Sixers Overpaid for Brand

[Stanford]

The one he won two years ago...

[sule]

^^^my bad, didn't read the Dirk part

and i'd take Bosh over Brand. Twice as many FTA's as Brand, and his Defensive Rtg from 2 years ago (used b/c of Brand missing last year) only differed from Brand by 1 point per 100 possessions, 103 (Brand) vs. 104 (Bosh).

Bosh is also has more range and averages about as much rebounds, without ever having someone else who can potently clean the glass.

I'm not going to compare Field Goal Percentage though, since Brand's game is centered around the basket, while Bosh is both from midrange and inside. So a comparison would be moot, however, Brand does have a slightly higher eFG%. So maybe that works out the kinks between their games.

Overall, I think Bosh has the better game for the style the Raptors play, and can be a game changer more than Brand.

[KiDdFrESh]

The 76ers didnt overpay for Elton Brand. They've got the 3rd best PF in the league. Hes a beast on both ends of the floor. They closed the gap between the difference between them and Detroit now.

[BullsDynasty]

4. ... a career loser. Outside of that 2005-06 squad, no team with Brand on the roster has even gone .500. His teams, including last year (you can't give him a pass for missing the year with an injury), have averaged 30.3 wins per season. I know he's been stuck with the post-MJ Bulls and the Clippers, but making the playoffs once a decade means you're not a superstar. Period.[/list]

The biggest fail Ive ever seen, can you give me a team with a good player surrounded with **** players that made the playoffs?

[Jaykoolzboy]

Nah they didn't overpaid him, if anything they underpaid EB consider Shard got that 100mil deal.


Come on, this is the guy going to get you 20/10 (if not more) every single night while playing with heart and great D. EB42 was one of the biggest reason why I became a Clipper fan back in the early 2000s, I feel bad that he left, but you know it's the Clippers you can't really argue much.

[Teddy KGB]

"The 76ers didnt overpay for Elton Brand. They've got the 3rd best PF in the league. Hes a beast on both ends of the floor. They closed the gap between the difference between them and Detroit now."

Duncan, Garnett, Nowitzki. All 3 were seen as undoubtedly better even when EB had just finished his best season and was fully healthy.

And to whichever fool who said that they would take Brand over Nowitzki, I just don't know what to say. Dirk was considered the far better player back in 05-06 when Brand was having his BEST season ever. So why exactly would you take Brand?

[Reks]

The only PF's i would take over Brand for sure are Duncan and Garnett.
Amare is one dimensional and Brand is a better all around player than Dirk.

[TheAnswerAI]

All this talk about Brand being short. He has the SAME standing reach as Tyson Chandler!
And the guy will turn 34 in his last contract year and that 1 month before the RS ends. He will be an expiring contract when he's 33. That not a long or bad contract.

Came back after 8month and gives you 18/8/2 and 2 blocks how is he on the decline. After a full training camp with his new team, a great PG and a strong defensiv Center he will be a lot better...


Edit:

Oh and is it Brands fault that Baylor is so dump to say: "Take our offer of 70million over 5 years or leave."
even when they could have given Brand a 6th year and about 100million?

[GuyverX]

Elton Brand coming off of achilles injury is not worth $100 million. David Falk supposedly wanted the Clippers to pay $120 million believe it or not. And there was no take it or leave it deal. Brand and Falk just didn't want to communicate anymore. They're trying to accuse the Clippers of being cheap when they're just covering up the fact that Brand was the one who came to the Clippers with the $75 mil deal but then changed his mind and reneged for whatever reason. They're not stupid enough to say take it or leave it when they just signed a "win-now" PG to complement Brand. What Brand and Falk say just doesn't add up.

Brand left because he wanted to be in Philly, not because of some low-ball offer.

[Teddy KGB]

The only PF's i would take over Brand for sure are Duncan and Garnett.
Amare is one dimensional and Brand is a better all around player than Dirk.

