Maggette will sign with Warriors

fo_o_fo_404 · Post #1 » by **fo_o_fo_404** » Wed Jul 9, 2008 1:42 am

According to ESPN....

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3479117

So expect the Clippers to make a push for Smoove.

Post #2 » by **HMFFL** » Wed Jul 9, 2008 1:53 am

fo_o_fo_404 wrote:According to ESPN....

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3479117

So expect the Clippers to make a push for Smoove.

I was never worried about Golden State. I am glad Mags signed with them over SA and Boston.

Post #3 » by **HMFFL** » Wed Jul 9, 2008 4:09 am

The GS board is saying the contract is 5 years 50 million. Baron signs for 65 million and GS gets Corey for 50 million...it must suck to be a GS fan right now.

evildallas · Post #4 » by **evildallas** » Wed Jul 9, 2008 4:24 am

Monta better be able to play PG.

delsol650 · Post #5 » by **delsol650** » Wed Jul 9, 2008 5:05 am

There's rumor that were trading for 1.

theres small wispers that Baron will reneg on his word and return to the dubs for the original offer they gave him before.

HoopsGuru25 · Post #6 » by **HoopsGuru25** » Wed Jul 9, 2008 6:12 am

It's a dumb move regardless of if you get a point guard. Infact it's dumber because that would move Ellis back to the 2 to even minimize Maggette's impact. Maggete is a strictly 1 on 1 player who doesn't bring anything on defense. Why would they give him $50 million when no one else was offering over the MLE? It's not like he fills a major weakness or is the missing piece of a championship team.

lunarblues · Post #7 » by **lunarblues** » Wed Jul 9, 2008 7:11 am

maggette was the best unrestricted free agent left on the market. you have to remember that if they went after a restricted free agent they would have to wait a max of seven days to see if they got him. maggette would have been gone by then. this is the reason why you don't renounce bird rights. you lose all of your leverage with a player and can end up losing everything. the clippers and warriors are screwed, but at least the warriors have youth and a style that can win them games. the clippers took a giant step back this offseason. i'd be looking at draftexpress.com if i was them.

HoopsGuru25 · Post #8 » by **HoopsGuru25** » Wed Jul 9, 2008 7:23 am

He was probably the best restricted free agent left but it's still a bad signing. Could they have gotten Ben Gordon for the same amount? Could they have traded Harrington for Hinrich? Could they have just went after Marion? Could they have gotten J.R. Smith(who could have turned into Jason Richardson under Nelson) for much less? Would it have made more sense to overpay Okafor and Smith given that they actually fill a weakness? There best option was probably to throw big money at Calderon who only signed for $8 million. They outbid everyone else by $20 million yet their weaknesses are exactly the same as they were before the signing.

Harry10 · Post #9 » by **Harry10** » Wed Jul 9, 2008 10:39 am

this signing just goes to show that the GSW are going to hand over the team to Monta and hope he can handle the PG spot..... which givin the situation Davis put them in, i don't blame them and would probably do the same thing.

evildallas · Post #10 » by **evildallas** » Wed Jul 9, 2008 12:45 pm

Harry10 wrote:this signing just goes to show that the GSW are going to hand over the team to Monta and hope he can handle the PG spot..... which givin the situation Davis put them in, i don't blame them and would probably do the same thing.

This was kind of my point. They have Stephen Jackson who was playing the 3, but he will probably slide to the 2 spot. Maggette comes in at the 3 spot. I'm sure they'd love Brandan Wright to get more minutes at PF (maybe not start though), although Harrington is still there for now. They intent to resign Biedrins to play C. If Ellis isn't going to be the PG, then they just spent a sizable portion of their cap room to acquire a guy to back up or supplant one of their top 2 returning players.

They might acquire a PG, but it will be to back up Monta, not to start. I'm kind of thinking they make an offer to Jason Williams around 3M per season to see if he wants to return to California to back up Monta. He would fit Don Nelson's system.

conleyorbust · Post #11 » by **conleyorbust** » Wed Jul 9, 2008 2:11 pm

evildallas wrote:
Harry10 wrote:this signing just goes to show that the GSW are going to hand over the team to Monta and hope he can handle the PG spot..... which givin the situation Davis put them in, i don't blame them and would probably do the same thing.

