

I know we have no money to spend and all but I'd almost rather take a fly on some up and coming D leaguers than try and pretend to the fans that the Suns are putting the final pieces together with old washed up and injured veterans that no other team really wants.

Not a whole lot of options out there I understand but if I were the Suns I'd try like heck to get Dragic over here somehow and throw him in the fire to back up Nash and/or hope DJ Strawberry can play backup point in spurts. At least we all know he'll play real solid D which we need at the point. I mean come on, if we sign Brent Barry will a guy like Alando Tucker every see any playing time? I'd at least like to see if the guy has any game or not or if he was the wrong 1st round selection last year...

NashtyNas · Post #3 » by **NashtyNas** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 3:18 pm

ClosAZ wrote:I know we have no money to spend and all but I'd almost rather take a fly on some up and coming D leaguers than try and pretend to the fans that the Suns are putting the final pieces together with old washed up and injured veterans that no other team really wants.

I completely agree with you, i even made a thread abt it, but most other fans disagree. They think Lue is "what we need" (wtf hes 6ft tall, hes NOT what we need at the point. we need size, and defence, and 20mpg from the guy a la Stuckey. I think D-Leaguers should be our first priority, and at the PG, im in love with Kruger. Sean Banks intrigues me with his athleticisim and defence to backup Stoudemire. These guys are CHEAP (we're talking minimum contracts), and they will play hard. Banks could be our own Maxiell and Kruger our Stuckey (he may be an inch or 2 shorter but this guy can shoot and pass with the best of them as it seems).

Sarlonus · Post #4 » by **Sarlonus** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 4:05 pm

I actually think Miles could be a low risk, high reward player. We only have to give him vet min or even a not fully guaranteed contract. He could fight for the spot in training camp. I assumed Kerr would target players with a history of injury and get them for cheap. The injury prone label kills some pretty decent player's value on the market. Kerr has that faith in our training staff to take a shot at such players. He could offer Miles a similar contract to what he offered Skinner last year. If Miles makes it out of training camp, his contract becomes guaranteed.

Stix · Post #5 » by **Stix** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 4:32 pm

sd1306 wrote:I completely agree with you, i even made a thread abt it, but most other fans disagree. They think Lue is "what we need" (wtf hes 6ft tall, hes NOT what we need at the point. we need size, and defence, and 20mpg from the guy a la Stuckey. I think D-Leaguers should be our first priority, and at the PG, im in love with Kruger. Sean Banks intrigues me with his athleticisim and defence to backup Stoudemire. These guys are CHEAP (we're talking minimum contracts), and they will play hard. Banks could be our own Maxiell and Kruger our Stuckey (he may be an inch or 2 shorter but this guy can shoot and pass with the best of them as it seems).

Defense...

and Lue is not that bad and no we don't need him to score 20 ppg. Ridiculous statement. Lue is a great long range shooter as well.

BitonKOBE · Post #6 » by **BitonKOBE** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 5:01 pm

phungk wrote:
sd1306 wrote:I completely agree with you, i even made a thread abt it, but most other fans disagree. They think Lue is "what we need" (wtf hes 6ft tall, hes NOT what we need at the point. we need size, and defence, and 20mpg from the guy a la Stuckey. I think D-Leaguers should be our first priority, and at the PG, im in love with Kruger. Sean Banks intrigues me with his athleticisim and defence to backup Stoudemire. These guys are CHEAP (we're talking minimum contracts), and they will play hard. Banks could be our own Maxiell and Kruger our Stuckey (he may be an inch or 2 shorter but this guy can shoot and pass with the best of them as it seems).

Defense...

and Lue is not that bad and no we don't need him to score 20 ppg. Ridiculous statement. Lue is a great long range shooter as well.

'defence' is an acceptable spelling and that guy wrote 20 mpg, not 20 ppg.

move-by-move tip for next time: read, then google any potential corrections yer gonna make, then post.

i think this would be a good move for the suns. no-lose if he doesnt make the team after training camp. he can (has) score(d) 45 points in a game. and maybe the knicks buyout q rich and he comes and plays for you guys again.

dont act like you wouldnt want q rich if you could have him cheap

flanpaw42 · Post #7 » by **flanpaw42** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 5:08 pm

maybe we can talk to portlandand tell them " hey trade us what we want for barbosa or we will sign miles to a vet min deal, sit him the 10 games he's suspended, then let him play five minutes of garbage time in 10 games so that he counts against your cap".... i think that would be a pretty awesome (and mean) thing to do.

miles doesnt suck, but he wasnt worth the contract he was given.

Sun Scorched · Post #8 » by **Sun Scorched** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 5:21 pm

flanpaw42 wrote:maybe we can talk to portlandand tell them " hey trade us what we want for barbosa or we will sign miles to a vet min deal, sit him the 10 games he's suspended, then let him play five minutes of garbage time in 10 games so that he counts against your cap".... i think that would be a pretty awesome (and mean) thing to do.

miles doesnt suck, but he wasnt worth the contract he was given.

I'm going to act stupid here for a minute...

...okay, maybe it's not an act...

...how would he count against the Blazer's salary cap? Sounds interesting and like something I should know.

Thanks.

amitg · Post #9 » by **amitg** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 5:29 pm

if miles plays 10 games in the next 2 seasons, portland can't say his career is over (the case where his buyout won't count against the cap)

i even think they tried to offer him more money if he retires from basketball...

JohnVancouver · Post #10 » by **JohnVancouver** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 7:30 pm

amitg wrote:if miles plays 10 games in the next 2 seasons, portland can't say his career is over (the case where his buyout won't count against the cap)

I even think they tried to offer him more money if he retires from basketball...

