Official Artest Everything Thread

[rpa]

I think an Odom for Ron/Kenny deal would be good for both sides. With the direction we are heading Lamar may actually be a long term fit for us at the SF/PF spots[. He would look great next to Miller or Hawes at PF. I say do it, see how the team looks at the deadline, if we aren't looking up than do what we can to trade Miller for expirings and get under the cap by next year.

The whole Lakers/Kings thing needs to be put to an end. We are at two totally different intervals, we aren't competing with them right now, we are competing with ourselves. This trade helps both sides for different reasons. The main one for us is that Lamar may be the PROTOTYPE PF for Petrie. That and he can slide to SF giving Jason the minutes he'll need.

You're kidding right.

First off, Odom will be 29 years old at the start of next season. 29 year olds don't fit into long term plans.

Second off, Odom is a terrible fit next to Hawes LONG TERM (unless you think that Miller is a long term piece at 32 years old).

And I didn't even get to the Kings most recent draft pick.

[SacKingZZZ]

The reality is LAkers Just left the finals without Artest..so the thought of giving LA a ring is funny..the thought that artest is some how a cash cow and a gift is laughable ...The fact would be that Odom not is is a good low post player but he would become the best player on the kings if traded.

Also he would relieve 14 mill in cap space next year for the kings ..which leaves 33 mill in payroll and no major players needing a extention.. and that cap will be at atleast 60 mill...

Lakers are getting a loose cannon..who the thought of is better than the reality


It would be a way better deal for the kings than the lakers

Not even close. May even be 3rd overall, but nonetheless a very good fit IMO. I agree that the Lakers will be losing something too. Sure they gain a lot but the Kings may have found their PF for the next 4-5 years. If not, it makes getting under the cap even as soon as '09 a possibility.

[SacKingZZZ]

As an outsider, can someone explain why the kings would even consider trading him for odom??
There is nothing that odom does better than artest except maybe control his temper

Personally, if im the kings FO, i would laugh at the lakers if offered that deal

WRONG! Odom is a waaaay better rebounder and shotblocker. We are the worst rebounding team in the league I believe. Adding a sure fire 10 rpg guy is going to help. With he and Brad dare I say we may actually be a.....gulp.....good rebounding team!?

Oh yeah and not to mention how unselfish Odom is. And Odom is a much better passer too. He just completely fits the way Geoff Petrie wants to play. In our system he may actually be the best big man passer we have had in terms of possible assist numbers.

[SacKingZZZ]

I think an Odom for Ron/Kenny deal would be good for both sides. With the direction we are heading Lamar may actually be a long term fit for us at the SF/PF spots[. He would look great next to Miller or Hawes at PF. I say do it, see how the team looks at the deadline, if we aren't looking up than do what we can to trade Miller for expirings and get under the cap by next year.

The whole Lakers/Kings thing needs to be put to an end. We are at two totally different intervals, we aren't competing with them right now, we are competing with ourselves. This trade helps both sides for different reasons. The main one for us is that Lamar may be the PROTOTYPE PF for Petrie. That and he can slide to SF giving Jason the minutes he'll need.

You're kidding right.

First off, Odom will be 29 years old at the start of next season. 29 year olds don't fit into long term plans.

Second off, Odom is a terrible fit next to Hawes LONG TERM (unless you think that Miller is a long term piece at 32 years old).

And I didn't even get to the Kings most recent draft pick.

Same age as Artest, whom more than a few people think we should re-up long term. 29 isn't old. Long term could mean the next 3 years, long term in the NBA can really be relatively short mathematically.

Odom can play the 3 and that should give Jason, who can play the 5 as well, enough time if it works. If not, it gives us a head start on maybe getting under the cap next year. I say get him, take a look, if it doesn't work then oh well. I think it's better than trading Artest for a 1st rounder in the late 20's myself.

That best deal in history or we all would like? No. But it's the best I have seen yet.

[sackings916]

How can Kings fans want Odom long term when they say they dont want Artest long term because of his age? Artest>>Odom. People say Odom is a better rebounder and shotblocker, but you're comparing a wing player to a hybrid 4. Odom is not a good 3, he's too slow to guard SFs on the perimeter and isn't a good enough shooter to play the 3 offensively.

[KingInExile]

Mods, hopefully you guys think this thread is a good idea.

IMO this will be the official dumping ground of all random Ron threads.

