Bucks resign Bogut: 5 years, 60/72.5 million*

[Fort Minor]

lol there are some serious Buck haters on these boards...

I honestly didn't know he was playing that well. That's a bit of money..at least 12 million a year? For a dude I haven't heard jack squat about since he was drafted?

Maybe it's because I don't follow the Bucks, or that I live on the West Coast. But I honestly haven't heard much about Bogut in terms of his production the past few years.

You're suprised by this? Michael Redd could be scoring 28 ppg with 8 rebounds and 8 assists, and NOBODY on either coasts would hear a thing about it, because of how the media is biased towards the the New Yorks and LAs. That's the work of ESPN and other major sports outlets. Not that I can blame them, because they make the most money that way, but just because you don't hear about a player on a team located somewhere in the midwest doesn't mean they're playing poorly.

[Another Brick in the Wall]

Not always true.. LeBron is stalked by the media despite playing for a non-marquee franchise in Cleveland.

Spurs and Jazz play in relatively, small markets, but they're good so we hear about them.

If Bucks were good or they actually had a player worth talking about, they would be talked about.

[jenn_gp]

lol there are some serious Buck haters on these boards...

I honestly didn't know he was playing that well. That's a bit of money..at least 12 million a year? For a dude I haven't heard jack squat about since he was drafted?

Maybe it's because I don't follow the Bucks, or that I live on the West Coast. But I honestly haven't heard much about Bogut in terms of his production the past few years.

You're suprised by this? Michael Redd could be scoring 28 ppg with 8 rebounds and 8 assists, and NOBODY on either coasts would hear a thing about it, because of how the media is biased towards the the New Yorks and LAs. That's the work of ESPN and other major sports outlets. Not that I can blame them, because they make the most money that way, but just because you don't hear about a player on a team located somewhere in the midwest doesn't mean they're playing poorly.

I never said he was playing poorly. In fact I said I didn't know he was playing that well to earn that kind of contract.

[GameTime_3]

I want Boguts Agent, i could easily find myself on a nba roster making the minium. Wow, 72 million for bogut! This is how teams get killed long term.

[BobbyLight]

I want Boguts Agent, i could easily find myself on a nba roster making the minium. Wow, 72 million for bogut! This is how teams get killed long term.

After a while I just want to bang my head on a table Gordon Ramsey style... It's 60 guranteed. It only goes up to 72 if he does things like help his team win or becomes an all star. You know, being a good basketball player.

I actually wish more and more NBA contracts would be incentive based. The gurnateed money in the NBA can, at times, create a lazy player. But if you signed a player and said they could make 10 to 20% more, I'd think you could get more effort out of certain players motivated by that sort of thing.

[Buck You]

I think they overpaid for the guy. I like him, but he's not worth that dough.

Redd/Jefferson/Bogut will never win anything.

Thanks Nostradamus, how many games will the Bucks win this year?

Bogut is a top 5 center in the league, at worst top 6. (If you count Amare as a center). You are going to have to overpay for a player who is the top 5 or 6 at his position in the league. This is a fair deal.

[Chapter29]

I think they overpaid for the guy. I like him, but he's not worth that dough.

Redd/Jefferson/Bogut will never win anything.

And the Knicks for example (I assume you're a Knicks fan) with their 100M dollar payroll will win what exactly? It could be argued that those 3 are better than any Knicks player.

And I by no means dislike the Knicks or hope they lose or anything its just that they have been very poorly managed the last couple of years.

[Awoooga]

Stop whining Bucks fans. Your team BADLY overpaid Bogut even at 60 million, he is worth 7-8 million a year, I do not care where he was picked, I would sooner let him walk then shell out that kind of coin for Bogut.

Now the question is how badly was he overpaid?

If Bogut does not hit any incentives and the deal is 60/5 it is bad but he remains the second worst contract on the team (Redd).

To answer this question we need to know what the incentives are tied into. Bucks fans care to share what the incentives are so we can determine how likely or unlikely Bogut is to get over 60 million?

[skones]

Stop whining Bucks fans. Your team BADLY overpaid Bogut even at 60 million, he is worth 7-8 million a year, I do not care where he was picked, I would sooner let him walk then shell out that kind of coin for Bogut.

Now the question is how badly was he overpaid?

If Bogut does not hit any incentives and the deal is 60/5 it is bad but he remains the second worst contract on the team (Redd).

To answer this question we need to know what the incentives are tied into. Bucks fans care to share what the incentives are so we can determine how likely or unlikely Bogut is to get over 60 million?

You're an idiot. I mean, 23 year old centers that put up 14 and 10 obviously grow on trees. You show me a 23 year old center who puts up 14 and 10 signed to 35-40 million and I'll show you a player with a mentally deficient agent and a genius as a general manager.

IF Bogut ends up making all 72.5 million then I would guess that the guy is one of the best centers in the league MAKING HIM WORTH IT.

[Awoooga]

I appreciate the kind words

I know you might be sensitive about this being that you are a Bucks fan and have no choice but to accept it but you need to accept that this is a terrible signing that will haunt your team for the next few years.

Why?

Because Bogut is NOT WORTH 60-72 Million. He put up decent numbers on a garbage team last year. His stats mean nothing to me, I have seen him play 10+ times and he is a solid role player, and he should be paid like one, not like a star player.

I have nothing invested in this, I would prefer to see teams spend wisely but if you guys think that Bogut is worth this deal kudos to you. Bogut might as well of had a no trade clause because no one will touch this deal.