-- What the hell, give him a shot. I watched a couple of interviers with him and you know, he doesn't seem like a bad guy. I think some kids just shouldn't come stright out of HS and into the pros. Some can handle it, some can't - Miles may have learned some tough lessons the last few years.
Get him to camp, check him out and listen to what the other guys - nash Shaq and Grant - have to say about him.

Previous poster - do a search here for Darius and you can read some fairly clear explanation so the whole Miles contract/Portland cap situation.

cucad8 · Post #11 » by **cucad8** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 7:31 pm

flanpaw42 wrote:maybe we can talk to portlandand tell them " hey trade us what we want for barbosa or we will sign miles to a vet min deal, sit him the 10 games he's suspended, then let him play five minutes of garbage time in 10 games so that he counts against your cap".... i think that would be a pretty awesome (and mean) thing to do.

miles doesnt suck, but he wasnt worth the contract he was given.

Awesome Idea!! And you have just the type of cheap *** owner who is willing to throw away 2 million dollars on a whim like that. Right.

NashtyNas · Post #12 » by **NashtyNas** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 8:17 pm

phungk wrote:Defense...

and Lue is not that bad and no we don't need him to score 20 ppg. Ridiculous statement. Lue is a great long range shooter as well.

Ok, first of all, defense or defence, same thing. Secondly, i wrote MPG meaning minutes, NOT points, which makes your statement ridiculous. I also didnt say anything about his range nor did i say he cant play defence, but he isnt an upgrade on defence because a) hes already lost a couple steps with his age like Nash and b) hes small just like nash. we need SIZE and SPEED on defence @ the pg position. So just to let you know, your statement was pointless and ridiculous, not mine. Think before you post next time.

NashtyNas · Post #13 » by **NashtyNas** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 8:23 pm

Sun Scorched wrote:
flanpaw42 wrote:maybe we can talk to portlandand tell them " hey trade us what we want for barbosa or we will sign miles to a vet min deal, sit him the 10 games he's suspended, then let him play five minutes of garbage time in 10 games so that he counts against your cap".... i think that would be a pretty awesome (and mean) thing to do.

miles doesnt suck, but he wasnt worth the contract he was given.

I'm going to act stupid here for a minute...

...okay, maybe it's not an act...

...how would he count against the Blazer's salary cap? Sounds interesting and like something I should know.

Thanks.

Just to let you know, If Miles serves his 10 game suspension, then plays for another NBA team in 10 games during the period of the next TWO seasons, then the Trailblazers will be hit with his salary in their capspace. This is very unlikely and i doubt we sign him before february, if at all, because GM's have an agreement not to sign medically retired players unless they are the last piece to a championship, and maybe this guy could be if he could start and give us 25-30mins a game, which i doubt he can. The only likely situation i see is we sign him to 2 ten day contracts in JAN, and in feb before the trade deadline, sign him for the minimum which comes up to about 300k. He would be a good addition if he can play. First thing we need to do though is get a backup PG and then PF and fill the wings with SHOOTERSSSS!

-SDU- · Post #14 » by **-SDU-** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 9:13 pm

personally i would have a shot at him, not because i think he can make it myself, but because the suns medical staff are the only staff in the league who might be able to make it work

im all for trying injured players right now, mainly because of the belief i have in our doctors

Jack wore plaid · Post #15 » by **Jack wore plaid** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 9:29 pm

-SDU- wrote:personally i would have a shot at him, not because i think he can make it myself, but because the suns medical staff are the only staff in the league who might be able to make it work

im all for trying injured players right now, mainly because of the belief i have in our doctors

I think he could still play at some point, but the important question is whether another independent Dr. would declare that he should play. If that happens then Portland is on the hook for his salary. If he sticks with the original independent Dr and says his injuries are career ending, then he can still play, but Portland isn't responsible for his cap money.

Togo · Post #16 » by **Togo** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 9:37 pm

Give him a shot. The man has obviously rehabbed somewhat, otherwise how would he have an "impressive workout" for the Celtics. 15-20 min per game for the vet min. It's worth a shot.

cucad8 · Post #17 » by **cucad8** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 9:46 pm

That's the thing though, how competitive can you expect to be if you are willing or able to give Darius Miles, coming off of a "career ending" injury, 15-20 MPG?

Post #18 » by **rsavaj** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 10:03 pm

Yeah....that's a bit iffy. If he does shine in his workout though somehow, maybe sign him on in the Pike/Shirley role.

walkingart · Post #19 » by **walkingart** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 10:39 pm

I am all for bringing him in as the last guy to fill out our roster, especially if looks good in workouts.

I am sure Hill could have gotten a Dr to declare him unable to play when he was having his ankle injuries. Miles always wanted to come back, it was Portland who was trying to get him off their payroll and most likely making an insurance company have to pay him. So I say F him. And if sd is right about an "understanding" in the league, Miles should go play in Europe, come back and sue the league for blackballing him!

Post #20 » by **Miklo** » Wed Jul 9, 2008 2:12 am

rsavaj wrote:the Pike/Shirley role.

...assistant blogger? :lol:

I agree, there's nothing to lose by offering him a deal contingent on his performance in camp...BUT I feel like that's a little passive considering EVERY SINGLE time we get in a free agent battle with another team we lose. The noise has been heard about his Boston workout and I'd be surprised if the Suns were the only ones to call him up. Additionally I'm surprised no one has really mentioned the chemistry issue with DMiles...the issue he had with Mo Cheeks as well as the drug suspension don't speak very well to his character.

Also not mentioned is the fact that this guy starred in a movie - hah anyone remember him in that crappy movie about getting a good enough SAT score to play ball?