[Da_James_Gang]

Well i posted this in another thread but i guess i'll put it in here too...

Wally Szczerbiak (13m exp.)
Damon Jones (4.4m exp.)
2009 first round pick

for

Ron Artest
Kenny Thomas

Bucher doesnt think the kings will deal him to the lakers, he doesnt see them helping the lakers i guess...

[KingInExile]

I think Geoff's own words regarding this whole speculation are pretty telling:

"Right now, (Artest is) just a terrific player to have on your roster," Petrie said. "I don't really have any speculation one way or another (about his future). We'll see what other things – not specific to Ron – but if there's some other way we can improve the team or change the team, we'll take a look at it."

I get 2 things from this. 1) the whole Odom/Artest idea doesn't tilt his kilt. 2) Moving Ron might not be his top priority unless the deal knocks his socks off.

[rpa]

Same age as Artest, whom more than a few people think we should re-up long term. 29 isn't old. Long term could mean the next 3 years, long term in the NBA can really be relatively short mathematically.

I've seen very FEW people (Kings fans) say we should extend Ron. Just look in the "Ron being Ron" thread. The general consensus seemed to be "Ron thought the Kings would sign him longterm? " without any real objection.

Odom can play the 3

Maybe I'm kind of mistaken here but aren't we sort of already, ya know, stacked at the 3?

If not, it gives us a head start on maybe getting under the cap next year.

We don't want to be under the cap in 2009. We want 2010 cap space. 2009 is full of has-beens and near has-beens; 2010 is full of legitimate difference makers who aren't in the twilight of their careers.

I say get him, take a look, if it doesn't work then oh well. I think it's better than trading Artest for a 1st rounder in the late 20's myself.

So you'd rather have NOTHING (which is what Odom amounts to long term) over a good player (given Petrie's draft record). That's smart.

And let me counter again in a different way. You seem to think that Odom is going to fit the Kings and believe he's a longterm piece. Now, Odom goes into free agency next year. If you think he's going to be a longterm piece then the Kings would need to resign him longterm. So how much do you think he'd get? He's set to make some $14.5mil next year. No way he settles for anything less than $10mil. So let's just say $10mil and be VERY conservative.

So next summer, if you had your way, the Kings would resign Odom for $10mil a year with normal 10% raises. So that means for the 2010-2011 season Odom will have an $11mil salary. Now, let's ask this question:

Would you rather have $11mil in cap space to offer any of the big time 2010 free agents OR would you rather have a 31 year old Lamar Odom?

That may as well be a rhetorical question.

The other option is the Kings let him walk and keep that cap space and they're left with absolutely nothing to show for Artest

[CableKC]

Odom is overall better than Artest, but Artest is better at the SF position which the Lakers need. We are not desperate. We can still win it all with Odom, but might have a better chance with Artest because Lamar is not a great shooter.

You're right....Artest and Odom are different types of players. I am guessing that Odom's All-around skills would help the Lakers win regular season games....but Artest's skills would help the Lakers win in the Playoffs. The way that I look at it is that Artest is a difference maker on any team that he is on whereas Odom is a good supporting All-around cast member on any team that he is on.

Is Artest crazy? Sure he is....but Artest does something that Odom isn't capable of doing in the Playoffs.....help Kobe on the defensive end while not being a offensive liability.

Is he worth the Lakers giving up Farmar or anything of significant worth ( other then Odom )? Probably not.

But if the Lakers can get him at a cost of taking on Kenny Thomas while giving up Odom....he's probably worth the risk.

[VeeJay24]

Just say no to the Lakers!!!!!!

[pillwenney]

Odom does nothing to help this team contend. By the time our young guys are ready enough to really compete, he'll be nearing the end of his prime. And he's just not even that exciting in the first place. If we re-sign him we will have wasted our cap space since he ultimately won't contribute to us being a contender. If we don't re-sign him, then woopidy doo.

I mean seriously SKZZZ, I would think you of all people would be against this. Just because he has a fitting skill set, it doesn't mean that he makes sense to pair with a bunch of players that are several years younger than him. And I would think that you would be against anyone that takes minutes away from our younger guys.

[SadKingsFan]

Generally I love Odom, but I'd rather let Ron walk than trade him to the Lakers

And hey, I also wouldn't do it if they included Farmar too, and I don't think they would either because they'll have no solid future at PG. Fisher's still a good role-player, but he's in his mid-30s now. Not sure Farmar is going to be enough, to start, on this team, whereas he will be with the Lakers a bit down the line. We also just re-signed Beno, and I doubt he's going to be traded within a year or two, while Farmar enters his prime and is on the bench.

