elton brand, carlos boozer, and disloyalty

[enigmatics]

According to reports.... Brand got F'ed up by Clippers... that is why he left.

How did the Clippers' F'ed up, you say? They used Brand's money to sign Eric Gordon. There was no reason to. They just needed to wait until both Baron and Brand to sign first. Gordon can still his money. Since Clippers' FO screwed this up, they were not willing to paid what was agreed on. That was when Philly can into the picture and got him.

As for Boozer, he was the one that wanted out of the 3rd year option. And promised to sign the MLE. Just that Paxson is an idiot to believe him. Paxson did not say anything because Cleveland would have been punished if he did. And at least Paxson was not that STUPID... hehehe.

Huh? Gordon's salary is practically predetermined by his draft slot. It wouldn't have mattered whether they signed him before or after Brand.

[dockingsched]

yeah, eric gordon has a caphold as soon as he's drafted. that was a pretty misinformed post. signing him now barely changed the number by a few hundred thousand.

[SabasRevenge!]

sixers>>>clippers. nuff said

Good for Elton. I would have done the same thing, who wouldn't? Better chance to win + more money + more promising young team + Eastern Conference + Notable Franchise = Easy decision.

[Roxflynorth]

This thread is ridiculous. We all know the situations and difference between Boozer and Brand. Boozer is RFA and Brand is UFA. Boozer cried out loud and told Cleveland did not pick up his options and he promised he would re-sign in return. Think about it, if there wasn't nothing under the table, Cleveland would not give up their bird right. Brand is different story, he said "his intention is on re-signing on Clippers" but he also added he wanted to see how Clippers upgraded the roster first before he made the decision. I won't blame Brand change his intention because he is UFA and we all know he has the right and we all know he played 7 years in LA.

If you ask any Cleveland fans, they will not compare Boozer to Brand, in any ways.

[PimpHandStrong]

This thread is ridiculous. We all know the situations and difference between Boozer and Brand. Boozer is RFA and Brand is UFA. Boozer cried out loud and told Cleveland did not pick up his options and he promised he would re-sign in return. Think about it, if there wasn't nothing under the table, Cleveland would not give up their bird right. Brand is different story, he said "his intention is on re-signing on Clippers" but he also added he wanted to see how Clippers upgraded the roster first before he made the decision. I won't blame Brand change his intention because he is UFA and we all know he has the right and we all know he played 7 years in LA.

If you ask any Cleveland fans, they will not compare Boozer to Brand, in any ways.

He cried? What?

The Cavs let him out of his contract because they thought they could lock him up longterm at a salary way below his market value. If he had played his last year out in Cleveland and then hit the free agent market, he would have made much more money than the Cavs were offering the offseason before. Why are people so sympathetic to the slimy Cavs management? They tried to work out an illegal deal and lowball their second best player. How should he respond? Booze was also labeled an average role player by his head coach. How should he respond?

Carlos owed the coaching staff, management, and ownership of the Cavs nothing. He repaid their disoyalty with disloyalty. Karma is a bitch.

[Supermann98]

You forgot to add Baron Davis' name in there. From what I remember he already had a deal in place with the Clips while still under contract with GS.

[dockingsched]

warriors were not willing to offer davis the contract he got from the clips. that really isn't anything worth talking about as far as disloyalty goes. i mean, for the warriors to turn around and offer magz a 5 yr deal for 50mil shows just how "badly" the warriors wanted to keep davis.

[Frosty]

He cried? What?

The Cavs let him out of his contract because they thought they could lock him up longterm at a salary way below his market value. If he had played his last year out in Cleveland and then hit the free agent market, he would have made much more money than the Cavs were offering the offseason before. Why are people so sympathetic to the slimy Cavs management? They tried to work out an illegal deal and lowball their second best player. How should he respond? Booze was also labeled an average role player by his head coach. How should he respond?

Carlos owed the coaching staff, management, and ownership of the Cavs nothing. He repaid their disoyalty with disloyalty. Karma is a bitch.

Clev could have had him for about 700k but gave him a chance at early money. If they used the option he would have been restricted and Clev could have just matched.

When your agency leaves you over it and leaves their money on the table you have to be slime.

[Philly_King]

It makes no difference if Brand had/hadn't told the Clips he would re-sign because it was up to him to opt out or not. If he did and that made them sign Baron then "oh noes they got a good PG for once, what are they going to do?" Now, if he told them he would re-sign if they exercised the team opt out clause early, then that would be disloyal(ala Boozer). Brand never said 'my intention is to stay regardless of the offer'. If anything, the Clips benefited by getting Davis cheaper because he may have thought he was playing with Brand so he accepted less money.

[PimpHandStrong]

He cried? What?

The Cavs let him out of his contract because they thought they could lock him up longterm at a salary way below his market value. If he had played his last year out in Cleveland and then hit the free agent market, he would have made much more money than the Cavs were offering the offseason before. Why are people so sympathetic to the slimy Cavs management? They tried to work out an illegal deal and lowball their second best player. How should he respond? Booze was also labeled an average role player by his head coach. How should he respond?

Carlos owed the coaching staff, management, and ownership of the Cavs nothing. He repaid their disoyalty with disloyalty. Karma is a bitch.

Clev could have had him for about 700k but gave him a chance at early money. If they used the option he would have been restricted and Clev could have just matched.

When your agency leaves you over it and leaves their money on the table you have to be slime.

Uh, if you had been in Boozer's shoes, what woul dyou have done? You were coming off a season averaging 15.5 and 11.4 on .523 shooting. Your head coach dismissed you as an average talent who would never become a star. Your management came to you with an illegal offer for far less than you could get on the open market. I would be trying to leave town as quickly as possible.

Do you really think Cleveland management/ownership let him go out of the kindness of their collective heart? Seriously? They were looking to get a key player for next to nothing. They thought they had leverage because their owner was blind. End of story.

[NO-KG-AI]

I never feel bad for any franchise and how a player treats them, because if Elton Brand were to have a career ending injury tomorrow, and the Clippers could void his 5 year contract they would, and if they could trade him for a better player, they would.

Why does everyone act like these organizations are so good to these players? The money they pay these guys is just pocket change to them, and they will throw them out as soon as they are no longer useless.

I know it hurts as a fan, but IMO these players don't owe the organizations anything.

[hoop_head]

^^ True NO-KG-AI, it basically comes down to an employer-employee relationship. The organization looks out for their financial well being, and the player does likewise. Personal feelings and friendships take a backseat to looking out for number one.