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Poll: Do the Hawks need to do more than re-sign free agents?

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Should the Hawks be satisfied with merely resigning their free agents?

Yes, we were competitive against the NBA champs and we need to focus on keeping our team together and allowing young players to develop.
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13%
No, it is not enough to remain stagnant. We need to improve in order to remain in the playoffs and become more competitive for a title. Any player except our core of Smoove, JJ, and Hortford should be used in a trade if it improves our team.
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53%
No, we need to do some minor work, maybe trading a bench player or two to get a key player, such as a better big man off the bench, but not much else until at least next season.
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33%
 
Total votes: 15

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Post#21 » by saloonyk8 » Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:19 am

My realistic/hopeful scenario is that we resign both Smith and Childress. Smith for like $12M per and Childress for $6M or so. I'm not going to guess what happens with Speedy.

But I think after that we hang onto our gem trade combo of Bibby/Marvin. Last year that would have netted us Pau Gasol easily. Some big name is going to be available during the season and we should be in prime position with those two to do something special.

Just think about potential firesale teams: Clippers, Nuggets, Chicago (not firesale but they are going to trade someone for sure), NY, Sacramento.

I think names like Kaman, Baron Davis, Melo, AI, Camby, Hinrich, Gordon, Crawford, Lee, Brad Miller or Artest may all be available. I know they aren't all great fits but I'm pretty sure they can all be had for a Bibby/Marvin deal.

Think how sweet it would be to add one of those guys while keeping JJ, Smith, Horford, and Childress
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Post#22 » by D21 » Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:45 am

HMFFL wrote:
MikeRice wrote:someone mentioned a marvin for mike miller trade a few weeks ago... I think that trade would work out nicely for both teams


The ASG would need to be willing to take on roughly 3.5 million more and I don't see them doing that.


Right, but if you add the fact that Bibby's paycut (if he stays after next season) will certainly be higher than 3.5M, there's a chance on it.

Actually, I was also thinking about trading Marvin for Mike Miller before reading your post, but it gives me felling that if we trade for veteran, we won't have this athleticism and speed to help anymore, especially against team like BOS.

There's is two directions:
- only making little moves (a backup C but being a 7 footer blocking C, a shooting SF...) to keep our running core and use the new players to help on specific moment, and continue to improve.
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- trading some young core players for starting veterans and hope it works you get a "win now" team.

If we could get Mike Miller for Marvin, and if Smith want max but ASG don't, I would be looking for a sign-&-trade to get Brand Miller + filler or something like that.

A starting lineup of Mike Bibby/Joe Johnson/Mike Miller/Al Horford/Brad Miller would be a really good one. At least, some won't go crazy to see Marvin not going behind the arc with Smith waiting there ;)

I would not have say this kind of thing some months ago, but now, I don't see any sort of hope for a great "compatibility" between Smith/Marvin/Childress, and I think that Childress is not the one to move. Lots of people his ready to let him walk, but it won't fix the problem we have on Marvin and Smith, while Childress will be the missing piece for a team S.A. build on better players than what we have, and for less money. That's for this reason I am not for matching a max offer for Smith, and instead of letting him walk for nothing, better do a sign-&-trade (even if walking for nothing could lead us to a big cap room next year, but that would be more of a rebuilding mode).

Now, if Childress want to stay for 6M, and Smith for 12M, OK, then sign a guy for the MLE this year or some little help this year then a MLE guy next year (there won't be any problem as Bibby could cost 5M less, and Speedy could be off).
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Post#23 » by killbuckner » Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:51 am

Saloonyk8- you are grossly overestimating what Marvin and Bibby are worth
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Post#24 » by Rod700 » Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:56 pm