I also have my doubts about the Lakers taking Kenny or SAR's contracts, despite being expirings after next season.

It was/is expected the Lakers would probably call for Artest, but it just sucks to see the legitimate mention, and maybe initation of talks soon.

Not only as a fan of this team, but as a Spurs fan also, and as a Ron Artest fan, because I'd have to root against Ron quite a bit.

I don't think we should do an Artest/Odom trade, because while you get Odom which is quality value for Ron, Odom is going to walk after next season, too. Also, while only there for a year, Odom would just not help out the young big men development situation (as well as probably see some regular time at SF).

Then of course you have the whole Lakers/Kings past, and how that relates to the future, in helping the Lakers out big-time, with getting Ron Artest. The past of which, this franchise will likely never be over from.

I'd be kinda suprised and very mixed if an Artest/Odom swap happens, for sure. I still am leaning to it not happening, though.

I dont know if this has been mentioned or not but i think the thing you are missing is the value of Odoms expiring deal when it comes to trades. Just look at what the Lakers got for Kwame and his 8 million dollar one, Odom's is twice that.

[SadKingsFan]

Mods, hopefully you guys think this thread is a good idea.

IMO this will be the official dumping ground of all random Ron threads.

Until he gets traded, thanks!

you always were my favorite mod.

[pillwenney]

Generally I love Odom, but I'd rather let Ron walk than trade him to the Lakers

And hey, I also wouldn't do it if they included Farmar too, and I don't think they would either because they'll have no solid future at PG. Fisher's still a good role-player, but he's in his mid-30s now. Not sure Farmar is going to be enough, to start, on this team, whereas he will be with the Lakers a bit down the line. We also just re-signed Beno, and I doubt he's going to be traded within a year or two, while Farmar enters his prime and is on the bench.

I also have my doubts about the Lakers taking Kenny or SAR's contracts, despite being expirings after next season.

It was/is expected the Lakers would probably call for Artest, but it just sucks to see the legitimate mention, and maybe initation of talks soon.

Not only as a fan of this team, but as a Spurs fan also, and as a Ron Artest fan, because I'd have to root against Ron quite a bit.

I don't think we should do an Artest/Odom trade, because while you get Odom which is quality value for Ron, Odom is going to walk after next season, too. Also, while only there for a year, Odom would just not help out the young big men development situation (as well as probably see some regular time at SF).

Then of course you have the whole Lakers/Kings past, and how that relates to the future, in helping the Lakers out big-time, with getting Ron Artest. The past of which, this franchise will likely never be over from.

I'd be kinda suprised and very mixed if an Artest/Odom swap happens, for sure. I still am leaning to it not happening, though.

I dont know if this has been mentioned or not but i think the thing you are missing is the value of Odoms expiring deal when it comes to trades. Just look at what the Lakers got for Kwame and his 8 million dollar one, Odom's is twice that.

Patience. We'll have over $30million in expirings starting next summer.

[BMiller52]

Generally I love Odom, but I'd rather let Ron walk than trade him to the Lakers

And hey, I also wouldn't do it if they included Farmar too, and I don't think they would either because they'll have no solid future at PG. Fisher's still a good role-player, but he's in his mid-30s now. Not sure Farmar is going to be enough, to start, on this team, whereas he will be with the Lakers a bit down the line. We also just re-signed Beno, and I doubt he's going to be traded within a year or two, while Farmar enters his prime and is on the bench.

I also have my doubts about the Lakers taking Kenny or SAR's contracts, despite being expirings after next season.

It was/is expected the Lakers would probably call for Artest, but it just sucks to see the legitimate mention, and maybe initation of talks soon.

Not only as a fan of this team, but as a Spurs fan also, and as a Ron Artest fan, because I'd have to root against Ron quite a bit.

I don't think we should do an Artest/Odom trade, because while you get Odom which is quality value for Ron, Odom is going to walk after next season, too. Also, while only there for a year, Odom would just not help out the young big men development situation (as well as probably see some regular time at SF).

Then of course you have the whole Lakers/Kings past, and how that relates to the future, in helping the Lakers out big-time, with getting Ron Artest. The past of which, this franchise will likely never be over from.

