How good will the Sixers be now with Elton Brand?

schneiderjazz · Post #41 » by **schneiderjazz** » Wed Jul 9, 2008 6:10 pm

Sixers were playing really well at the end of last season. I'd say they win about 50 games and finish with the 4th best record in the East. BTW, Korver would be a great fit with them right now.

halfHAVOC · Post #42 » by **halfHAVOC** » Wed Jul 9, 2008 6:28 pm

JordansBulls wrote:How good will the Sixers be now with Elton Brand?

Potential Lineup
PG Miller
SG Iggy
SF Green/Young
PF Brand
C Dalembert

How many games do they win? Are they good enough to take Detroit or Cleveland or Orlando now?

lol

first off if green was in the starting lineup, iggy would be at SF.

Post #43 » by **GeorgeMarcus** » Wed Jul 9, 2008 6:30 pm

GuyverX wrote:Hey, here's a secret to the east...just go into a zone. Brand will get bothered by double-teams (especially against long defenders as he's only 6'8) and dare Dre 'Below the rim' Miller to shoot jumpers.

I don't think I'm the most impartial person here but If you ask me, Philly is only a few playoff seeds better than they were before. I don't think they're even close to the top 3.

Haha...you said a few playoff spots better than last year (last year they were seventh) and moving up a few spots would leave them at least at 4. And yet you say not even close to the top 3? But that is aside from the point that the Sixers can contend with anyone this year. FINALLY acquiring a primary scorer, the offense will flow much easier than last years. And even with a team full of role players last year they earned the 7th seed in the playoffs and gave the Pistons a run for their money. I'd like to see them start Young over Green this year (which I think they would be stupid if they didn't) and surprise the NBA with a solid 52 wins (also earning them the 2nd seed in a slightly weak Eastern Conference.)

Watch out Boston...

BROWN · Post #44 » by **BROWN** » Wed Jul 9, 2008 6:42 pm

IMO Brand gives them the perfect inside presense, so that way thad young and iggy have more space to destroy...
they'll be great... and he's a great defender, alongside Dalembert there gonna be a force to be reckon'd with.

The Boshpit! · Post #45 » by **The Boshpit!** » Wed Jul 9, 2008 6:43 pm

The way i see it

Boston
Detroit
Orlando/Cleveland/Toronto/Philly
who cares
who cares

Any one of those 4 teams have a shot at th 3rd seed if they can stay healthy. The favorits at th moment are probably Orlando but Philly does have a very talented team. I can see them taking the 5th seed at the moment. Should be an interesting season and playoffs.

NCHeels2008 · Post #46 » by **NCHeels2008** » Wed Jul 9, 2008 7:35 pm

Philly is awesome

JD76ers · Post #47 » by **JD76ers** » Wed Jul 9, 2008 7:42 pm

top 3 in east but the need now is to find a shooter

O.Z.123 · Post #48 » by **O.Z.123** » Wed Jul 9, 2008 7:45 pm

they are going to be very good. they can't shoot but so f'ing what if u can't get the rebound from them? if their defense and rebounding is their focal point and they maximize it by seasons end, they can be VERY '04 Detroit Piston like when it comes to physical, downright ugly basketball. Very ugly, low scoring (relative to season averages) games against current upper echelon teams like cleveland boston and detroit. i don't think they'd beat boston, but they'd be right there hanging with det/cle

it wouldn't matter against worse teams like orlando, toronto, etc because philly's defense and rebounding would lead to easy points on the break with both andres running.. and its not like those are mentally strong / tough defensive teams as currently constructed... though for orlando its always a case of when the light switch for dwight finally switches on (mentally/skill wise) and he hulks out on the offensive end.. he'll be the lebron james of big men when that finally/inevitably happens

halfHAVOC · Post #49 » by **halfHAVOC** » Wed Jul 9, 2008 8:13 pm

whos gonna start willie green or thad young? since iggy can run at SG or SF

Post #50 » by **kingofthecourt67** » Wed Jul 9, 2008 8:22 pm

Edit: The Sixers are quite high on Thad Young and I'd expect him to start.

blizzard · Post #51 » by **blizzard** » Wed Jul 9, 2008 8:39 pm

9th on the east, and Brand will play 25 games max.

NCHeels2008 · Post #52 » by **NCHeels2008** » Wed Jul 9, 2008 8:56 pm

Cavs won the east with just defense and rebounding, yes they had LBJ; but Philly has a competent low post threat and light years better fast break than Cleveland.

Post #53 » by **GeorgeMarcus** » Wed Jul 9, 2008 11:07 pm

blizzard are you serious? they made the playoffs easily without him, I don't see how he could make them worse...

Post #54 » by **dockingsched** » Wed Jul 9, 2008 11:15 pm

they'll be a much tougher first round exit.

princeofpalace · Post #55 » by **princeofpalace** » Wed Jul 9, 2008 11:16 pm

^
Cavs won the East because they have a top 2 player in the league + elite level defense and had some hot shooting by Gibson. I dont see how Cavs winning the East proves that Phili can get anything done. For one, they dont have a player as great as Lebron on the team and lets be honest with Brons amazing performances Cavs would be nowhere + their defense isnt as good as the Cavs was and they dont have anything remotely close to a shooter.