evildallas wrote:#1 Starting SF needs to stretch the floor. This can either be Marvin developing range on his shot or going in a different direction. You either get a low post threat that opens up the perimeter shooters or you get perimeter shooters who can open up room for your low post people. Al and Josh Smith will be much more effective on the block if we had another legitimate 3 point threat in the main lineup.
#2 A Defensive shot blocking C to back up Al/Josh. One of the biggest reasons we can't lose Josh Smith is his defense. When he's not in the paint, we don't have a realistic deterrent to penetration. A player like Diop or Pryzbilla might be overpaid, but they greatly enhance team defense the 15-20 minutes they are on the floor. A 7 footer would be preferable, but guys like Maxiell and Sean Williams do a good job on protecting the paint as well. Solomon might be able to provide this if he could stay on the floor without racking up rapid fouls.
#3 Bulk off the bench. Al needs to get stronger in the starting lineup and I believe he will. Behind him we have only Zaza who isn't quite as bulky as necessary. We are committing to a pair of lean athletic starting forwards and that's fine, but we need a change of pace for certain matchups like the Celtics have Leon Powe and Big Baby for example. Garnett is the starting PF, but they are able to throw some bulking guys in for minutes to wear an opponent down. We currently don't have adequate counter.
#4 Overall we need viable depth at multiple positions to alleviate the coaching trap we always fall into. By using Josh Childress as a multiple position primary sub, we alter our play like someone is holding up cue cards for Woodson. We need to have more imagination with our depth so that we don't have situations where we have Josh Smith standing at the 3 point line (possibly chucking bad shots) so that Josh Childress can take his man down low for the rebounding edge. That strategy hurts more than it helps and will continue to do so until Josh Smith develops a dead-eye jumper. Use actual backups at each position and don't switch players just because you can.


I don't know if Marv can just develop a three point shot out of no where, I would rather trade for a guy who is a 3pt proven shooter and solid defender. Pretty soon, Marv will be too old for us to play the "potential" card and include him as a key piece in getting a star. Concerning the big men, I believe Hortford will be a low post banger and will supply us with that offensive threat. After getting that fifth starter I just spoke of, I would focus on a 7 foot shot blocker to back up our starters. I like Diop and Pryzbilla as well.
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Post#25 » by Rod700 » Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:07 pm

saloonyk8 wrote:My realistic/hopeful scenario is that we resign both Smith and Childress. Smith for like $12M per and Childress for $6M or so. I'm not going to guess what happens with Speedy.

But I think after that we hang onto our gem trade combo of Bibby/Marvin. Last year that would have netted us Pau Gasol easily. Some big name is going to be available during the season and we should be in prime position with those two to do something special.

Just think about potential firesale teams: Clippers, Nuggets, Chicago (not firesale but they are going to trade someone for sure), NY, Sacramento.

I think names like Kaman, Baron Davis, Melo, AI, Camby, Hinrich, Gordon, Crawford, Lee, Brad Miller or Artest may all be available. I know they aren't all great fits but I'm pretty sure they can all be had for a Bibby/Marvin deal.

Think how sweet it would be to add one of those guys while keeping JJ, Smith, Horford, and Childress


I agree with Killbuckner that some of those may be a little out of reach for Bibby and Marv, but Zaza is an expiring, and we can always trade a draft pick. With those 4 pieces we can put together multiple attractive packages. Kaman, Hinrich, Gordon, Lee, Artest are all names I would look into furhter. I don't think Melo or Davis are moving, Camby and Miller are getting a little older and wouldn't be around long enough for our team to fully develop while they are still able to play a key role, and Crawford's FG% has always been a big concern for me. The 4 trade pieces I listed though do have the trade value we need to build the team around our big 3 (JJ, Smoove, Hortford), but not necessarily with a bunch of big names like Baron Davis and Melo.
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Re: Poll: Do the Hawks need to do more than re-sign free agents? 

Post#26 » by MikeRice » Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:45 am

do we have any interest in signing JJ Redick? I know he hasn't blown any body away but with so many shooting guards in Orlando he would probably come pretty cheap and he still shoots almost 40% from deep... opinions?
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Post#27 » by evildallas » Fri Jul 11, 2008 2:17 am

Redick is still under contract, so we would have to trade for him. And while I'm a Duke fan he just isn't worth it. He isn't that strong defensively and we don't have the interior D or system to hide him. Also we don't run one of the offenses necessary to get the most of out him offensively. JJ would thrive in a system with a dominate low post threat that always commands a double team or as a backup for Rip Hamilton running throw constant screens and pressuring the D by relentlessly trying to get open. If he is just standing around waiting to get and shoot the ball he becomes too easy to guard.

Strangely he should have worked out well in Orlando given the presence of Dwight Howard on the block and Rashard Lewis on the perimeter drawing attention. However, if you can't get out of the coach's doghouse you never get to prove yourself.
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Post#28 » by Rod700 » Fri Jul 11, 2008 1:51 pm

evildallas wrote: we don't run one of the offenses necessary to get the most of out him offensively. JJ would thrive in a system with a dominate low post threat that always commands a double team or as a backup for Rip Hamilton running throw constant screens and pressuring the D by relentlessly trying to get open. If he is just standing around waiting to get and shoot the ball he becomes too easy to guard.


I was actually interested in him as a project player if we didn't make a bigger move, but you convinced me otherwise. Good incite.
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