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Let's argue this over there since it seems more appropriate for the PC board.

[enivel]

Elton Brand is not a top-3 PF. Someone said Duncan, KG, Dirk, Amare and Bosh. I'd agree with all of those. Dirk won an MVP and took his team to the NBA Finals when Brand and the Clippers were having their best season with one series win despite a comparable supporting cast. At this stage, I'd probably rather sign Carlos Boozer and David West to five-year contracts than Brand, especially considering the injury issue I brought up earlier.

As for a player with a weak supporting cast to make the playoffs: LeBron James. Dude went to the Finals with Larry Hughes, Ilgauskas and Drew Gooden as his running mates. Ugh.

It's not a terrible signing and it's an offer the 76ers had to make if they wanted to woo Brand, but it's not exactly a steal, either.

[ITK9]

ha-ha-ha @ some frustrated posters...

brand is a top 5 pf and is only 29.how on Earth we overpaid for him?

[ankle420breaker]

It's not a terrible signing and it's an offer the 76ers had to make if they wanted to woo Brand, but it's not exactly a steal, either.

Yes, I'm pretty sure everyone is aware that the acquisition of Brand is not a terrible signing.... and most would also argue that we did flat out steal him considering the rumored commitment to LAC and more lucrative offer from Golden State.

[enivel]

Yes, I'm pretty sure everyone is aware that the acquisition of Brand is not a terrible signing.... and most would also argue that we did flat out steal him considering the rumored commitment to LAC and more lucrative offer from Golden State.

You're defining "steal" here are getting him by surprise when rumors for days were that he and Baron had an unofficial handshake to team up in L.A. But just being a surprise move doesn't make it a good deal value-wise for them. So you're twisting the definitions around.

One thing I've yet to bring up is that in order to get the cap space to give Brand this very big contract, the 76ers also had to ship out their 1st round pick from two years ago and a future 1st round pick to Minnesota. Add that to the price tag.

[Sixersftw]

One thing I've yet to bring up is that in order to get the cap space to give Brand this very big contract, the 76ers also had to ship out their 1st round pick from two years ago and a future 1st round pick to Minnesota. Add that to the price tag.

It was Utah's pick. That pick is potentially a 2nd rounder because of it's intense protection.

[Malinhion]

Yes, I'm pretty sure everyone is aware that the acquisition of Brand is not a terrible signing.... and most would also argue that we did flat out steal him considering the rumored commitment to LAC and more lucrative offer from Golden State.

You're defining "steal" here are getting him by surprise when rumors for days were that he and Baron had an unofficial handshake to team up in L.A. But just being a surprise move doesn't make it a good deal value-wise for them. So you're twisting the definitions around.

In the end he took the smallest offer on the table. How does that sit with your definition of "steal"?

[ConverseChris]

Sixers get what they deserve
an overpaid undersized big man
probably not even the same guy after the injury
i'm glad they took him and didn't take our josh smith
now the hawks can keep them and they get an aging big man to be hurt again.

[panacea]

Bogut signs a 5-year, $72.5M extension, and Brand is overpaid? LMAO.

[ropjhk]

Well, if Brand signed with the Clippers for that amount I would've defended him.

But you could be right. Brand is turning 30 soon and being over-the-hill in basketball is just around the corner. Even if the Clippers had signed him, we'd probably be itching to get rid of his contract towards the end too. I think Brand has maybe 2 or 3 20/10 years left in him (assuming his injury is completely healed).

If you're asking me if they overpaid? Right now? No. In a few years...probably. But then again, doesn't the market dictate how much a player should be paid? Then the whole concept of being overpaid doesn't really exist. With Brand right now, it's risk/reward. The same goes for Baron Davis too.

In Brand's instance, he's not overpaid from an open market perspective. The Clips and Warriors were bidding for his services with similiar, if not more lucrative contracts.

However, a team can overpay a free agent when it bids against itself and pays an amount that no one else would come close to matching. Allen Houston was a good example.