What is Dunleavy worth?

[HicksvsKnicks08]

I was really really impressed with Dunleavy's play last year. He gets ragged on a lot (myslef included) especialy around the fan boards across the league. I challange people to come up with more than 10 SG's with better numbers. He shot luike 43% from 3, 46% from the filed, avg like 5 rbs, and 5 assists. If he wasnt the third pick in the draft, he would not be beat up so much. I was really impressed how he brought his "A" game most nights. That being said........................................

NOW IS THE TIME TO TRADE HIM! (sorry for the caps, im yelling:)

I can think of a number of teams he could be a big upgrade for : Cleveland,Toronto, NY, Chicago, Miami, in the east. Dallas, LA Clipps, GS, Seattle, Utah, Memphis, Houston etc.

So my question is what do you think his val is on the market?

thanks, and I look forward to your thoughts

[HicksvsKnicks08]

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[IndieRuso420]

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I don't know why, but if you click the printer above the first post it will go into print mode allowing you to see everything. That's what I do.

Anyways, I can't quantify in terms how much Dunleavy is worth without you telling me a team to look at (so I can gauge the players).

However, I can tell you this, Dunleavy has more value than JO. JO got Ford, Rasho, and Hibbert. I'm looking at Rasho as purely expiring because I think he goes back to TOR or SAS. So in essence, JO got Ford and Hibber.

Dunleavy is worth Ford, Hibbert, and another mid teens 1st. So, Dunleavy is worth a solid NBA starter and two quality young players (if not a rotational/bench contributor as well).

[23artest23]

I have no idea HicksvsKnicks08. It sounds as though the browser may be the problem.

As for the topic, I don't know what to think on Mike's value. If a GM thinks like I do, Dun is a product of the system and proved himself 1 season after how many? I don't think that GM thinks on my terms though

I actually like Mike but if there is a time to deal him, I would think it is now. I don't see him improving much and he has finally lived up to that contract in some eyes. The bigger reason though is that I see Dun as SF and I feel Granger to have that position locked up. While yes, I do feel they are interchangeable at SG and SF, I would much rather have a permanent guy at each spot.

I find the Dunleavy situation to be quite a tough one. I think that if it came down to it, I would trade him if it would improve us long term but otherwise, I would keep him because I feel he fits our system quite well. On the flip side though, I don't expect O'brien to be here after the season so where does he fit in then? Like I said, I think the Dunleavy situation is quite complicated and could come back to reap rewards or bite us in the rear

[IndieRuso420]

I don't see the Pacers trading Dunleavy right now. Yea, Rush is nice but not proven. I can't trade the 2nd best player on the team when all I have is an unproven Rush and Daniels. Maybe all star break or next year, but I don't see anything happening in the near future.

[HicksvsKnicks08]

Thanks for the help

I just think Dunleavys value can not get any higher then it is right now(except in the last year of his contract) So I think now is the time to move him. I think between Rush and Jack they could handle the SG(I realize Jack is a PG, but he is big enough to spot sme minutes at the 2) so I think we could move Dunleavy

Do you think hecould get us a young or veteran PF that is maybee a 7 on a 1-10 scale?



thanks

[23artest23]

I don't see the Pacers trading Dunleavy right now. Yea, Rush is nice but not proven. I can't trade the 2nd best player on the team when all I have is an unproven Rush and Daniels. Maybe all star break or next year, but I don't see anything happening in the near future.

That is more or less my thinking as well. I really don't see him being dealt and if it were to happen, all star break would be the time that makes sense and if not, this offseason. If it were me, I'd listen to offers for him as I would any other player but at this point, he looks better in a Pacer uniform.

A factor I failed to mention before was T.J. Ford. It would not surprise me a bit if T.J. made Dun look even better. With my thinking, if T.J. made Dun look even better, I would have to consider dealing him considering he would likely have high value on the marketplace and that I think of him as a SF.

[Bucky O'Hare]

If Rush looks like a capable starter, one that can start on a successful, 50+ win team, I think Dunleavy could be moved next offseason.

19-6-3 with good efficiency, I'd say he's worth what he's being paid.

[Wizop]

what is this, fantasy ball? selling high only makes sense if you don't think he's part of your needs for the life of his contract. I like his game a lot and he's squeaky clean. he's also still young. now in a couple of years when his contract is short and we have to face the extension question then things will be different.

[joew8302]

I LOVE watching Dunleavy play the game. He is very professional and is a pros pro. He really understands the game and where the ball needs to be at all times. While he is a very good shooter, part of the reason his % was so good was that he didn't take bad shots, his shot selection was by far the best on the team. He is never afraid to pass and he is all about getting the win. He is easily one of my five favorites to wear a Pacers uniform along with Foster, Granger, Reggie, and Artest (in no particular order).

That said, I would trade Dunleavy if the right situation came along, but I doubt it will. If we were to get rid of Dunleavy I would want something very considerable in return. Without checking the trade checker, I would want a player such as Josh Howard, Kevin Martin, Josh Smith, Andre Igodala etc. I doubt many GM's think THAT highly of Mike and would not be willing to part with a player of that caliber to acquire him, and if thats the case I say we go ahead and keep him. We have a relatively young team, and the guys could learn a lot by watching Mike play the game and seeing his work habits. There is more value than meets the naked eye with a guy like MDJ.

[cdash]

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I don't know why, but if you click the printer above the first post it will go into print mode allowing you to see everything. That's what I do.