If the contract goes up to 72 million, Bogut will compete with the Rashard Lewis's of the world for the worst contract in the league.

So again I ask, what are the incentives. I want to see how likely Bogut is to reach them and how bad this contract really is.

[skones]

I appreciate the kind words

I know you might be sensitive about this being that you are a Bucks fan and have no choice but to accept it but you need to accept that this is a terrible signing that will haunt your team for the next few years.

Why?

Because Bogut is NOT WORTH 60-72 Million. He put up decent numbers on a garbage team last year. His stats mean nothing to me, I have seen him play 10+ times and he is a solid role player, and he should be paid like one, not like a star player.

I have nothing invested in this, I would prefer to see teams spend wisely but if you guys think that Bogut is worth this deal kudos to you. Bogut might as well of had a no trade clause because no one will touch this deal.

If the contract goes up to 72 million, Bogut will compete with the Rashard Lewis's of the world for the worst contract in the league.

So again I ask, what are the incentives. I want to see how likely Bogut is to reach them and how bad this contract really is.

Nobody knows the incentives.

If you think ANYONE would have gotten Bogut for less than 60 million you are sorely mistaken. Chris Kaman got 52 million two offseasons ago (Since then the cap number has gone up) after a 12 and 10 season on 52% shooting. Is Chris Kaman overpaid? Nope.

[Bernman]

Bogut is better than Dalembert right now. He had a +1.5 own-opponent PER differential to Dalembert's +.6. And PER doesn't even include charges taken (which are essentially steals), a category in which Bogut has ranked 3rd, 3rd, and 2nd in the last 3 seasons, respectively. Bogut is the far superior passer, as the 2.6 apg v. .5 apg would indicate. As a result, Bogut's making a lot more passes which lead to the pass which scores the basketball, which is also not part of the PER equation. Also, Bogut plays with a couple ball hogging guards in Mo Williams and Michael Redd, while Dalembert plays alongside players who've always had reps as fantastic passers for their position like Dre Miller and Iggy. So PER would be a statistic that even cheats a guy like Bogut.

In addition to being appreciably better than Dalembert now, he projects to be far superior to him in the future. Bogut is still only 23, while Dalembert is 27. We saw Bogut improving the last 4 months of the season to a 16/10/3/2 guy. And Bogut inexplicably hasn't translated skills he's exhibited in other leagues like shooting. Via DX from January of '05: "He has a very nice shooting stroke with a high release that makes it very hard to block, and range all the way out to the three point line. His mid-range game is quite solid, he can put the ball on the floor and take it all the way to the basket, find the open man with the drive and dish, or pull up and nail the 14 footer.". He hasn't shown the ability to hit jump shots whatsoever at the NBA level. And you can't blame the defense when over half the time he's wide open and his free throw percentages have sharply declined as well. He has shot 59.6 % from the free throw line in the NBA, in comparison to 67.2 in college. 36 % from 3 in college. If he can finally shoot a jumper like he's proven, he can set up drives with his plus ball-handling, and become a modern day version of Jack Sikma.

Dalembert isn't on Bogut's level. In today's market Dalembert's 10 million per contract would be worth around 12. The Bucks were not foolish to give Bogut 5/60.

[skones]

I should probably rephrase that to, WAS Chris Kaman overpaid upon signing that extension. The answer is no IMO.

[BrewCityBBQ]

How can someone in the age of the Internet honestly not know anything about Bogut other then he was drafted #1? I mean the guy high-fived himself. Thats worth the extra 2.5 mil per year in bonuses itself.

[Chapter29]

Stop whining Bucks fans. Your team BADLY overpaid Bogut even at 60 million, he is worth 7-8 million a year, I do not care where he was picked, I would sooner let him walk then shell out that kind of coin for Bogut.

Now the question is how badly was he overpaid?

If Bogut does not hit any incentives and the deal is 60/5 it is bad but he remains the second worst contract on the team (Redd).

To answer this question we need to know what the incentives are tied into. Bucks fans care to share what the incentives are so we can determine how likely or unlikely Bogut is to get over 60 million?

Whining??

I am thrilled we signed him.

You just need to watch a little more basketball if that's your opinion.

[ITK9]

That's the going rate for above average cetners nowadays. He's better than Dalembert so i think he's getting paid fair here.

no, he is not.

[Mags FTW]

IMO Dalembert is the better defender, they are about even on the glass, and Bogut is better offensively (both scoring and passing).


They are about even right now, but if you look ahead I'd pay more for Bogut because he's 3.5 years younger and made quite an improvement last year.

[BobbyLight]

That's the going rate for above average cetners nowadays. He's better than Dalembert so i think he's getting paid fair here.

no, he is not.

So you must have missed that whole statistical analysis that more or less proved Bogut is the better player. Or did you choose to ignore that?

[ropjhk]

For those who think the Bucks didn't overpay...

When at least 50% of the people who have an opinion about a player thinks he's overpaid, then he's overpaid. What a team pays a player shouldn't be about what that team is willing to pay, but what other teams are willing to pay.

And yes, most players in the NBA are overpaid.

So rather than asking what other 14 and 10 players are only making 8-9 million a year, the Bucks should ask themselves what other teams are willing to pay Bogut 12-14 million a year.

[ropjhk]

And for those making comparisons with Dalembert, realize that Dalembert is well overpaid. The 76ers essentially outbid themselves to keep him.