Official Artest Everything Thread

sackings916 · Post #61 » by **sackings916** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 10:11 am

I think Petrie is making a run at Hedo. Orlando has to be hesitating on paying Hedo since they have all that money committed to Lewis who they need to move back to SF. There were Artest for Hedo rumors last offseason, so I think its a possibility. Artest's value definitely has been on the rise IMO, and he's a more physical forward than Hedo and can play the 4 with Howard there to cover his deficiencies, which would then move Lewis back to the 3.

Hedo is a perfect wingmate to Martin since he's a playmaker and has the ability to have the offense ran thru him. Petrie hated trading Hedo and after the season he just had it has to be on his mind. If Orlando isn't interested in Artest and wants more of a big man maybe we could involve a 3rd team with Hedo coming back to us. Beno/Martin/Hedo/Thompson/Hawes is a young core to build around.

SadKingsFan · Post #62 » by **SadKingsFan** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 10:36 am

sackings916 wrote:I think Petrie is making a run at Hedo. Orlando has to be hesitating on paying Hedo since they have all that money committed to Lewis who they need to move back to SF. There were Artest for Hedo rumors last offseason, so I think its a possibility. Artest's value definitely has been on the rise IMO, and he's a more physical forward than Hedo and can play the 4 with Howard there to cover his deficiencies, which would then move Lewis back to the 3.

Hedo is a perfect wingmate to Martin since he's a playmaker and has the ability to have the offense ran thru him. Petrie hated trading Hedo and after the season he just had it has to be on his mind. If Orlando isn't interested in Artest and wants more of a big man maybe we could involve a 3rd team with Hedo coming back to us. Beno/Martin/Hedo/Thompson/Hawes is a young core to build around.

Actaully come to find out artest wasnt offered for Hedo. It was more like kenny and something else IIRC. But anyway if the Magic are even scared to pay him then why in the world should/would we?

_SRV_ · Post #63 » by **_SRV_** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 11:00 am

Petrie is making it clear he's not interested in Odom/Artest swap, and rightly so, either the Lakers take KT or piss off.
I'd do Odom for Artest/KT

Miller/Moore/Hawes
Odom/Moore/Shelden/Thompson
Salmons/Garcia/(vet min signee or Odom)
Martin/Garcia/Douby
Udrih/SS/Douby

We'll need a 4th big wing as 11th/12th player as back up, and we'd be reducing the dead weight on the roster to only SAR who might even retire.
Next year, Moore will be cleared, and hopefully Shelden and Thompson can fill the backup roles, and Hawes start getting real rotation share.

rpa · Post #64 » by **rpa** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:09 pm

sackings916 wrote:I think Petrie is making a run at Hedo. Orlando has to be hesitating on paying Hedo since they have all that money committed to Lewis who they need to move back to SF. There were Artest for Hedo rumors last offseason, so I think its a possibility. Artest's value definitely has been on the rise IMO, and he's a more physical forward than Hedo and can play the 4 with Howard there to cover his deficiencies, which would then move Lewis back to the 3.

Hedo is a perfect wingmate to Martin since he's a playmaker and has the ability to have the offense ran thru him. Petrie hated trading Hedo and after the season he just had it has to be on his mind. If Orlando isn't interested in Artest and wants more of a big man maybe we could involve a 3rd team with Hedo coming back to us. Beno/Martin/Hedo/Thompson/Hawes is a young core to build around.

Yet the Kings would be oh so happy to instead of using that money in the 2010 offseason?

deNIEd · Post #65 » by **deNIEd** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:12 pm

rpa wrote:
sackings916 wrote:I think Petrie is making a run at Hedo. Orlando has to be hesitating on paying Hedo since they have all that money committed to Lewis who they need to move back to SF. There were Artest for Hedo rumors last offseason, so I think its a possibility. Artest's value definitely has been on the rise IMO, and he's a more physical forward than Hedo and can play the 4 with Howard there to cover his deficiencies, which would then move Lewis back to the 3.

