Hoopsworld: Magic and Redick

[N4U|Redux]

There is just one small issue. The article says that Miami has J-Will's rights. So that means they can sign him for what ever they want. If we are offering 1.3 mill and Miami says "Here is 5 mill" I think he might go for the 5 mill instead. I am not saying that is what they offered but you still gotta take into consideration they have his Bird Rights.

if they sign him for 5 mil we simply don't agree to the sign and trade.

obvious, no?

[glennathan]

Well if anyone on here has the right to say they know basketball and can back it up i would be theThief. From what I understand on here is that Thief has a lot of basketball experience. Just thought I would let you know.

[MagicalMan]

change the misleading thread title imo. JJ and others, who knows the others that the article refers to. Nowhere does it say Haslem for JJ straight up, so the title is misleading and inaccurate.

[mhectorgato]

no poster on this site is a realgm...outside of the realgm's...they are legit...

So are you legit? Are you 2 Legit 2 Quit?

[maginno]

We are not getting Haslem. Honestly if you know anything about Riley he does not make trades within his division unless they are lopsided to his advantage. Pure and absolute fantasy to think you can get him from Miami with JJ and Cook. Riley isn't brain dead. Haslem can get you a real solid player back.

As For Jwill I don't think there is much chance Miami will match any realistic offer for him. He's been unable to stay healthy and they didn't buy a pick for chalmers because the doctors said he was now healthy. He can be had but how many games are you going to get from him?

[Optimus_Steel]

bigshawn, you said you would trade Jameer for Haslem. Why woud you do that? I really like Haslem but you are creating another huge hole at PG in order to fill another hole. Nelson is not the greatest PG but he is a capable player. You dont fill lesser holes by creating even bigger holes in other areas, its not smart decision making.

[Cigamodnalro]

Question---if we trade JJ for JWill (signed at the same price as Redick's contract), that would leave us with approx. 2M extra in spending money. Could we then offer Dooling a relatively respectable contract?

[glennathan]

I thought there was an article that said Dooling was not going to come back to the Magic?

[trebone]

bigshawn, you said you would trade Jameer for Haslem. Why woud you do that? I really like Haslem but you are creating another huge hole at PG in order to fill another hole. Nelson is not the greatest PG but he is a capable player. You dont fill lesser holes by creating even bigger holes in other areas, its not smart decision making.

You wouldnt trade nelson for haslem straight up? if Rajon Rondo can do with the celts it shows that with enough talent it doesnt take much at pg. Jason williams could take this team to the conf. finals .

j will
Mp
shard
haslem
howard

6th man Hedo

[Optimus_Steel]

bigshawn, you said you would trade Jameer for Haslem. Why woud you do that? I really like Haslem but you are creating another huge hole at PG in order to fill another hole. Nelson is not the greatest PG but he is a capable player. You dont fill lesser holes by creating even bigger holes in other areas, its not smart decision making.

You wouldnt trade nelson for haslem straight up? if Rajon Rondo can do with the celts it shows that with enough talent it doesnt take much at pg. Jason williams could take this team to the conf. finals .

j will
Mp
shard
haslem
howard

6th man Hedo

Did you just say that a 32 year old J-Will as our starter is adequate?????? Wow man wow.....

[Dwightmare]

my ranking of importance of position:

C
PG
PF
SG
SF

Im not saying thats correct in anyway just my opinion, but PG is definitily up there.

[trebone]

bigshawn, you said you would trade Jameer for Haslem. Why woud you do that? I really like Haslem but you are creating another huge hole at PG in order to fill another hole. Nelson is not the greatest PG but he is a capable player. You dont fill lesser holes by creating even bigger holes in other areas, its not smart decision making.

You wouldnt trade nelson for haslem straight up? if Rajon Rondo can do with the celts it shows that with enough talent it doesnt take much at pg. Jason williams could take this team to the conf. finals .

j will
Mp
shard
haslem
howard

6th man Hedo

Did you just say that a 32 year old J-Will as our starter is adequate?????? Wow man wow.....

1st age has nothing to do with it you wouldnt take J Kidd as our starter? what is he 34-35. all I am saying is that with that lineup it really wouldnt matter who played pg for us.
nelson for haslem would be a no brainer in my book. Set up a vote and I guarantee a 75% favor of that trade.