This was kind of my point. They have Stephen Jackson who was playing the 3, but he will probably slide to the 2 spot. Maggette comes in at the 3 spot. I'm sure they'd love Brandan Wright to get more minutes at PF (maybe not start though), although Harrington is still there for now. They intent to resign Biedrins to play C. If Ellis isn't going to be the PG, then they just spent a sizable portion of their cap room to acquire a guy to back up or supplant one of their top 2 returning players.

They might acquire a PG, but it will be to back up Monta, not to start. I'm kind of thinking they make an offer to Jason Williams around 3M per season to see if he wants to return to California to back up Monta. He would fit Don Nelson's system.

I would have held off on bidding against myself to pay Maggette 8 figures a year and gone after Iggy really hard. I know that Stefanski said he wouldn't overpay Iggy and he seems like a better fit in GS than Smith or Maggette because he allows Monte to play off the ball... I'm not sure what those cats in the Bay are doing.

Skyhawk1 · Post #12 » by **Skyhawk1** » Wed Jul 9, 2008 6:11 pm

It seems to me GS might have to wait another decade to see a playoff game in Oakland.

Rip2137 · Post #13 » by **Rip2137** » Wed Jul 9, 2008 8:10 pm

I need to repeat it again. there is no way you can do a worse job in the offseason than the Warriors did here.

Everyone keeps saying that "baron screwed them over" or something of that nature, but management screwed themselves over. They went from a playoff caliber team to a team that will be lucky to win 25 games. So they have, ONCE AGAIN, made it clear that they have NO CHOICE but to resign Monta Ellis. If you are his agent, you have to be smiling right now. Either Golden state is going to draw a line in the sand and say "No, we aren't paying you big money" or they are going to have to give him a HUGE contract.

If I am not confused, with him being a second round pick, they can't go over the cap to resign him, right? Between this and the offering Rony Turiaff a 4 year, 17 million dollar contract how much space do they have left?

Their Roster if they resign Ellis and Biedrens

Ronny turiaf(bench energy guy)
Biedrens(could be a special talent)
Stephen Jackson(slashing streak jumpshooter)
Corey Maggette (slashing streak jumpshooter who thinks he should be a starter and superstar)
Al Harrington(streak jumpshooter who sometimes like to play near the post)
Monta Ellis(slashing streak jumpshooter although a very good slasher...nothing near a point guard though)
Brandon Wright(could be special and should get to play this year, but who knows with Nellie Ball)
CJ Watson(heh)
Marco belinelli(could be good, but won't get PT with the other 500 SG's they have)
Anthony Randolf( Nellie don't play rookies)
Kosta Perovic (well...he's tall...)

That team won't win 25 games. Good job Golden State

They could have had Baron back, resign monta and biedriens and it probably would have cost them less money than that monstrosity of a team they have up there.

killbuckner · Post #14 » by **killbuckner** » Wed Jul 9, 2008 8:27 pm

They can exceed the cap to sign both Biedrins and Ellis.

I'd easily rather have Maggette starting at around 7 million per year than Baron on a 65 million dollar contract. If I am the clippers I am telling my doctors to find ANYTHING wrong with Baron to make him fail that physical so they can get out of that contract.

HoopsGuru25 · Post #15 » by **HoopsGuru25** » Wed Jul 9, 2008 8:35 pm

They are going to win alot more than 25 games but you are right...signing Maggette and Turiaf if they plan on bringing Ellis/Biedrins back does absolutely nothing to help their team. Maggette isn't bad but they overpaid the rest of the market by $20 million and Turiaf will just block the minutes of their last two lottery picks. I'm just pretty shocked that they didn't go after Calderon. Did Jose just NOT want a big contract or what? They traded TJ Ford which left him as the only pg on the roster and he signed for well under market value.

Rip2137 · Post #16 » by **Rip2137** » Wed Jul 9, 2008 9:00 pm

killbuckner wrote:They can exceed the cap to sign both Biedrins and Ellis.

I'd easily rather have Maggette starting at around 7 million per year than Baron on a 65 million dollar contract. If I am the clippers I am telling my doctors to find ANYTHING wrong with Baron to make him fail that physical so they can get out of that contract.