Hedo is a perfect wingmate to Martin since he's a playmaker and has the ability to have the offense ran thru him. Petrie hated trading Hedo and after the season he just had it has to be on his mind. If Orlando isn't interested in Artest and wants more of a big man maybe we could involve a 3rd team with Hedo coming back to us. Beno/Martin/Hedo/Thompson/Hawes is a young core to build around.

Yet the Kings would be oh so happy to instead of using that money in the 2010 offseason?

Even more happy in using that money in 2011 offseason

Kodiak Is. King · Post #66 » by **Kodiak Is. King** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:43 pm

Ron Artest is a fantastic, competetive talent for the Kings. Fans should give him the respect similar to Webber years back. I for one seek to witness Artest's excellence with the Kings this year and beyond. I imagine Coach Theis does too. How many hours a day must Theis ponder how to get the most out of Artest? The Artest/Odom swap is very poor for the Kings, even if KT is included. KT should strive for a PJ Brown type role with the Kings.
Stick with this lineup and pundits be surprised as the Kings earn the 5th seed in the West this year...
Coach did great last year as a rookie, this year will be much better. Theis and Artest are of the same ilk. They are dedicated to gritty, winning basketball.
The Kings presently have a great team to contend... I know I am in the minority with such thoughts but the pieces are there if Ron stays. Yes...there to compete with the best in the West.
What would Theis want? I think he wants Ron on the roster.

Kodiak Is. King · Post #67 » by **Kodiak Is. King** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:57 pm

Coach Theus...not Theis...(my apologies)

what would jack bauer do? · Post #68 » by **what would jack bauer do?** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 8:48 pm

Artest is a blackhole/ballstopper. Lamar is a chemistry guy that grabs 10+ rebounds a game and knows how to pass the ball. Every team that Artest goes to has internal problems that eventually lead to them not making the playoffs. The Lakers are much better suited going after a good locker room presence like Prince with Odom/Farmar/future 1st. You guys are smart for not offering Artest a huge contract and just letting him expire next year. No doubt Artest has better ability to play and defend at SF, but I don't think anyone in their right mind would trade for him other than the Lakers- especially after his antics this summer, last summer, the year before, and the year before that. He would fit with the Lakers offense because he wouldn't have to be a ballstopper in LA and he'd work in with Kobe and Phil. I mean it might make both teams better, but why in the world would the Lakers want to give Odom to Sactown? As former "rivals", we would probably want you guys to be stuck with Jason Thompson, Kenny Thomas, Mikki Moore, Shelden Williams, and SAR. Besides you guys are clearly in rebuild mode. It might be best if the Kings just let him walk or trade him for a future 1st.

Post #69 » by **KF10** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 8:54 pm

what would jack bauer do? wrote:Artest is a blackhole/ballstopper. Lamar is a chemistry guy that grabs 10+ rebounds a game and knows how to pass the ball. Every team that Artest goes to has internal problems that eventually lead to them not making the playoffs. The Lakers are much better suited going after a good locker room presence like Prince with Odom/Farmar/future 1st. You guys are smart for not offering Artest a huge contract and just letting him expire next year. No doubt Artest has better ability to play and defend at SF, but I don't think anyone in their right mind would trade for him other than the Lakers- especially after his antics this summer, last summer, the year before, and the year before that. He would fit with the Lakers offense because he wouldn't have to be a ballstopper in LA and he'd work in with Kobe and Phil. I mean it might make both teams better, but why in the world would the Lakers want to give Odom to Sactown? As former "rivals", we would probably want you guys to be stuck with Jason Thompson, Kenny Thomas, Mikki Moore, Shelden Williams, and SAR. Besides you guys are clearly in rebuild mode. It might be best if the Kings just let him walk or trade him for a future 1st.

