Article: $10 Million For Five Players?

[maginno]

A) If the journos are using the forums as basis to "gauge fan attittudes", it's hardly scientific or accurate.

of course its accurate. Its accurate about that person's opinion. People's quotes are not "scientific". they are people's opinions after all. Its really not worth debating . if you read and watch news enough you hear consistant reference to online activities. News programs pull quotes right off the internet on their own sites. It whats done whether you are aware of it or not.

Again we overpaid for Rashard and we the highest number of arena sell-outs this past season. From ownership's viewpoint, do you think that complaining about the amount will trump the cash in hand?

And you think that the reason they come to the arena is because we overpaid for Rashard? Most people admit we overpaid. Its not the reason they come to the Arena. So unless your owners are insane they dont think along those lines

Don't you think that arena attendance and merchandising is a better judge of fan attitudes?

Of course not. DO people still buy season tickets in NY who hated what the organization was doing? OF course they did. Winning gets people to buy tickets and the casual fan who just started buying tickets only cares about that for the short term. Longer term fans lik ein NY will continue to watch games even when they hate what is happening and the team is losing. Sports 101 in the good old USA. Besides businesses like the NBA arent measured by a year or two as you are doing. Teams that win championships make far more money because the develop longer term season ticket holders and more excitement (all things being equal since the market they are in is also a heavy consideration)

anyway its been mildly interesting as a side topic but we can take it up in another thread since it has little to do with this thread. if your main point is that people should stop posting what you consider complaining - its a pointless exercise but you can continue trying.

[mhectorgato]

A) If the journos are using the forums as basis to "gauge fan attittudes", it's hardly scientific or accurate.

of course its accurate. Its accurate about that person's opinion. People's quotes are not "scientific". they are people's opinions after all. Its really not worth debating . if you read and watch news enough you hear consistant reference to online activities. News programs pull quotes right off the internet on their own sites. It whats done whether you are aware of it or not.

It may represent a cross-section of the fan base, but it hardly represents the fan base's feeling on a matter.

You have 10 people shouting and screaming on a forum negatively about an issue (let's use Ra$hard'$ contract). You have also have 10 people fighting positively.

Does that mean the entire fan base is split 50/50 on the subject?

Again we overpaid for Rashard and we the highest number of arena sell-outs this past season. From ownership's viewpoint, do you think that complaining about the amount will trump the cash in hand?

And you think that the reason they come to the arena is because we overpaid for Rashard? Most people admit we overpaid. Its not the reason they come to the Arena. So unless your owners are insane they dont think along those lines

No they come regardless of the contract issue is the point.

Don't you think that arena attendance and merchandising is a better judge of fan attitudes?

Of course not. DO people still buy season tickets in NY who hated what the organization was doing? OF course they did.

What has the people complaining - and they have a whole lot more reason to complain than we do - done for that organization?

People were complaining for years about Isaiah - did that speed up the ouster of Zeke?

Winning gets people to buy tickets and the casual fan who just started buying tickets only cares about that for the short term.

That's the point - most fans don't care if Rashard is paid LLE, MLE or MAX. They care about winning.

Longer term fans lik ein NY will continue to watch games even when they hate what is happening and the team is losing. Sports 101 in the good old USA. Besides businesses like the NBA arent measured by a year or two as you are doing. Teams that win championships make far more money because the develop longer term season ticket holders and more excitement (all things being equal since the market they are in is also a heavy consideration)

anyway its been mildly interesting as a side topic but we can take it up in another thread since it has little to do with this thread. if your main point is that people should stop posting what you consider complaining - its a pointless exercise but you can continue trying.

I'm not measuring any success - I'm saying that people endlessly complaining on an internet forum have little to no effect on management's practices.

[maginno]

Of course people complaining about Zeke had an impact. Only thing I need to know is what was better for the organization long term. Those who loved and supported Zeke or those who didn't and let it known they didn't. Thats obvious. The "complainers" had a far better impact than the fanboys. SInce I have been on here I have had peope say they see my point. The education process goes on even if there are a few who refuse to learn. every year the magic bow out the numbers will increase. Inevitably the mission is accomplished.

as for your point that it does little to change management policies - sure in small numbers but it will grow. People made the same argument for Bhill. He is the coach, management loves him , we are stuck with him. It won't change.

Besides you are being hypocritical in your argument. You've argued for and against things here and managment doesn't even know your name so why not remove yourself from the forums all together? Lets just cut to the chase in this back and forth - Two things are certain - you won't change my mind or my posting habits and I don't care if I do or don't change yours. We're set.

and yes -fans care about winning. They get bored with winning and then losing. Next year there will be no euphoria over a second round exit again. then they'll wonder why their team doesn't change and figure out why it can't make the moves necessary to win it all. The games up then.

[Magic.City.23.]

. I NEVER said Jameer was some highly coveted PG......

Ummm - page 7. You wrote

Lol, you mean it's not worth answering becuase it is a baseless statement and you cant back it up. Half the teams in the league would take Nelson over their current starting PG

half the teams wanting him over their starting PG would make him a highly coveted PG. My reading comprehension is fine maybe you need to check your writing comprehension

Wow, what is your problem?!?!

Initially, I basically said that, if given a "choice", there are several teams out there who would likely willingly take Jameer over their current starter because he is a better PG and better player. That doesn't mean that they're actually out trying to acquire him tho, it just means that he would be an upgrade at the position. Den would most likely take Jameer over Atkins, NY would take him over Nate/Collins, Mia... over JWill/ Chris Quinn, Por... over Jack/Blake, etc....but that doesn't mean that those teams are all specifically trying to acquire Jameer.... It just means that Jameer is better than those given PG's....

Look at it like this......Tony Parker, Steve Nash, Deron Williams, CP3 are all better than Jameer....We would take any of them over Jameer if given the choice because they are better PG's, but that doesn't mean that we are actually actively out there trying to acquire them.......It's just a statement that we would "prefer" or "take" them over Jameer if we had to choose one or the other. It is a simple concept and Rccanes got this concept pretty easily, but you are still twisting words around to make it seem like "preferring a certain player over another", or "another player being better than the other" is the same thing as, "teams actively trying to go out and acquire that player over the other", which is just far too complex for what i said.....TJ Ford has had more trade inquiries than Chris Paul.......I guess he is more coveted than Chris Paul around the league with your logic.......

[mhectorgato]

Of course people complaining about Zeke had an impact. Only thing I need to know is what was better for the organization long term. Those who loved and supported Zeke or those who didn't and let it known they didn't. Thats obvious. The "complainers" had a far better impact than the fanboys. SInce I have been on here I have had peope say they see my point. The education process goes on even if there are a few who refuse to learn. every year the magic bow out the numbers will increase. Inevitably the mission is accomplished.

People have seen my point as well.

So what does that prove?

Again, what does that do to affect management in any appreciable manner?

[lovehoops01]

as for your point that it does little to change management policies - sure in small numbers but it will grow. People made the same argument for Bhill. He is the coach, management loves him , we are stuck with him. It won't change.

For what it's worth, I don't think the fan complaints are what did him in.

I think he upset some people within the organization, and that resulted in his ouster.

If WE thought he was intractable as a coach, imagine what he must have been like to deal with daily by the people within the franchise regarding issues on and off the basketball court.

[maginno]

My response to Gato and Hoops?


Bleh. asked and answered

I'm officially bored.