Yeah- Sixers added Brand but how does that make them contenders? Their roster isnt even that impressive on paper. Miller is average, AI isnt even an all-star caliber SG/SF, Thad Young is not a starting SF on a championship contender (cant think of a starting SF worse than him), and Dalembert is certainly not anything to brag about. All adding Brand does is take 6ers from being a bad team to a slightly above average one.

They are not in the same tier as Boston, Detroit, Cleveland or Orlando and I can definately see them being worse than Miami (Wade, Beasley, Marion) and Atlanta (Bibby is better than Miller, Joe Johnson is a lot better than AI, Marvin Williams & Childress are both better than Thad Young, Smith is only slightly worse than Brand and Horford is much better than Dalembert). Both of those teams rosters are more impressive than the 6ers yet and they are being slept on especially since sixer fans seem to be using the really terrible 'we took Detroit to 6 games" argument to justify thier future dominance. Guess what ATL took the champs to 7 and they have a much stronger roster and bench than the 6ers do.

I do think that the East will be stronger this year as long as everyone remains healthy but I think its ridiculous to prounounce the 6ers as a championship contender and 2nd best team in the East when they dont even have a better roster than Boston, Detroit, Cleveland, Orlando, Washington, Miami or Atlanta.

Post #56 » by **pillwenney** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:19 am

I don't think just adding a shooter will cut it if they want to really make some noise and at least have more than a decent shot at the 2nd round. Having a guy like a Matt Carrol off the bench won't change the fact that their current starting 5 is pretty easily guardable in a playoff-type scenario. They have no real 3 point threat at all right now, and you should really have two in your main lineup.

The good news is that they still have time to add key components like this and will pretty a good team on the level of Orlando and Cleveland right now.

ilikecb4 · Post #57 » by **ilikecb4** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:25 am

Well i think Sixers are definetly a playoff team in the East with Elton Brand.
They're young, versatile, now have low post scoring and low post defence.
They're top 5 team in the East, improving east.

As of today my guess is

1. Boston
2. Orlando
3. Philadelphia
4. Toronto
5. Detroit
6. Clevlend
7. Washington
8. Miami /Chicago

Sorry Milwaukee

I think Andrew Bogut is not worth the money, Richard Jefferson likes to score that's about it, Charlie V is a lazy scorer...dont think that team will be very good

ShowtimeFan · Post #58 » by **ShowtimeFan** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:26 am

NO NO NO NO

No better than 4th in the East

No way they make it to the Finals

No way they get by Boston or Detroit

No Rings for the Traitor...

Post #59 » by **kingofthecourt67** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:32 am

princeofpalace wrote:^
Cavs won the East because they have a top 2 player in the league + elite level defense and had some hot shooting by Gibson. I dont see how Cavs winning the East proves that Phili can get anything done. For one, they dont have a player as great as Lebron on the team and lets be honest with Brons amazing performances Cavs would be nowhere + their defense isnt as good as the Cavs was and they dont have anything remotely close to a shooter.

Yeah- Sixers added Brand but how does that make them contenders? Their roster isnt even that impressive on paper. Miller is average, AI isnt even an all-star caliber SG/SF, Thad Young is not a starting SF on a championship contender (cant think of a starting SF worse than him), and Dalembert is certainly not anything to brag about. All adding Brand does is take 6ers from being a bad team to a slightly above average one.

They are not in the same tier as Boston, Detroit, Cleveland or Orlando and I can definately see them being worse than Miami (Wade, Beasley, Marion) and Atlanta (Bibby is better than Miller, Joe Johnson is a lot better than AI, Marvin Williams & Childress are both better than Thad Young, Smith is only slightly worse than Brand and Horford is much better than Dalembert). Both of those teams rosters are more impressive than the 6ers yet and they are being slept on especially since sixer fans seem to be using the really terrible 'we took Detroit to 6 games" argument to justify thier future dominance. Guess what ATL took the champs to 7 and they have a much stronger roster and bench than the 6ers do.

I do think that the East will be stronger this year as long as everyone remains healthy but I think its ridiculous to prounounce the 6ers as a championship contender and 2nd best team in the East when they dont even have a better roster than Boston, Detroit, Cleveland, Orlando, Washington, Miami or Atlanta.

Missing some green font? I highly doubt you have watched any sixer basketball. Probably missed the first round of the playoffs. If anything, Miller was much more impressive than Billups. When we won, Dalembert was dominant. And you must be basing your arguments by browsing yahoo as you stated "on paper" AND even then your analysis is clearly wrong. You are clearly underestimating the Sixer players.

And since you claim that the "sixers took the pistons to 6" is a terrible argument, than let me point out that if it takes 2 losses for the Pistons to "wake up," then your team has some serious flaws. It's funny how you can't accept that the Sixers won 2 games by simply outplaying the Pistons. Thats all there is too it. Please don't bring up motivation. ITS THE PLAYOFFS, if you don't try in there, what can possibly getting motivated.

noypi · Post #60 » by **noypi** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:35 am

What if they get AI back?