Mavs sign Diop to full Mid-Level

[jwa1107]

Remember, it's not the 9th yet. The Mavs are working on a S&T to bring Diop back here. He would be signed for MLE money, but not for the MLE. It would free us up to sign someone else for the MLE and solidify our roster. We shall see if the FO gets it right or goes with the status quo and screws it up again.

what kind of deal do you think they can make with NJN?

they are loaded on the frontline with
Yi, Nenad, Boone, Williams, Lopez and Swift
so they might not want/need Bass and definitely no Damp (unless they are trying to dump VC salary)

They are thinner at SG/SF, but would they take Stack?
do they have a place for JET? and even if they did would they take the contract?

Swift and Diop for Stack & Eddie Jones and another pick?

I can't see a good trade match as much as I'd prefer a Diop S&T to the full MLE...

[Teffer10]

How about this?

Sign Diop for full MLE.

Then 4 way deal Dallas/Boston/Clips/Miami.

Dallas trades Howard, Terry, Bass, Wright, Damp, and Stack
Recieves Allen, Marion, Blount

Miami trades Marion and Blount
Recieves Howard, Bass, Thomas

Boston trades Allen and Powe
Receives Magette, Terry, Damp

Clips trade Maggette and Thomas
Receive Powe, Wright, and Stack

Dallas roster:

Kidd/Barea
Allen/Green/Foster
Marion/George/R. Terry
Dirk/Pops/Skinner
Diop/Blount

[JES12]

How about this?

Sign Diop for full MLE.

Then 4 way deal Dallas/Boston/Clips/Miami.

Dallas trades Howard, Terry, Bass, Wright, Damp, and Stack
Recieves Allen, Marion, Blount

Miami trades Marion and Blount
Recieves Howard, Bass, Thomas

Boston trades Allen and Powe
Receives Magette, Terry, Damp

Clips trade Maggette and Thomas
Receive Powe, Wright, and Stack

Dallas roster:

Kidd/Barea
Allen/Green/Foster
Marion/George/R. Terry
Dirk/Pops/Skinner
Diop/Blount

Are you freaking serious?

Boston rapes in this deal. Maggette, Terry, Damp >>>>>>> Allen and Powe

Miami Thomas ~ Blount. Howard ~ Marion. And they get Bass for free? Yuck!

Clippers do this as they get rid of Thomas and get Powe instead of letting Maggette wal away from nothing.

All teams advance at the expense of the Mavs

Dallas trades Howard, Terry, Bass, Wright, Damp, and Stack
Recieves Allen, Marion, Blount

Howard ~ Marion
Dampier > Blount by the same margin that Allen > Stack

No need to put Terry and Bass in this trade (don't care about Wright).

[Teffer10]

Howard = Marion...are you serious?

Try to see the big picture and the end result as a team and not analyze a player for player comparison.

Ray Allen and Marion with Dirk and Kidd would make us a serious contender.

That is the problem with the Mavs, they keep overvaluing their individual average players at the expense of failing to build a solid team around Dirk.

Ray Allen and Dirk would open the floor for Marion and Kidd. Diop will give us everything that Damp gives. Bass is a good talent but not that important to this particular team for obvious reasons.
The rest of the roster can be filled with vet mins and our youngsters.
We need crunch time players that fit with Dirk and Kidd (quality), not a roster full of one dimensional average joes (quantity).

[JES12]

You SERIOUSLY over-rate Allen!

And that trade "MAY" (and honestly, I really, really doubt it) make us good for one year if each of the starters can play 40+ minutes (cuz the backups suck like hell), but it all falls apart when Kidd signs for MLE someplace else next off season.

You are left with Dirk and no one who can create for themselves.

I'll take my hances 100 times over with Bass, Howard, Terry and Damp for 2+ years.

See that's the problem with problem with Mavs fans, they think the grass will always be greener with old, over-rated vets and want any trade (aheem, ANY F'N TRADE) to happen just because they can "shake things up." That's EXACTLY what happened in the Harris trade. You all thought we were going to win a championship because some, well over 30 player (like Marion and Alllen) is going to come in here and all of a sudden make us champions. In terms of a well known poster around here who supported the Harris-Kidd trade, your "birds-eye view" is killing the Mavs organization.

Well, a championship ain't happening as long you you are trading based off precieved reputation instead of real talent!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'd rather have Terry than the slow, can't get my feet off the ground, Ray Ray or the I can never create for myself Marion.

And yeas, Howard >> Marion one on one and with most PGs. However, as a team or system player, Marion >> Howard on teams with GREAT passing PGs like Kidd, Nash, Calderon, Paul. If Marion cannot be had for Howard and Filler (Stack..not Terry or Bass), the price tag is TOO HIGH and not worth the risk of having a sub-par PG the following year.

/rant

[Teffer10]

Allen is still one of the best shooters in the league and is far superior to Terry at SG.

I understand what you are trying to say and somewhat agree with your assessment of Howard vs. Marion.