Anyways, I can't quantify in terms how much Dunleavy is worth without you telling me a team to look at (so I can gauge the players).

However, I can tell you this, Dunleavy has more value than JO. JO got Ford, Rasho, and Hibbert. I'm looking at Rasho as purely expiring because I think he goes back to TOR or SAS. So in essence, JO got Ford and Hibber.

Dunleavy is worth Ford, Hibbert, and another mid teens 1st. So, Dunleavy is worth a solid NBA starter and two quality young players (if not a rotational/bench contributor as well).

Ehhh...I'm not sure he has more value than JO, and I certainly dont expect for us to be able to get a solid NBA starter and two quality young guys for him. First off, his contract isnt big enough to offset incoming salaries for players of the nature, and second, who is going to give up that much for a SG/SF who has had one good year in the NBA? He is a nice player, but I dont think he is worth all that.

[MillerTime101]

I dont think there is any question he is worth alot more then JO, from what I heard that Toronto offer was by far the best they could have gotten, there was a point when I would have traded JO for a decent prospect and expireings.

I would like to see him stay for a number of reasons, first he has that sqeuaky clean image that the Pacers are desperatly trying to get, secondly he is going to be a great mentor to Rush, his basketball IQ is through the roof... Not to mention I just bought one of those authentic Dunleavy jerseys, those things are not cheap

I think a player like Sean Marion is not out of the question if we can package him with a foster/tinsley player and take some salary like Marcus Banks back Miami would look at it. That is probably best case scenario until Mike proves himself to be more then a solid player that took advantage of being on a bad team.

[HicksvsKnicks08]

I am glad I decided to pst here. Some very interesting thoughts, good points of view.

Here is my take : I am scared to death of our PF rotation,
From what Im hearing, TJ Ford is probably our "nastiest" guy on the team
Dunleavy is the most tradeable aset we have making big money ( more than 8 Milllion)
I really think if we were to trade Dunleavy for a PF that was tough and could, rebound, block shots, and score in the low post (like JO once did, how ironic) we could be as high as a4 seed next year

[NashvilleKat]

To play with the elite teams you need three consistent bigtime scorers. If Dunleavy's 20 pts per game is traded, and Oneal's 20 pts pedr game is gone, who will help Granger this coming year. Rush is a rookie, Hibbert is a rookie, Ford and Jack won't be big scorers...is it going to be Murphy...is that who we're going to count on night in and night out for 20 pts per game...or will it be Foster? hmmmmmmmm......

[HicksvsKnicks08]

To play with the elite teams you need three consistent bigtime scorers. If Dunleavy's 20 pts per game is traded, and Oneal's 20 pts pedr game is gone, who will help Granger this coming year. Rush is a rookie, Hibbert is a rookie, Ford and Jack won't be big scorers[quote][/quote]

I definitley agree with the bottom portion of your answer, although that doesn't take into account what we would get in return for Dunleavy. I disagree with the top part of your statement about 3 20pt per game players. I think you need 1 top 10 talent (star etc.) and 1 player at least extreemly good (what I think grangers ceiing is )like a Pippen, Pierce etc.

[Lionel Messi]

what do u guys think about a

bargnani + parker for dunleavy ISH deal...

im too lazy to look at dunleavy's contract, but u'd get a young power forward that has shown lots of promise in bargnani, a very solid shooting guard (huge 3 ball, can hit fade-away mid-rangers consistently, solid defender) and 4.5M of expiring contract...

that way u can have rush/parker split minutes at the 2 or maybe parker/rush back one of the other up...u can give bargnani minutes and time develop which he needs...

maybe the raps throw in a first round pick?

edit: after reading abit more into it, the salaries work with ap + bargs for mike d...
and i definetely throw a first rounder in there...

i think u wont like it cuz i read u guys might want a good defensive pf that is tough...

maybe u should think of haslem? but not straight up for dunleavy...haslem is young and everyhting, he would probably fit ur team perfectly.

[MillerTime101]

I dont think that is a bad offer but I dont see it happening. I dont think the Raptors are going to give up on bargnani because he had one off year, there is just too much talent there to give up so early. If he has another mediocre year this year and the Raptors think Dunleavy will get them a championship then I might have to change my answer.

I also dont know if Larry Bird would take a guy like Bargnani, he is not a "larry bird" type player. Ecspecially when we could keep Dunleavy add probably a lottery pick next year and sign a Sean Marion or Carlose Boozer type PF and really contend.

[joew8302]

No way do I do that deal if I am Indiana. With Foster, Hibbert and Rasho we are set at the 5 and have no real use for Andrea. Parker could be a decent two, but not more decent than Dunleavy. I don't want to send Toronto Dunleavy for an average two and a five that will have a tough time getting minutes.

[HicksvsKnicks08]

I dont think the Raptors are going to give up on bargnani because he had one off year, there is just too much talent there to give up so early.

I agree, and even if he turns out above average, I don't think he will become the tough, defensive , rebounding PF, we so desperatley need

[Wizop]

I'm not at all worried about the 4 spot. with Rasho and Roy in the rotation at 5, Jeff and Troy can split the 4. now next year if you want to let Jeff and Quis and Rasho go, you can be in the free agent market for a 4 or you can just draft one. we don't have to do the whole rebuilding plan in one summer. I sure don't think we need to be able to win 60 games this year to call the plan a success. it wouldn't even be the end of the world if we miss the playoffs this year and are picking in the low teens again.