[mattyBoi]

booo

[bigshawn]

bigshawn, you said you would trade Jameer for Haslem. Why woud you do that? I really like Haslem but you are creating another huge hole at PG in order to fill another hole. Nelson is not the greatest PG but he is a capable player. You dont fill lesser holes by creating even bigger holes in other areas, its not smart decision making.

Prorl, I'm the wrong guy to ask about trading Jameer. I'm in the camp of we will never get a ring with Nelson. I think he is too small, and too big thr same time. Let me explain. He is too short to guard tall PG's and too bulky for the quicker ones.

Also, he has a terrible contract. But, the number 1 reason is that he not a playmaker, meaning he doesn't make everyone else better. So to answer your question YES!!!! In a hearbeat, all day on Sunday and twice on Saturday.

[Optimus_Steel]

bigshawn, you said you would trade Jameer for Haslem. Why woud you do that? I really like Haslem but you are creating another huge hole at PG in order to fill another hole. Nelson is not the greatest PG but he is a capable player. You dont fill lesser holes by creating even bigger holes in other areas, its not smart decision making.

Prorl, I'm the wrong guy to ask about trading Jameer. I'm in the camp of we will never get a ring with Nelson. I think he is too small, and too big thr same time. Let me explain. He is too short to guard tall PG's and too bulky for the quicker ones.

Also, he has a terrible contract. But, the number 1 reason is that he not a playmaker, meaning he doesn't make everyone else better. So to answer your question YES!!!! In a hearbeat, all day on Sunday and twice on Saturday.

Then you are stuck with guys such as J-Will, Anthony Johnson, and even Carlos Arroyo as your starting point guards. Do you really want that? For a full season? Those guys are good backups right now but you dont want them starting full time. You are gonna be screaming and pulling your hair out if those guys are the starters. Jameer despite his limitations is currently alot better than those guys. The way the team is constructed, with Hedo handling the ball alot and creating, and Dwight attracting attention, Jameer is a good fit because he can shot the outside jumper and can penetrate.

[bigshawn]

Prorl, You are absolutely correct that Jameer is better than those guys, I wont dispute that. But if we were to get Haslem (which is a need) and get a rid of Jameer's contract at the same time, I'd be willling to gamble on Anthony Johnson for a season or make a trade for one of the Memphis PG's.

I know thats easier said than done, but we need a banger and I'd be willing to trade for Haslem. We could maybetrade for Steve Blake or a PG who is just wants to distribute the ball. I think we will regret Nelson's contarct more than Rashard's even though Jameer's is quite smaller.

[Magic.City.23.]

Prorl, You are absolutely correct that Jameer is better than those guys, I wont dispute that. But if we were to get Haslem (which is a need) and get a rid of Jameer's contract at the same time, I'd be willling to gamble on Anthony Johnson for a season or make a trade for one of the Memphis PG's.

I know thats easier said than done, but we need a banger and I'd be willing to trade for Haslem. We could maybetrade for Steve Blake or a PG who is just wants to distribute the ball. I think we will regret Nelson's contarct more than Rashard's even though Jameer's is quite smaller.

I dont understand how people say Jameer has a bad contract.......He is getting 6mil a year which is essentially the full MLE......Chris Duhon, Des. Diop, & Pietrus all got the full MLE, but you dont think Jameer would? If not then you need get your head out of the sand...I think he is actually getting paid his due value.....

And no, I would not trade Jameer for Haslem straight up....That would be stupid. It is much easier to find a role-playing, banger PF, then it is to find a legit, starting caliber, NBA PG. We can probably find a banger with a late 1st rounder in the draft, but a good PG is much harder to come by. I can see Jameer avg 16ppg 6ast & 4.5rpg in his prime, at least, which at his price would be a steal. I love how people act like Jameer wont continue to improve...

[BassMaster]

Sounds like you need to change this thread to Lets Trade Nelson for whoever!!!