However, we only have a 1 year window imo so the Mavs do need to shake things up a bit.
Right now we are in the 6-9 spot in the west, and if one of our young SGs come through that could possibly move up to as high as 4, but this team does not have the quality players to go all the way.

I clearly stated the Mav's FO screwed up in the offseason after the GSW series debacle by not making any moves and felt they were forced to make the trade for Kidd. I didn't like the deal but knew the Mavs weren't going anywhere with Harris either so it didn't really matter...the damage had already been done.
That is why I've been harping on every other post I make that the FO is screwing up our entire future by not rebuilding. If they sit on their hands again this offseason they have no chance. Since they are determined to win one with Dirk, they are again forced to make some desperate moves.
As a Mav's fan, I cannot bare to sit and watch this team erode. We are average at best with a very dim future ahead of us.

BTW - Marion is the same age as Dirk...barely 30.

[DDansby123]

The biggest problem this team had in the playoffs is also the biggest problem we have going into next season: Josh Howard. You can't rely so heavily on a guy who may or may not show up for any given series, game, or even half.

And that again goes back to the failure of the Mavs' FO two or three seasons ago, when we likely could've upgraded next to Dirk and didn't. Or even last offseason when we could've traded Harris for a further upgrade but opted to wait.

I like Josh and JET both, but if they're our #2 and #3 options, respectively, next season, we're going to be in for another disappointment.

[partnerfusion]

Hello Guys,

Just wondering if Mavs fans would find the following trade interesting:

Jazz Give:

Andrei Kirilenko
Jason Hart
Jarron Collins

Dallas Gives:

Jason Terry
Eric Dampier

[Sken]

My observation would be that Mavs fans would be more inclined if CJ Miles were part of the deal instead of Hart. Kirilenko for Dampier is not a bad downgrade on size but to move JET Dallas needs a starting SG.

[partnerfusion]

Most Jazz fans aren't excited to part with CJ just yet - but the Jazz have a logjam at the 2/3 spots so it will be interesting to see what happens.

[JD45]

Hello Guys,

Just wondering if Mavs fans would find the following trade interesting:

Jazz Give:

Andrei Kirilenko
Jason Hart
Jarron Collins

Dallas Gives:

Jason Terry
Eric Dampier

I like it. AK would thrive with Kidd.

[Rand10]

Hello Guys,

Just wondering if Mavs fans would find the following trade interesting:

Jazz Give:

Andrei Kirilenko
Jason Hart
Jarron Collins

Dallas Gives:

Jason Terry
Eric Dampier

I'd pass. That weakens us at center quite a bit, and while AK brings a lot to the table, he's not a consistent 3rd scoring option.

[JapanAir21]

I like that offer, but here's a counter-offer.

JET
Stackhouse
Dampier

AK47
Okur

[Teffer10]

The biggest problem this team had in the playoffs is also the biggest problem we have going into next season: Josh Howard. You can't rely so heavily on a guy who may or may not show up for any given series, game, or even half.

And that again goes back to the failure of the Mavs' FO two or three seasons ago, when we likely could've upgraded next to Dirk and didn't. Or even last offseason when we could've traded Harris for a further upgrade but opted to wait.

I like Josh and JET both, but if they're our #2 and #3 options, respectively, next season, we're going to be in for another disappointment.

Howard and Terry would be okay as 3 & 4 options but not 2 & 3. This team simply needs a solid everyday consistent #2 scorer. If we could get a guy like VC without giving up Howard I'd have some hope for next season.
If this team goes into the next season with Terry as our best SG and Howard as Dirk's best sidekick, we will have zero chance at getting past the first round of the POs (if we even make it).
I have a feeling Maverick fans are in for a very dismal decade.
We must shake this thing up and compromise quantity for quality in the process.

[JapanAir21]

Well, I'm optimistic that with a full training-camp with Josh+Kidd, hopefully they were have some kind of connection, as well as Diop/Damp with Kidd. If not, then we move on to the future without Kidd.

[JES12]

Hello Guys,

Just wondering if Mavs fans would find the following trade interesting:

Jazz Give:

Andrei Kirilenko
Jason Hart
Jarron Collins

Dallas Gives:

Jason Terry
Eric Dampier

Switch Terry to Stack (and remove Hart or Collins..whatever to make the salary match) and I'd do it.

Diop is just as goos as Damp defensivley and Dirk/Bass works offensivley.

That allows us to trade Howard for a 2 guard.

[JES12]

Getting back on topic, Diop back to Dallas is wonderful as it helps guarantee that Dampier will not avg 30 MPG in 09-10....thus his 10-11 salary will not be guaranteed!

[italy_23]

just as DDan said. if josh and jet are our #2 and 3 than we are in for serious trouble.

[italy_23]

Getting back on topic, Diop back to Dallas is wonderful as it helps guarantee that Dampier will not avg 30 MPG in 09-10....thus his 10-11 salary will not be guaranteed!

nice observation, Jes.
so thats one positive if the sign him for MLE

[1bennett4]

any news about diop?