Um...now WHY in gods name would you say that about Baron over Maggette. Baron is a better player and you DEFINATELY can't take the injury prone route on this one because...well...its Corey Maggette. You want to talk about Barons injury woes, Corey has NEVER played a full season. And the only time his team has made the playoffs was when he only played 32 games. Plus Baron Davis fills a need. maggette clogs up a already crowded position.

And if they can exceed the cap to resign Ellis, why couldn't they do it with Arenas. I remember clearly that being the reason that he left, because they couldn't offer more than the MLE. (edit - Nevermind. I see that it was because Gil was only with the team for 2 years instead of 3)

Hoops, I honestly don't see how that team could win 30 games honestly. Especially not in the West. Outside of beating up on the Wolves, Clippers, Grizzlies, and Sonics, I don't see them consistantly beating anyone. 4 of those guys are basically useless with a question mark being on Brandon Wright.

killbuckner · Post #17 » by **killbuckner** » Wed Jul 9, 2008 9:16 pm

I think that Maggette is going to be a useful player for the next 5 years even if he doesn't play all 82 games. I think that Baron is going to age terribly and be a massive albatross contract as soon as next season. Baron is just one of the most overrated players in the game- people focus on when he is healthy but he is ALWAYS banged up. I just think the clippers are going to be stuck with Baron and hoping he retires so he comes off their cap soon- better to not sign those players.

HoopsGuru25 · Post #18 » by **HoopsGuru25** » Wed Jul 9, 2008 9:18 pm

I think he's saying that because of the position the Clippers are in...the Clippers would have never even considered giving Baron FIVE guaranteed years if Brand didn't give them some kind of indication that he wanted to play with him. I agree that Baron is the better player and that I'd pay him 3 million more per than Maggette but the Clippers are really screwed right now. They have no chance of contending in the next 2 years and Baron(which is just about all he has left as a premier player at best IMO) is scheduled to be on their cap when Lebron/Melo/Wade are unrestricted free agents. Remember...it wasn't too long ago that Baron was injured on a crap team and had no value around the league. He's had one healthy year since 2002 which coincidently came in a contract year. His value is going to go WAY down once he gets injured this year and teams are going to be very hesitant to even trade an expiring for Baron in the 1st year of a 5 year deal.

JoshB914 · Post #19 » by **JoshB914** » Wed Jul 9, 2008 9:45 pm

I actually agree with Rip for a change on this one.

Everyone talks about how this offseason has been about the Clips messing up with Brand. But for me, this offseason so far has been totally about the downfall of the Warriors. They were on top of the NBA World a year ago, now they are heading into the season with one great player in Monta Ellis.

If they had just been patient with their cap space, they could have paired Monta with someone legitimate at some point and really contended. Instead they went into a panic after Baron bolted and threw a TON of cash at a guy who can score and do nothing else.

They better hope B Wright turns into a legit scoring option, or it could be another long decade there.

Rip2137 · Post #20 » by **Rip2137** » Wed Jul 9, 2008 9:45 pm

Baron has been uping his games played over the last few years mostly because he plays differently. he came in the league as a Dwayne wade type that always went to the hole and always ended up on the ground after a play. A few years ago, he started staying close to the ground, using his body to clear space and doesn't take nearly as many hits as he used to. these are the reasons I think he will be fine. Corey on the other hand plays the same and has never played a full year. I don't see how you can be so down on Baron when he is hurt but say Corey at 50 mill is a better signing.

I guess I see what you are saying, but the point is, Baron has multiple teams that he has carried to and in the playoffs. Corey is a career long loser that complains about not starting and not being the focal point of the offense. He is a good sixth man and thats it. He thinks he is a great starter. Plus he duplicates everything Stephen Jackson does, without the passion. He is utterly useless on this team. And them bidding against themselves made it even worse. "So, Corey...no one can pay you more than the MLE huh? Well, how about we give you double that."

And it still needs to be remembered, Baron was looking for a 4 year deal. They were only willing to give a 2 year. So once again, this is all over 2 freakin years on a contract. But then offer two other injured players the money to sign long term deals....just makes no sense.