I'd be kinda suprised and very mixed if an Artest/Odom swap happens, for sure. I still am leaning to it not happening, though.

I dont know if this has been mentioned or not but i think the thing you are missing is the value of Odoms expiring deal when it comes to trades. Just look at what the Lakers got for Kwame and his 8 million dollar one, Odom's is twice that.

Patience. We'll have over $30million in expirings starting next summer.

I could see us dealing for more expirings this offseason some how, hitting the FA market in 09 and dealing our '10 expirings for a star actually.

[KF10]

If I was Petrie, I just keep my 2 year contracts on hold until they expire. People need to value patience more.

[ethiosew]

I'm against this trade as well. We are not contending for another 2-3 at least. So trading for a guy like Odom isn't going to help us now or in the future. If we're going to trade Artest it should be for young players and/or draft picks.

[SacKingZZZ]

Same age as Artest, whom more than a few people think we should re-up long term. 29 isn't old. Long term could mean the next 3 years, long term in the NBA can really be relatively short mathematically.

I've seen very FEW people (Kings fans) say we should extend Ron. Just look in the "Ron being Ron" thread. The general consensus seemed to be "Ron thought the Kings would sign him longterm? " without any real objection.

Odom can play the 3

Maybe I'm kind of mistaken here but aren't we sort of already, ya know, stacked at the 3?

If not, it gives us a head start on maybe getting under the cap next year.

We don't want to be under the cap in 2009. We want 2010 cap space. 2009 is full of has-beens and near has-beens; 2010 is full of legitimate difference makers who aren't in the twilight of their careers.

I say get him, take a look, if it doesn't work then oh well. I think it's better than trading Artest for a 1st rounder in the late 20's myself.

So you'd rather have NOTHING (which is what Odom amounts to long term) over a good player (given Petrie's draft record). That's smart.

And let me counter again in a different way. You seem to think that Odom is going to fit the Kings and believe he's a longterm piece. Now, Odom goes into free agency next year. If you think he's going to be a longterm piece then the Kings would need to resign him longterm. So how much do you think he'd get? He's set to make some $14.5mil next year. No way he settles for anything less than $10mil. So let's just say $10mil and be VERY conservative.

So next summer, if you had your way, the Kings would resign Odom for $10mil a year with normal 10% raises. So that means for the 2010-2011 season Odom will have an $11mil salary. Now, let's ask this question:

Would you rather have $11mil in cap space to offer any of the big time 2010 free agents OR would you rather have a 31 year old Lamar Odom?

That may as well be a rhetorical question.

The other option is the Kings let him walk and keep that cap space and they're left with absolutely nothing to show for Artest

In 2009 we can go out and maybe pick up a piece wanting to be dumped by another team. If not we can just save the space for the next year.

I don't see a better deal than this. Is it perfect? No, but I really don't see us needing any more picks beyond our own next year, good or bad. Even if we add another young player, where does he play??? We are stacked with young guys at just about every position, and where we aren't we have a long term player currently. I might rather get a pick but the depth issue there is even more of a factor.

Whether or not Odom were to re-sign would be deterimined strictly on performance. Besides I think Odom could be used at the deadline or in the offseason as well if it doesn't work out.

I could see Odom fitting this team for at least the next season, and wouldn't be surprised if he did fit and signed up to another 5 year deal.

Sure I'd prefer getting a young SF prospect and maybe even a pick instead, but...I could see Petrie doing a deal like this and I wouldn't mind it. I can see the positives. Like I've said before it's not a perfect deal but Odom, on paper, might be a perfect fit.

[SacKingZZZ]

Odom does nothing to help this team contend. By the time our young guys are ready enough to really compete, he'll be nearing the end of his prime. And he's just not even that exciting in the first place. If we re-sign him we will have wasted our cap space since he ultimately won't contribute to us being a contender. If we don't re-sign him, then woopidy doo.

I mean seriously SKZZZ, I would think you of all people would be against this. Just because he has a fitting skill set, it doesn't mean that he makes sense to pair with a bunch of players that are several years younger than him. And I would think that you would be against anyone that takes minutes away from our younger guys.

But Odom is a still a HUGE expiring so he has that value as well. Like I said, take the wait and see approach. We'd probably do it with Ron anyway. Why not do it with an expiring twice the size? And a player that fits into the system we are clearly trying to put on the floor?