This is one of the major conceptions about Artest. He is not a blackhole/ballstopper. That issue has been completely blown out of proportion. If you have seen a significant amount of Kings games (Which I doubt) you should not claim that.

Smills91 · Post #70 » by **Smills91** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 9:36 pm

Odom is a guy who SHRINKS under pressure. Ron is a guy who steps up to any challenge he's faced with. Just say no to LO.

SacKingZZZ · Post #71 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 10:05 pm

Kodiak Is. King wrote:Ron Artest is a fantastic, competetive talent for the Kings. Fans should give him the respect similar to Webber years back. I for one seek to witness Artest's excellence with the Kings this year and beyond. I imagine Coach Theis does too. How many hours a day must Theis ponder how to get the most out of Artest? The Artest/Odom swap is very poor for the Kings, even if KT is included. KT should strive for a PJ Brown type role with the Kings.
Stick with this lineup and pundits be surprised as the Kings earn the 5th seed in the West this year...
Coach did great last year as a rookie, this year will be much better. Theis and Artest are of the same ilk. They are dedicated to gritty, winning basketball.
The Kings presently have a great team to contend... I know I am in the minority with such thoughts but the pieces are there if Ron stays. Yes...there to compete with the best in the West.
What would Theis want? I think he wants Ron on the roster.

But it goes back to the Kings not being the best for Ron at the end of the day. That ship went the way of the Bonzi. Since then Petrie has built a team that is the antithesis of Ron Artest and it would be too much work to go that way now. 2 years headed in the other direction is just too long, and it would take at least that long or more to build a team around Ron at this point. If it can even be done that is.

SacKingZZZ · Post #72 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 10:26 pm

KingInExile wrote:I think Geoff's own words regarding this whole speculation are pretty telling:
"Right now, (Artest is) just a terrific player to have on your roster," Petrie said. "I don't really have any speculation one way or another (about his future). We'll see what other things – not specific to Ron – but if there's some other way we can improve the team or change the team, we'll take a look at it."

I get 2 things from this. 1) the whole Odom/Artest idea doesn't tilt his kilt. 2) Moving Ron might not be his top priority unless the deal knocks his socks off.

What it tells me is that the Lakers aren't the only ones who want Ron and they'll have to settle this time, not Petrie.

rpa · Post #73 » by **rpa** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:06 am

SacKingZZZ wrote:What it tells me is that the Lakers aren't the only ones who want Ron and they'll have to settle this time, not Petrie.

Most of us knew that a lot of other teams are going to contact the Kings about Ron. Off the top of my head I figure that that number may be as high as 15 (being very liberal). Since the Lakers are from the big market, and just coming off a finals loss where it was beyond obvious that they needed a lockdown perimeter defender, it makes sense that a lot of the speculation is going to involve them--it's just good news for the rumor peddlers.

The 15 teams that I figure could be interested in Artest: Philly, Toronto, Cleveland, Detroit, Charlotte, Orlando, Dallas, Houston, New Orleans, San Antonio, Denver, Golden State, Phoenix, & both LA teams. Utah & NY are fringe (but highly doubtful) possibilities.

Dustin5566 · Post #74 » by **Dustin5566** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 2:07 am

I would be sick if we traded for Odom, the guy has arguably the worst Bball I.Q. Just an absolutly dumb player. I rather trade him to the clippers for their #1 pick and have 2 potential top 5 pics next year. RICKY RUBIO.....

Kodiak Is. King · Post #75 » by **Kodiak Is. King** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 2:22 am

Seems to met Petrie traded Peja for Artest beyond Artest simply being a bait for further trade. I think Artest can play in any system with any scheme. The idea that we are building our future in a style not fitting to Artest to me is nonsense. Artest is not a thug on the floor...anything but. And with the Princeton Passing Cutting offense, I think Artest is a perfect fit. Will they double team him or not? He is a great passer with a versatile offensive game. He will garner that essential double team!
Theus will coach Artest brilliantly this year I think. They are of the same ilk. Let this mix continue Petrie!
Why do we seek to get rid of Artest for scraps? Why is this a hoped for foregone conclusion to so many fans on this board? We have 3 all star caliber starters (Martin, Artest, Miller) with great backup support with an emerging coach who wants athletes and ballers.
Our failures in the past years have been due to injury, and with Mussleman--pathetic inspiration (the opposite)

NO to Odom.