[sChOlaRlY_Magi]

Prorl, You are absolutely correct that Jameer is better than those guys, I wont dispute that. But if we were to get Haslem (which is a need) and get a rid of Jameer's contract at the same time, I'd be willling to gamble on Anthony Johnson for a season or make a trade for one of the Memphis PG's.

I know thats easier said than done, but we need a banger and I'd be willing to trade for Haslem. We could maybetrade for Steve Blake or a PG who is just wants to distribute the ball. I think we will regret Nelson's contarct more than Rashard's even though Jameer's is quite smaller.

I dont understand how people say Jameer has a bad contract.......He is getting 6mil a year which is essentially the full MLE......Chris Duhon, Des. Diop, & Pietrus all got the full MLE, but you dont think Jameer would? If not then you need get your head out of the sand...I think he is actually getting paid his due value.....

And no, I would not trade Jameer for Haslem straight up....That would be stupid. It is much easier to find a role-playing, banger PF, then it is to find a legit, starting caliber, NBA PG. We can probably find a banger with a late 1st rounder in the draft, but a good PG is much harder to come by. I can see Jameer avg 16ppg 6ast & 4.5rpg in his prime, at least, which at his price would be a steal. I love how people act like Jameer wont continue to improve...

^ +1
I also think he will improve... He will always have that chip on his shoulder and the fighter's will. Smaller than others, too stocky... I dunno, he reminds me of somebody that will impose his will, and sometimes that's all that matters.

[lovehoops01]

When are people going to stop posting whatever HoopsWorld writes like they ever really get anything right that is not started somewhere else?

They are never right, especially about the Magic. And furthermore, they appear to write with an agenda. And one that favors the Heat. Go back and look at their track record. Just based on the way they have written stuff, I'd be willing to bet that they just are doing the bidding of players' agents.

Not that a J.J. for UD trade would favor the Heat. But the devil is in the details, the "other players.''

Plus, Maginno is correct on this. Riley is not trading within the division, especially in any deal that he thinks might help the opponent (even if he likes the player he is getting back). What Riley will do if he likes J.J. -- and who even knows if that really is true? -- is wait until he becomes a free agent, try to sign him then and motivate him to beat the crap out of the Magic by reminding him of how much he didn't play here. Riley is much more diabolical than making a trade that benefits both teams. He doesn't just want to beat your team. He wants to bring it to its knees.

And he's certainly not looking to trade with the Magic. I think you guys fail to realize the bad blood between the teams after the Magic moved to hire Stan Van Gundy. Not between Stan and Pat maybe. But between the teams or Riley and the Magic.

It's so transparent what that report is all about. Sign and trade for Jason Williams. Pffftttt. Heat have made it abundantly clear that they don't want him back. Williams supposedly wants to play for Orlando. He's been telling reporters that all last season, based on reports that have been published in the newspapers. But, maybe looking at the problem Orlando has at point guard right now, J.Will's people think that the Magic should pay more than the minimum for him if they want him and that the Magic might be desperate enough to do it. They know the Magic already have spent most of their MLE. So start the sign-and-trade rumor so hopefully Williams could get the most possible money. Three possible problems with that idea, if you ask me.... 1).Heat already are flirting with the luxury tax so they don't want to add that much more in salaries either; 2).Magic might not want Williams at all if he costs more than the minimum; 3).If the Magic pay him much more than the minimum, then why not just re-sign Dooling? Yeesh!

As far as the Jameer talk goes....even if you don't like him (which I do), you just have to accept it. He's not going anywhere. For one, think just how desperate the Magic really would be if they didn't already have him under contract this offseason. Then they would have ZERO point guards under contract. And with the other talent out there this offseason, don't you think some other team would have thrown at least as much at him? But mostly, Otis isn't even his biggest backer. Dwight is. And if you don't think that matters, you clearly have forgotten how huge of a blow it was when the Magic lost Shaq. If you're asking for Jameer to be traded, you're asking for trouble.

Frankly, I'm not worried nearly as much about Jameer's contract as I am about Mickael Pietrus' contract. Pietrus' defense had better be of all-star caliber because his offense is nothing to be happy about. I laugh whenever I read that he is supposed to be a good outside shooter. Career 3-point percentage: 35 percent. Every Magic player who took a significant number of 3-pointers last year shot better than that, Bogans included.