By the trade deadline, Artest will be the most sought after possibility...let's have patience...play the season...and savor Artest with this years Kings as is.

Yes to Artest in 08...and to the Kings surprising many that their time, indeed, begins now.

SacKingZZZ · Post #76 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 2:54 am

No, where Ron is at as a player he doesn't fit the direction we are headed. You can't just tell Ron to, "go to the corner and wait for the ball", or, "look for a place to cut and we'll get you the ball." He wants to be Kobe Bryant or TMac on offense. That type of player has no place on this squad. He isn't at that level offensively, and never will be. All around he is a tremendous player but he doesn't fit and it's painfully obvious.

And like I said last summer, the best time to trade Ron is now. As we saw last year the deadline deals for him were slim pickings. A team will want him for a whole year because the only teams that will want him are "contenders". They are typically pretty reluctant to do huge midseason deals and for good reason. If we don't trade him this summer we might as well just let him walk at the end of the year. Last year we at least had the fact that he might not opt out as a safety net.

There is a link floating around out there of an interview with Joe Maloof from an LA ESPN radio affiliate and just by hearing him talk it sounds like the freaking kiss of death for Ron and his future with the Kings. He admits the Lakers did call. He also said he likes Odom but wouldn't get specific about them possibly trading Ron, of course.

SacKingZZZ · Post #77 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 3:09 am

Another thing about the Odom talk is maybe it will generate some buzz about Ron's relative worth. Maybe the Odom talk could convince another team in the West to fork over some youth and expirings.

shortodom · Post #78 » by **shortodom** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 4:06 am

Looks like he really likes Odom

Joe Maloof Interviewed, Interested In Dealing With Lakers, Likes Lamar

Joe Maloof was recently interviewed. Some very interesting stuff from the interview. I get the vibe he is very interested in dealing with Lakers and called Odom a “great" player while referring to Artest as a “good" player.

Here are some key quotes from Joe, from the interview:

“Well you know they’ve called. They’ve called, and I think our GM Geoff has spoken to them (the Lakers) in the past regarding Ron. There a lot of teams that really have an interest in him."

“Odom is a great player, Artest is a good player. That’s, that’s as much as I can say right now."

“The Buss family does a great job. But, umm, if this, if this is gonna help us improve our team, and we think this will get us closer to a title, we will do a trade with any team. It doesn’t matter."

You can check out some the trancscripts of the interview provided by SacTownRoyalty. Sound off!

http://thelakersnation.com/blog/2008/07 ... likes-odo/

rpa · Post #79 » by **rpa** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 4:33 am

Problem is the Maloofs aren't making the deals, Petrie is. The Maloofs learned last year what happens when they try to make a decision on their own: they hired Eric Mussellman. He was so terrible the Kings fired him with a lot of money left on his contract. In fact, it was a $5mil mistake on the Maloofs' part.

Also, the comparison may have more to do with the Maloofs souring on Artest than loving Odom.

Either way, it's my feeling that Odom doesn't make 1 bit of sense for the Kings to trade for from any perspective; be it short term, long term, or financially.

SacKingZZZ · Post #80 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 7:24 am

Well I heard the interview and the way Joe said it is way different than it looks in print. If anything it sounded like we wasn't all that focused on it and didn't sound all that into a deal for Odom IMO. He was just complimenting both players and that's how it came out. He wasn't saying Odom is better than Ron or anything like that. He was just talking quickly and trying to get his sentence out while the radio guy kept blabbing in between his words.